World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Finland

[jfc64]

The trouble with selecting Laine is that he is still a potential liability 5v5, he's not used to playing on small ice (consistently), he's not yet shown he can score against the big countries. When all the teams are very good, his learning curve would have to be very steep to ensure he brings more positives than negatives to the team. Even at Worlds level he's been one of the "worst" players on the team...outside of the offensive flashes, which however can be game-changing. The trouble with assessing that is then of course that a huge summer training-wise can make him a monster by the beginning of fall, but he has had not time to showcase where he is at when World Cup selections are made...

Agree completely. Jessup should go as no. 1 instead.

 

[Lapa]

Try again. Teräväinen was picked among those 16 as well.

The sad fact is that there are three forward spots left, and since one is going to Haula with 100% certainty, you can't have all three of Laine, Aho and Rantanen on this team.

Well ****.

I saw Teräväinen as the odd man out. I don't see them dropping Laine or Aho, so I bet Rantanen is out in that case.

 

[JJTT]

Laine - Barkov - Jokinen
MG - Koivu - Donskoi
Aho - Filppula - Teräväinen
Salomäki - Lehterä - Komarov
Korpikoski/Haula

Määttä-Ristolainen
Jokipakka-Vatanen
Lindell-Pokka
Lepistö

Rask
Rinne

Without Laine/Aho

Jokinen - Barkov - Donskoi
MG - Koivu - Komarov
Lehterä - Filppula - Teräväinen
Korpikoski - Haula - Salomäki

 

[BusQuets]

Surprising amount of Maatta on the top-6 because at the moment he's being outplayed by Schultz and other Pens' defensemen who are not that good.

 

[mattihp]

Surprising amount of Maatta on the top-6 because at the moment he's being outplayed by Schultz and other Pens' defensemen who are not that good.

Määttä is the only finn of those though. We can't pick them.

 

[BusQuets]

Määttä is the only finn of those though. We can't pick them.

The point being that he's being outplayed by defencemen who some of them wouldn't even make the current WHC team let alone World cup team.

 

[mattihp]

The point being that he's being outplayed by defencemen who some of them wouldn't even make the current WHC team let alone World cup team.

Well. Of course they wouldn't. They aren't finnish.

Määttä will come back. And it is not like we have loads of NHL defensemen.

 

[BusQuets]

Well. Of course they wouldn't. They aren't finnish.

Määttä will come back. And it is not like we have loads of NHL defensemen.

Even of they were Finnish and had the skill level they have they wouldn't make the Finnish national team. Just find it weird that many are placing Maatta there when the tournament is in 6 months. Right now i would hope they hadn't put Maatta's name in so early (or Lindell's for that matter).

 

[FiLe]

Laine - Barkov - Jokinen
MG - Koivu - Donskoi
Aho - Filppula - Teräväinen
Salomäki - Lehterä - Komarov
Korpikoski/Haula

This one's not working either. The roster limit is 23, not 25, so there's no room for 14 forwards. If we again assume that Haula is a lock, one of Salomäki/Laine/Aho is still too much.

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What comes to Määttä being picked, let's keep in mind that none of his current issues were evident when he was named, and same went with Lindell. And given that we had then (and have now) only four regular NHL d-men, who in the heck would you have picked in Määttä's stead with the knowledge back then? (Lindell's name could have been replaced Jokipakka.)

 

[BB88]

Korpikoski pick was the only pick I had a problem with at the time and right now it's really not looking like a great pick at all.

Laine has to be on the team, you don't lead team Finland in scoring and not get picked, he has an offseason ahead of him, he can develop a lot during that time.

 

[mattihp]

Even of they were Finnish and had the skill level they have they wouldn't make the Finnish national team. Just find it weird that many are placing Maatta there when the tournament is in 6 months. Right now i would hope they hadn't put Maatta's name in so early (or Lindell's for that matter).

If Schultz was a lefty and finnish you would see him on one of the two top pairings, no doubt.

These kind of players thrive under the finnish system. Sometimes even Hietanen only looks two or three notches below NHL defensemen....

 

[BusQuets]

If Schultz was a lefty and finnish you would see him on one of the two top pairings, no doubt.

These kind of players thrive under the finnish system. Sometimes even Hietanen only looks two or three notches below NHL defensemen....

Schultz didn't even make it in Edmonton. He wouldn't be on the Finnish team let alone near the top pairing. The reason why Hietanen looks good is not because he's good puck moving and skating defenseman but rather Hietanen is excellent positionally on the defensive zone. Something that Schultz will probably never be. Also Hietanen has played a lot with Lepisto who makes his partners look better than they are.

 

[mattihp]

Hietanen is excellent positionally on the defensive zone.

Hietanen should find this, print it and frame it.

 

[GranlundMagic]

Can't believe someone wants Lindell top6 after this tournament. Can't believe that someone likes to keep Laine-Barkov-Jokinen together after this tournament either. They couldn't do anything 5v5 and Jokinen kept losing pucks all the time + Laine had to play wrong wing because of him.

I'd try something like this:

Granlund-Koivu-Filppula
Laine-Barkov-Donskoi
Aho-Lehterä-Teräväinen
Jokinen-Haula-Komarov
Korpikoski

Määttä-Ristolainen
Jokipakka-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
Lindell

Rinne
Rask

 

[sooni]

I'd try something like this:

Granlund-Koivu-Filppula
Laine-Barkov-Donskoi
Aho-Lehterä-Teräväinen
Jokinen-Haula-Komarov
Korpikoski

Määttä-Ristolainen
Jokipakka-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
Lindell

Rinne
Rask[/QUOTE]

well, well i would change Filppula/Donskoi for each other. Only reason for that is because Donskoi is really good at powerplay in the same spot where Laine stands. And ofc we should use our both right handed attackers in the different lines.

 

[DoubleGold]

What happened to Honka?

 

[Booster*]

Ain´t gonna happen but still, these lines to get the chemistry for 2018 olympics would be interesting.

Granlund-Koivu-Puljujärvi
Laine-Barkov-Aho
Jokinen-Lehterä-Donskoi
Salomäki-Haula-Komarov

 

[failedsaucerpass]

Can't believe that someone likes to keep Laine-Barkov-Jokinen together after this tournament either. They couldn't do anything 5v5 and Jokinen kept losing pucks all the time + Laine had to play wrong wing because of him.

You say Jokinen lost the puck all the time, but put no blame in Laine? Laine couldn't handle the puck for 2 seconds before fumbling it. Laine was only good for his shot, if he decided to do something else, he turned the puck over or made a bad pass.

Every goddamn time he tried to move the puck trough the neutral zone he fumbled the puck. He doesn't skate at all.

I'd be embarassed if I was the players playing in the finnish league vs Laine since he was able to dominate them while gliding.

 

[illone84]

Here is my final WC roster.


Maalivahdit

Pekka Rinne, Nashville (NHL)
Tuukka Rask, Boston (NHL)
Mikko Koskinen SKA (KHL) or Joonas Korpisalo Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL)

Puolustajat

Rasmus Ristolainen, Buffalo (NHL)
Sami Vatanen, Anaheim (NHL)
Olli Määttä, Pittsburgh (NHL)
Esa Lindell, Dallas (NHL)
Sami Lepistö Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL/NHL contract?)
Jyrki Jokipakka Calgary Flames (NHL)
Ville Pokka Chicago Blackhawks (NHL/AHL)
Topi Jaakola Jokerit (KHL)

Hyökkääjät

Aleksander Barkov, Florida (NHL)
Jussi Jokinen, Florida (NHL)
Teuvo Teräväinen, Chicago (NHL)
Mikko Koivu, Minnesota (NHL)
Leo Komarov, Toronto (NHL)
Mikael Granlund, Minnesota, NHL
Valtteri Filppula, Tampa Bay (NHL)
Jori Lehterä, St. Louis (NHL)
Joonas Donskoi, San Jose (NHL)
Lauri Korpikoski, Edmonton (NHL)
Patrik Laine Winnipeg? Tappara (Liiga/NHL)
Mikko Rantanen Colorado Avalanche (AHL/NHL)
Erik Haula Minnesota (NHL)

 

[BB88]

Can't believe someone wants Lindell top6 after this tournament. Can't believe that someone likes to keep Laine-Barkov-Jokinen together after this tournament either. They couldn't do anything 5v5 and Jokinen kept losing pucks all the time + Laine had to play wrong wing because of him.

I'd try something like this:

Granlund-Koivu-Filppula
Laine-Barkov-Donskoi
Aho-Lehterä-Teräväinen
Jokinen-Haula-Komarov
Korpikoski

Määttä-Ristolainen
Jokipakka-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
Lindell

Rinne
Rask

You need to remember that this tourney will be played on a different ice, and Jokinen is a different player in the NHL.
But yes I'd like to see Laine on the Lw side and would prefer someone else on the Rw side.
Hell no to the idea of Jokinen-Barkov-Laine.

 

[FiLe]

Rasmus Ristolainen, Buffalo (NHL)
Sami Vatanen, Anaheim (NHL)
Olli Määttä, Pittsburgh (NHL)
Esa Lindell, Dallas (NHL)
Sami Lepistö Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL/NHL contract?)
Jyrki Jokipakka Calgary Flames (NHL)
Ville Pokka Chicago Blackhawks (NHL/AHL)
Topi Jaakola Jokerit (KHL)

One d-man too many. For the umpteenth time, the roster limit is 23, so likely 13+7+3. (I doubt Marjamäki goes with 12+8.)

 

[illone84]

One d-man too many. For the umpteenth time, the roster limit is 23, so likely 13+7+3. (I doubt Marjamäki goes with 12+8.)

Cut Topi Jaakola

 

[JTD]

Can't believe someone wants Lindell top6 after this tournament. Can't believe that someone likes to keep Laine-Barkov-Jokinen together after this tournament either. They couldn't do anything 5v5 and Jokinen kept losing pucks all the time + Laine had to play wrong wing because of him.

I'd try something like this:

Granlund-Koivu-Filppula
Laine-Barkov-Donskoi
Aho-Lehterä-Teräväinen
Jokinen-Haula-Komarov
Korpikoski

Määttä-Ristolainen
Jokipakka-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
Lindell

Rinne
Rask

I've seen a lot of comments from Finns critical of Jokinen's play and that's crazy to me. He was a PPG player at the Worlds and he was their best possession forward by a significant margin. He may not have always handled passes in offensive zone the best possible way but he drove play, helped get his teammates in position to make plays and helped stymie opposing forwards. He's not a big goal scorer but very underrated

 

[GranlundMagic]

You say Jokinen lost the puck all the time, but put no blame in Laine? Laine couldn't handle the puck for 2 seconds before fumbling it. Laine was only good for his shot, if he decided to do something else, he turned the puck over or made a bad pass.

Every goddamn time he tried to move the puck trough the neutral zone he fumbled the puck. He doesn't skate at all.

I'd be embarassed if I was the players playing in the finnish league vs Laine since he was able to dominate them while gliding.

I agree with you 100%. The reason I cut some slack for Laine is he played wrong wing and Jokinen didn't. He would be so much better player on LW. I think that line would have needed Laine on LW and some playmaker with speed on RW and it would have been very good.

 

[Periwinkle]

I really don't get the constant Jussi Jokinen criticism either. The line of Jokinen-Barkov-Laine didn't work most of the time, but it wasn't because Jokinen "lost pucks" all the time (seriously, what?). Jokinen and Laine didn't suit together, they clearly had issues finding chemistry/passing to each other, probably because they are both LW of which one was forced to play his off-wing but often somehow ended up on the left side anyway, both are goal-scorer types who want the center's feeds.

Maybe something like

Rask
Rinne
Koskinen

Jokinen-Koivu -Granlund
Lehterä-Barkov -Donskoi
Komarov-Filppula-Teräväinen
Korpikoski-Haula-Rantanen
Laine (13th forward/PP specialist risk pick banking on his development during summer, though I am not surprised if he isn't picked at all)


Maatta
Ristolainen
Vatanen
Lindell
Lepistö
Jaakola
7th D: Lindbohm or Jokipakka, basically a stay-at-home guy used to NA ice