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Ziggy Stardust said:
You must not be familiar with Quick's resume if you think the decision to make him starter is only based on 40 minutes. What the hell makes Schneider the better puck stopper? Didn't seem to demonstrate that today now did he?
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If he's like any other Devils fan, I would guess he's talking about save percentage. Nothing else, just save percentage, for that is the only mark of a puck stopper.

In all seriousness. We have seen all 3 American goalies on the roster plays two periods against the same team, the tournament favorite no less. Based on this data and the fact that Quick plays better when he faces more shots(like many), he should be the starter. You can't go wrong with any of the three in most games, but when Canada's bringing it, the most likely to be able to withstand that barrage is Quick. Quick starter, Bishop backup, Schneider 3rd.
 
GrkFlyersFan said:
If he's like any other Devils fan, I would guess he's talking about save percentage. Nothing else, just save percentage, for that is the only mark of a puck stopper.

In all seriousness. We have seen all 3 American goalies on the roster plays two periods against the same team, the tournament favorite no less. Based on this data and the fact that Quick plays better when he faces more shots(like many), he should be the starter. You can't go wrong with any of the three in most games, but when Canada's bringing it, the most likely to be able to withstand that barrage is Quick. Quick starter, Bishop backup, Schneider 3rd.
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Perfectly summarized. I'll give credit to Schneider though, he has the best looking goal pads among the three.
 
Looked at the possession numbers and Team USA's top line got destroyed. Pavelski and Kane need to be a lot better. Kesler was brutal. Stepan, JVR and Oshie were their best forwards. I think JVR would be the ideal guy next to Pavelski and Kane on the top line. He's really good around the net and is used to playing fast skillful players. Parise was pretty bad tonight. Prefer him more on the third line.
How I would do the lines when the tournament starts:

JVR-Pavelski-Kane
Pacioretty-Stepan-Wheeler
Parise-Backes-Oshie
Dubinsky-Kesler-Palmieri
 
JTD said:
It will never happen cause Torts, but Jack Johnson really should be scratched in the tournament. Got worked a few times including on one of Canada's goals and he never possesses the puck. Him and Abdelkader should be scratched for group play but it's not gonna happen
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I have never understood USA hockey obsession with him, hell i'd even argue they hurt his career by letting him do whatever he wanted when he was developing as a prospect. it's like they view him as a great player while the rest of us see him for what he is
 
Martyros said:
Could be worse....Dustin Brown could've been on the team.
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With the style of play Lombardi put together I'm surprised he wasn't chosen. His numbers are down the last 4 years but this team isn't built with skill and tempo in mind.

I'd definitely have to say this team hurt badly with the choice of having team North America. I'm cheering for the young guns to win this tourney just to stick it to Bettman and his cronies for going with the U24 team. Is supposed to be a one time team make up. I don't know why they even thought of it and then went with it.
 
All 3 are great Goalies.... but I'd prefer Quick in net.


When you're playing teams like Russia and Canada who have immense skill and move the puck so fast...you want a Goalie who moves from post to post and recovers..well..quick.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
You must not be familiar with Quick's resume if you think the decision to make him starter is only based on 40 minutes. What the hell makes Schneider the better luck stopper? Didn't seem to demonstrate that today now did he?
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http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-goalies-all-time-save-percentage-leaders.html

This is a good place to start. Schneider has stopped the highest percentage of shots thrown his way out of any active goalie. Quick is all the way down at 13th. I mean, it's not even close. Schneider's save percentage is also deflated since NJ has been known to undercount shots at home, so it should be higher.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/status/702578281212731392

Quick faces the 2nd easiest shots (Rinne is first) in the league. Schneider faces some of the most difficult shots. The AVERAGE shot Schneider faces is 6 feet closer than the average one Quick faces.

Quick is a fine goalie who is obviously very talented. But he plays on a possession juggernaut who dominate games from start to finish. I'm not taking away some of his performances in the playoffs (2012,2013) but in 4 of his 6 playoff seasons, he has been average-garbage. Any NHL goalie is capable of putting together incredible streaks as we've seen with Ward, Giguere, Halak, etc. Quick is who he is. A slightly above average puck stopper who elevates his play at times as everyone else does. He isn't consistently excellent like Schneider is. He just isnt
 
SMantzas said:
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-goalies-all-time-save-percentage-leaders.html

This is a good place to start. Schneider has stopped the highest percentage of shots thrown his way out of any active goalie. Quick is all the way down at 13th. I mean, it's not even close. Schneider's save percentage is also deflated since NJ has been known to undercount shots at home, so it should be higher.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/status/702578281212731392

Quick faces the 2nd easiest shots (Rinne is first) in the league. Schneider faces some of the most difficult shots. The AVERAGE shot Schneider faces is 6 feet closer than the average one Quick faces.

Quick is a fine goalie who is obviously very talented. But he plays on a possession juggernaut who dominate games from start to finish. I'm not taking away some of his performances in the playoffs (2012,2013) but in 4 of his 6 playoff seasons, he has been average-garbage. Any NHL goalie is capable of putting together incredible streaks as we've seen with Ward, Giguere, Halak, etc. Quick is who he is. A slightly above average puck stopper who elevates his play at times as everyone else does. He isn't consistently excellent like Schneider is. He just isnt
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This. Overrated
 
SMantzas said:
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-goalies-all-time-save-percentage-leaders.html

This is a good place to start. Schneider has stopped the highest percentage of shots thrown his way out of any active goalie. Quick is all the way down at 13th. I mean, it's not even close. Schneider's save percentage is also deflated since NJ has been known to undercount shots at home, so it should be higher.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/status/702578281212731392

Quick faces the 2nd easiest shots (Rinne is first) in the league. Schneider faces some of the most difficult shots. The AVERAGE shot Schneider faces is 6 feet closer than the average one Quick faces.

Quick is a fine goalie who is obviously very talented. But he plays on a possession juggernaut who dominate games from start to finish. I'm not taking away some of his performances in the playoffs (2012,2013) but in 4 of his 6 playoff seasons, he has been average-garbage. Any NHL goalie is capable of putting together incredible streaks as we've seen with Ward, Giguere, Halak, etc. Quick is who he is. A slightly above average puck stopper who elevates his play at times as everyone else does. He isn't consistently excellent like Schneider is. He just isnt
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I feel like you just wasted way too much of your time.

Anyone with a sense of the game could tell that Quick is obviously superior goalie after those 2 games. It's not even that Schneider let in more goals... Quick just looks more in form, ready to go.

It should be Quick going forward, no question in my mind.
 
Carlzner said:
I feel like you just wasted way too much of your time.

Anyone with a sense of the game could tell that Quick is obviously superior goalie after those 2 games. It's not even that Schneider let in more goals... Quick just looks more in form, ready to go.

It should be Quick going forward, no question in my mind.
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Took me like 5 minutes. Basing your opinion on 40 minutes is an indictment on you, not me
 
SMantzas said:
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-goalies-all-time-save-percentage-leaders.html

This is a good place to start. Schneider has stopped the highest percentage of shots thrown his way out of any active goalie. Quick is all the way down at 13th. I mean, it's not even close. Schneider's save percentage is also deflated since NJ has been known to undercount shots at home, so it should be higher.

Then there's this:

https://twitter.com/seantierneytss/status/702578281212731392

Quick faces the 2nd easiest shots (Rinne is first) in the league. Schneider faces some of the most difficult shots. The AVERAGE shot Schneider faces is 6 feet closer than the average one Quick faces.

Quick is a fine goalie who is obviously very talented. But he plays on a possession juggernaut who dominate games from start to finish. I'm not taking away some of his performances in the playoffs (2012,2013) but in 4 of his 6 playoff seasons, he has been average-garbage. Any NHL goalie is capable of putting together incredible streaks as we've seen with Ward, Giguere, Halak, etc. Quick is who he is. A slightly above average puck stopper who elevates his play at times as everyone else does. He isn't consistently excellent like Schneider is. He just isnt
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This completely ignores rebound control. Any goalie with the ability to control rebounds is going to have a higher average shot distance than one who is incapable of either corralling shots or kicking the rebound into a corner.

If you take a shot from 40 feet against a goalie who smothers the puck and or kicks it into the corner its going to be an average shot distance of 40 feet.

If you take a shot from 40 feet against a goalie who kicks it out 2 feet for a jam opportunity against the pads its going to be an average shot distance of 21 feet.
 
redcard said:
This completely ignores rebound control. Any goalie with the ability to control rebounds is going to have a higher average shot distance than one who is incapable of either corralling shots or kicking the rebound into a corner.

If you take a shot from 40 feet against a goalie who smothers the puck and or kicks it into the corner its going to be an average shot distance of 40 feet.

If you take a shot from 40 feet against a goalie who kicks it out 2 feet for a jam opportunity against the pads its going to be an average shot distance of 21 feet.
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The onus is on you to prove one has better rebound control over another
 
SMantzas said:
The onus is on you to prove one has better rebound control over another
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Lol, nope. I made no comment on either goaltender. I don't watch Schneider play enough to make an informed decision on the two. I've seen him far more times in a green and blue jersey than in a red one.

You're the one claiming that average shot distance makes Quick a "slightly above average" goaltender while completely ignoring that a goaltender can greatly impact that average shot distance themselves by simply controlling a rebound.
 
Since someone here loves to solely focus on the save percentages, do explain why Quick outshone Schneider through the same amount of playing time against the same opponent?

And how about you compare the quality of shots and saves both goalies had to make in that time? I'm sure you'll be impartial in doing so.
 
SMantzas said:
Took me like 5 minutes. Basing your opinion on 40 minutes is an indictment on you, not me
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What does career save percentage have to do with who is more in form right now? when the game resumed for most of these guys 4-5 months after the regular season ended.... the 40 minutes says more about the player than how well they have done in the past.
 
Martyros said:
What does career save percentage have to do with who is more in form right now? when the game resumed for most of these guys 4-5 months after the regular season ended.... the 40 minutes says more about the player than how well they have done in the past.
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You're right. But at the same time, 40 minutes is not enough of a sample either to say definitively Quick is definitely gonna put up the best results here. Goalies go through great stretches, not so great stretches, and bad ones. 40 minutes of play for each is not enough to say for sure who's THE guy right now. They don't have much more to work with, so past history is gonna play a role, but if their mindset was on Quick to begin with, they're probably sticking with him.
 
Picking who is going to be the goalie for team U.S.A is a wonderful problem to have. All 3 guys are capable of winning it all for them.
 
SMantzas said:
Took me like 5 minutes. Basing your opinion on 40 minutes is an indictment on you, not me
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Schiender is a great goalie no doubt. Yeah he's also only played in just over 200 games in his 6 seasons in the league minus 2 games in like 2009/10. So its a bit of cherry picking based upon the workload. Sadly for him he was robbed of a good 3-4 full years of being a full time starter under different circumstances.
 
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