Unstoppable on the small ice. We might as well put them into the GMG.
On the big ice, I am not fussy on some of your picks : Getzlaf and Perry, already slow of foot, will be too old for this team and the ice surface.
World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Canada
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Unstoppable on the small ice. We might as well put them into the GMG.
On the big ice, I am not fussy on some of your picks : Getzlaf and Perry, already slow of foot, will be too old for this team and the ice surface.
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The U.S. will be fine (more than fine) on defense and in goal. The forward group will probably change a fair amount-certainly by 2018. A lot of the potential forward additions are talented but not as proven as their Canadian counterparts. Forwards that I think will be in the mix for 2016/18:
Kane
Wheeler
Brown
Kesler
Backes
Oshie
Saad
Stastny
Pavelski
Bennett (Beau)
Callahan
Johnson (Tyler)
Pacioretty
Galchenyuk
Parise
Coyle (Charlie)
Pominville
Stepan
Kreider
Smith (Craig)
Ryan
Kessel
JVR
Okposo
Gaudreau
Bjugstad
Eichel
Samuelsson (Henrik)
For Tavares, him having Carter on his wing would be very beneficial. Carter is a shoot-first type of player, which I think complements Tavares very well. For instance, at the Island, Tavares exploded when Vanek was put in beside him, whether Tavares was a passer or a shooter. Maybe that was due to chemistry, but I think a big part of that was because Vanek was a goal-scorer. Another player that I think could work well with Tavares would be someone like Ryan Johansen, the guy does everything it seems (can do the dirty work, is a great passer, and is also a goal-scorer). I think Ryan Johansen will be on the roster for either 2016/2018, if not both. The guy is emerging as a superstar and will only improve in the upcoming years.
The 2014 (up front) roster is still young enough to play in 2016 - if there is a 2016. The U.S. will be favoured against every team, not named Canada, on the small ice at the World Cup.
Big changes (up front) for the U.S. in 2018 and I believe those changes will be a step down from 2014. If the U.S. doesn't make those changes, you may see a team similar to the 2004 World Cup - an offensive challenged team, well past its prime. If they do make the changes, you will see a less talented team (compared to 2014), of young players.
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You aren't wrong about the defence and goaltending, but that list shows the problem for USA going forward. Many good complimentary players, but very weak at centre and a dearth of creators outside of Kane and Kessel. It will be important for American forward prospects in the next few drafts (looking good) to pan out.
Thanks, I find that Carter works well in theory with many players. Johansen is an interesting player. If he develops on last year, he will definitely be in the mix for future tournaments. He brings a few interesting elements potentially to Canada. He shoots right, which is less common among potential team Canada forwards. More importantly, he brings size. Most of the elite forwards that Canada might bring to future tournaments are around 6'0 200 or less. Johansen is listed at 6'3, 223 already. If he can bring extra size (could be missing with players like Carter, Marleau and Getzlaf potentially missing) while giving nothing away in terms of skill, that's a very useful addition to Canada.
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Canada is going to have a pretty big talent advantage over every team going into any best on best between now and four years from now, at the very least. That does not guarantee anything in a single game elimination tournament though.
Of course that doesn't guarantee anything but the way we played these Olympics, I'm confident we'll win gold.
If Hall breaks out I would love to see him on Crosby's wing. The speed, shooting ability would fit perfectly.Coming from an oilers fan I would love to see the magic a hall-crosby-stamkos line would put up! Hall put up 80 points this year with a developing center (RNH) imagine what he could do with an elite center with him
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I have real doubts that Hall has the hockey IQ to mesh well with a player like Crosby... imo, I'd prefer to see Hall with a predominately pass first center.... although I'm not seeing any natural fit for Hall on the NT so far, Hall Tavares Giroux would be a line I'd look to first before anything else.
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I looked at it one-sided, only at the rush. Possession in the offensive zone would be hard to imagine if Hall was with Crosby so I can understand why he wouldn't be on that line. Guys like Benn, Bergeron, Carter, MacKinnon are some players I could see doing well with Crosby.
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Maybe...but for me when it comes to Hall, even though I'm a fan, I have some doubts as to whether or not he can be an effective international player. I have him on the World Cup team in 2016 (if there is one) but I'm not convinced yet he can succeed on that level.
I think Hall could possibly be on the PP with Crosby and Stamkos. The Hall-Tavares-Giroux line doesn't sound bad, but my philosophy would be to have a bit of physical and defensive element on each line. I do think that MacKinnon will make the 2016 team and I also think that only one of Duchene/Hall will make it.
With that, this is one of the possible rosters:
Jamie Benn - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
Eric Staal - Claude Giroux - Nathan MacKinnon
John Tavares - Jonathan Toews - Jeff Carter
Taylor Hall - Ryan Getzlaf - Corey Perry
Patrice Bergeron
PP's: Hall - Crosby - Stamkos; Tavares - Giroux - MacKinnon; Benn - Getzlaf - Perry; E.Staal - Toews - Carter
PK: Toews - Carter; Bergeron - Benn; E.Staal - Getzlaf
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re: Hall. We'll see soon enough I suppose. Until he proves he can do it on the international level, I have my doubts.
And Eric Staal? Even though I'm a big Staal family fan, I'll give Eric the same treatment as I did to both Getzlaf and Perry in the year leading up to the Olympics, unless Eric's game picks up and picks up significantly, he doesn't get a roster spot. for now! I'm expecting him to have a bounce back year...but if he doesn't, then I'm afraid his days with the NT are over.
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From neutral point of view:
Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
John Tavares - Jonathan Toews - Nathan MacKinnon
Jamie Benn - Ryan Getzlaf - Tyler Seguin
Matt Duchene - Logan Couture - Claude Giroux
Duncan Keith - Shea Weber
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Drew Doughty
P.K. Subban - Alex Pietrangelo
Carey Price
Jonathan Bernier
Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
John Tavares - Jonathan Toews - Nathan MacKinnon
Jamie Benn - Ryan Getzlaf - Tyler Seguin
Matt Duchene - Logan Couture - Claude Giroux
Duncan Keith - Shea Weber
Marc-Edouard Vlasic - Drew Doughty
P.K. Subban - Alex Pietrangelo
Carey Price
Jonathan Bernier
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I think that Eric Staal is going to be hard pressed to make any Canadian rosters over Matt Duchene from this point on.
I'm higher on Hall than most, but it really would be nice to see him play and succeed internationally. Of course he had a golden opportunity this past WC, but he blew that. Lack of international success does not preclude him from making real editions of team Canada, but he certainly isn't doing himself any favours in terms of selection.
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Not to pile on Staal, as he's a player I've always respected and enjoyed watching, but his future with Team Canada doesn't look promising if he stays in Carolina. He's probably the one player in the league right now who would benefit the most from a change in scenery. In all honesty I think Hockey Canada has turned the page on him and Jordan.
I personally think Hall has a great shot at making a 2016 WC team (if there is a WC), even without the international experience. That lack of experience most likely cost him a chance at a roster spot in 2014, as compared to, say, Duchene, Hall lacked that experience on international ice and didn't perform very well when he did play at the Worlds in 2013. A 2016 WC would be played on NHL-sized ice, and while the ability to play on the larger ice surface was a key consideration in putting together the 2014 roster (Duchene, Nash), it won't be a significant consideration in 2016. Of course the coaching staff, resulting philosophies, and overall team makeup will have a huge impact on who gets selected and who doesn't.
From the 2014 team we'll almost certainly lose Kunitz (LW), Marleau (LW), Sharp (LW), Nash (RW/LW), and St. Louis (RW). Not to mention Perry, Bergeron, and Carter, whose games may begin deteriorating by that point but will probably be given the benefit of the doubt until then based on past service. At the natural wing position, Hall is clearly our best option right now to fill any of those LW spots, with Stamkos the only "lock" at RW. Hall/Benn will be our best two natural LWers by that point, if they already aren't, and the other guys who'll be fighting for roster spots are largely centermen who can play the wing if necessary (Giroux, Seguin, Couture), have no proven ability to play the wing (Johansen), or are young guys who have some work to do to crack the squad (MacKinnon, Nugent-Hopkins). And of course the Eberle's, O'Reilly's, etc, etc who'll get a good look. All to say, I think Hall has a great shot.
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Hall has a good shot, but forward spots fill up for Canada pretty quickly. If they go with a more defensive minded coach, I wouldn't be shocked to see Hall (exaggerated negative defensive reputation, no playoff experience at all) left off. We can assume that Benn takes one of the LW spots. HC also seems willing to move Duchene to LW, and he is a good bet to make future teams. Stamkos can play LW. Couture, O'Reilly, Schwartz might be attractive LW options for a defensive minded coach. I would pick Hall and my expectation is that he would be selected for a 2016 World Cup team, but he still very likely needs to add to his case. Giroux was cut from the 2014 team dspite being regarded as a top ten player in hockey, while Hall was cut despite already being Canada's best LW.
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Yeah, he definitely does need to add to his resume. My personal view is that the circumstances around the 2014 roster were a bit different than they will be in 2016 given the consideration that needed to be given to the ice surface (where Hall had limited/disapppointing experience), and while I think he has a great chance at 2016, we need to take a step back and see where he fits on the forward group. Like you said, a defensive-minded coaching (say, a Julien or Babcock, if he returns) might prefer one of those three guys you mentioned (Couture would, IMO, be a great replacement for Marleau on the de facto checking line with Toews & Carter), but I've gotta think there is room for a player of his quality somewhere on the team, even if its lower in the depth chart than people are currently imagining. We'll have to see; and, like always, there will be surprises.
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There are a lot of phrases that will be familiar to fans of Hockey Canada being used in this article about the new Brazilian soccer head coach. It just goes to show the pressure players and management feel when being part of a national team that remains a consistent favorite in every event.
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2016
Benn – Crosby – Seguin
Hall – Tavares – Stamkos
Duchene – Toews – Giroux
Bergeron/Couture – Getzlaf – Perry
Mackinnon
Keith – Weber
Doughty – Pietrangelo
Vlasic – Subban
Giordano
Price
Bernier
Smith
Benn – Crosby – Seguin
Hall – Tavares – Stamkos
Duchene – Toews – Giroux
Bergeron/Couture – Getzlaf – Perry
Mackinnon
Keith – Weber
Doughty – Pietrangelo
Vlasic – Subban
Giordano
Price
Bernier
Smith
Agree. In our defense, the gap between Canada and the other countries will widen between now and 2018.
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2016 Roster:
Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Benn - Giroux - Seguin
MacKinnon - Tavares - Carter
Couture - Toews - Johansen
Getzlaf, Bergeron
Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Pietrangelo - Subban
Staal
Price
Crawford
Smith
Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Benn - Giroux - Seguin
MacKinnon - Tavares - Carter
Couture - Toews - Johansen
Getzlaf, Bergeron
Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Pietrangelo - Subban
Staal
Price
Crawford
Smith
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(2018) I'll make a bold prediction, in 4 years Mackinnon might be superior to Crosby(depending how much more physical toll he will endure in 4 years). There, I have said it. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't mean much for the team overall composition. We have made the mistake of going with experience before on international stages, while these tournaments are all about who is hot and who is not. Crosby was already not the best player on the ice in 2014(Toews), I suspect that Tavares and Mackinnon might surpass him in their prime.
Drouin - Mackinnon - Stamkos
Hall - Crosby - Tavares
Couture/Duchene - Toews - Carter
Benn - Bergeron - Perry
Huberdeau - Seguin
Notice the Drouin - Stamkos duo...yeah.
Huberdeau, Drouin, RNH, even McDavid might be new contenders, Huberdeau will be 25, Drouin 23, McDavid if he plays in the same kind of fashion as Crosby when he started at 18. That being said, he's really on the outside since there is more talent nowadays vs. when Crosby arrived.
On D, I don't believe in Keith in 4 years, but he will be there in case of injuries
Vlasic- Doughty
Subban - Pietrangelo
Rielly - Weber
Keith - Hamilton
Hopefully Ryan Murray and G. Reinhart are good enough to be talked about. (I could see Murray making Pietrangelo expandable if the Murray - Subban pair becomes a reality) Ekblad will have to wait for his turn at RD. Staal is a possibility if we need a shutdown. (Doubt it, all of these guys are good two-way players)
Subban is the one right shooter than could play on the left imo. He will bring too much to the table to ignore him at that point.
Drouin - Mackinnon - Stamkos
Hall - Crosby - Tavares
Couture/Duchene - Toews - Carter
Benn - Bergeron - Perry
Huberdeau - Seguin
Notice the Drouin - Stamkos duo...yeah.
Huberdeau, Drouin, RNH, even McDavid might be new contenders, Huberdeau will be 25, Drouin 23, McDavid if he plays in the same kind of fashion as Crosby when he started at 18. That being said, he's really on the outside since there is more talent nowadays vs. when Crosby arrived.
On D, I don't believe in Keith in 4 years, but he will be there in case of injuries
Vlasic- Doughty
Subban - Pietrangelo
Rielly - Weber
Keith - Hamilton
Hopefully Ryan Murray and G. Reinhart are good enough to be talked about. (I could see Murray making Pietrangelo expandable if the Murray - Subban pair becomes a reality) Ekblad will have to wait for his turn at RD. Staal is a possibility if we need a shutdown. (Doubt it, all of these guys are good two-way players)
Subban is the one right shooter than could play on the left imo. He will bring too much to the table to ignore him at that point.
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