World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Canada (Part II)

[Coach Parker]

What facts do I have to check?

I said I didn't want him on the team there is no facts in that statement just opinion.

Marchand is a POS who isn't all that talented. He doesn't bring anything to the Canadian team and is much more likely to hurt the team with a stupid penalty than anything else.

There are a lot much more talented players to choose from so why waste a spot on a lesser talented, stupid player who is happier to take a major penalty in a key point in the game than to help the team win?

Disagree. WJC Championships, Stanley Cups and simple stats on ES and PK prove otherwise.

Facts are, Brad Marchand ES and PK is better than a lot of names being tossed around here. Oh look Marchand just passed Tarasenko for goals in the NHL in 4 less games and now leads the entire NHL for SH points, with 8 less games than Toews. He is also only one goal behind Benn for being the highest scoring Canadian winger and 2 behind Seguin for goals at any position.

4th line LW, PK specialist. For a guy who is only looking up at Benn for goals by Canadians, he certainly brings more than Hall and many others on that LW.

As for the Penalties, guess you better cross off Subban because of his PIM's right there with Marchand...

 

[moon*]

Disagree. WJC Championships, Stanley Cups and simple stats on ES and PK prove otherwise.

Facts are, Brad Marchand ES and PK is better than a lot of names being tossed around here. Oh look Marchand just passed Tarasenko for goals in the NHL in 4 less games and now leads the entire NHL for SH points, with 8 less games than Toews. He is also only one goal behind Benn for being the highest scoring Canadian winger and 2 behind Seguin for goals at any position.

4th line LW, PK specialist. For a guy who is only looking up at Benn for goals by Canadians, he certainly brings more than Hall and many others on that LW.

As for the Penalties, guess you better cross off Subban because of his PIM's right there with Marchand...

Hope we pick the team on more than ~50 games. Nice for Marchand that he is on a fluke hot streak, good thing we have a whole career to judge him on and it doesn't look good at all for him.

And Subban does not make my team at all. Not even close.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Going a bit off the board here but I liked the chemistry Crosby and Carter had at the last Olympics...

Hall - Crosby - Carter
Benn - Seguin - Stamkos
Perry - Toews - Getzlaf
Ladd - Bergeron - Marchand

O'Reilly - Tavares

Weber - Doughty
Keith - Subban
Pietrangelo - Letang

Vlasic

Price
Holtby
Luongo

Not having MacDavid and McKinnon hurt and I like Luongo as the third goalie just for experience (how often does the third netminder ever play??)

 

[leafsfuture]

Im down for Marchand on this team.

Natural winger. He can skate. He can play the PK. He has chemistry with Bergeron. I would even take him before ROR because of his skating ability.

 

[JackSlater]

Going a bit off the board here but I liked the chemistry Crosby and Carter had at the last Olympics...

Crosby and Carter were separated after one game. Carter was much more effective once he was put with Toews, and Crosby was much more effective after being put with Bergeron.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Im down for Marchand on this team.

Natural winger. He can skate. He can play the PK. He has chemistry with Bergeron. I would even take him before ROR because of his skating ability.

Ya I have zero issue with him being on the team. By WC 2016 we'll be short McDavid and MacKinnon as well as at least one injury. Marchand will be able to make the team.

 

[xxxx]

Considering all, I would have this roster right now:

Ryan O'Reilly - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
Jamie Benn - John Tavares - Tyler Seguin
Matt Duchene - Jonathan Toews - Patrice Bergeron
Taylor Hall - Claude Giroux - Corey Perry
Jeff Carter

Duncan Keith - Shea Weber
MA Vlasic - Drew Doughty
Alex Pietrangelo - P.K. Subban
Brent Burns

Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Corey Crawford

 

[Coach Parker]

Ya I have zero issue with him being on the team. By WC 2016 we'll be short McDavid and MacKinnon as well as at least one injury. Marchand will be able to make the team.

Agreed.

Right now I have him over O'Reilly, Duchene and Carter. I want a 4th line PK specialist who happens to be scoring more than all of those forwards and has won multiple WJC's and a Cup (Carter joins him in that regard.)

 

[86Habs]

Considering all, I would have this roster right now:

Ryan O'Reilly - Sidney Crosby - Steven Stamkos
Jamie Benn - John Tavares - Tyler Seguin
Matt Duchene - Jonathan Toews - Patrice Bergeron
Taylor Hall - Claude Giroux - Corey Perry
Jeff Carter

Duncan Keith - Shea Weber
MA Vlasic - Drew Doughty
Alex Pietrangelo - P.K. Subban
Brent Burns

Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Corey Crawford

Yeah, I don't really want Stamkos anywhere near the top 6 on this team. I'd only look at him as a good 13th/14th forward, PP specialist at this point. There's no reason not to have Bergeron up there with Crosby, given the chemistry they had together in Sochi, their complimentary styles of play, and their performance this year.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

As long as Mike Babcock is coaching Rick Nash will always be in the discussion. He brings out the best in him.

And if there's one position left and your looking at Marchand,O'Reilly or Nash, you know Nash has a chance.

 

[xxxx]

Yeah, I don't really want Stamkos anywhere near the top 6 on this team. I'd only look at him as a good 13th/14th forward, PP specialist at this point. There's no reason not to have Bergeron up there with Crosby, given the chemistry they had together in Sochi, their complimentary styles of play, and their performance this year.

You're right, Stamkos is no longer a lock for being in top-six. But I would still give him an opportunity to play with Sid. OR I would play him in a 4th line. The thing is, Crosby is making everyone better and Stamkos still has the skill and quality to raise above his current level if he gets a chance to play with a player like Sid.

 

[86Habs]

You're right, Stamkos is no longer a lock for being in top-six. But I would still give him an opportunity to play with Sid. OR I would play him in a 4th line. The thing is, Crosby is making everyone better and Stamkos still has the skill and quality to raise above his current level if he gets a chance to play with a player like Sid.

He might indeed get that chance, though if I were Babcock I would go with the proven chemistry (Crosby + Bergeron). I posted the lineup below about a month ago, and still think it looks good. Obviously Schwartz and Couture haven't had an opportunity to help their case this year, so the only change I'd make is to take a good, long look at Marchand in their place (call it the 14th forward role) as he is indeed having a great season and would be a useful depth player for us. I'd probably switch Perry and Stamkos, too, which would make that 4th line a stronger possession line for us.

Benn - Giroux - Seguin
Hall - Crosby - Bergeron
Duchene - Toews - Carter
O'Reilly - Tavares - Stamkos
Perry, Schwartz
(Couture, Stone)

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Pietrangelo - Subban
Giordano, Brodie

Price
Holtby
Luongo

 

[JackSlater]

Yeah, I don't really want Stamkos anywhere near the top 6 on this team. I'd only look at him as a good 13th/14th forward, PP specialist at this point. There's no reason not to have Bergeron up there with Crosby, given the chemistry they had together in Sochi, their complimentary styles of play, and their performance this year.

Stamkos will never reach his pre-injury level again, but his skillset is unique among Canadian players and I still have to think that there is a prominent role for a sniper. Probably on his off wing. I also believe that Stamkos' production would go up significantly if he wasn't being coached by Cooper.

 

[86Habs]

Stamkos will never reach his pre-injury level again, but his skillset is unique among Canadian players and I still have to think that there is a prominent role for a sniper. Probably on his off wing. I also believe that Stamkos' production would go up significantly if he wasn't being coached by Cooper.

I don't disagree, and Stamkos certainly belongs in a 13- or 14-man forward group. I'm just not sure where he's best deployed. I really like Crosby with Bergeron, and I like Toews with Carter. I thought Crosby and Hall were really good together at the Worlds last year, and would like to see them get a look together (with Bergeron). Obviously Seguin and Benn are a proven combination, with Seguin probably slotting in on the right side with either Giroux (chemistry from the Worlds) or Tavares cantering them.

In terms of playing his off-wing, I'm not sure. Babcock has demonstrated an unwillingness to do so unless they've proven themselves on their off-wing (Nash, St. Louis and Sharp come to mind). Theoretically it makes sense as it allows Stamkos to make better use of his shooting ability, but it's hard to say whether that fits into Babcock's vision of this team. We're not as deep on the left side so having Stamkos play comfortably on his off-wing would be beneficial from a flexibility standpoint.

 

[Bear12Good]

Braden Holtby,Corey Crawford,Roberto Luongo (Price)

Jamie Benn-Sidney Crosby-Tyler Seguin
Brad Marchand-Patrice Bergeron-Matt Duchene
Taylor Hall-Jonathan Toews-John Tavares
Claude Giroux-Joe Thornton-Steven Stamkos
Ryan O'Reilly

Duncan Keith-Brent Seabrook
Shea Weber-Drew Doughty
Brent Burns-Marc-Edouard Vlasic
P.K. Subban

 

[Wings13]

No particular order to the lines or pairings:

Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
Hall - Crosby - Bergeron
Seguin - Toews - Carter
Girioux - Tavares - Stamkos
Marchand

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Pietrangelo - Subban
Burns

Price
Holtby
Luongo

 

[ValeriKamensky]

My opinion on 16 players, who will be selected in roster before 1st March.

Price, Holtby

Keith, Weber, Doughty, Burns

Giroux, Crosby, Benn, Seguin, Duchene, Bergeron, Perry, Tavares, Stamcos, Toews

 

[Sonic Disturbance]

Tavares - Crosby (C) - Giroux
Benn - Toews (A) - Seguin
Stamkos - Getzlaf - Perry
O'Reilly - Bergeron - Carter
Hall

Keith - Weber (A)
Vlasic - Doughty
Giordano - Subban
Brodie - Pietrangelo

Price
Holtby
Luongo

 

[JackSlater]

My opinion on 16 players, who will be selected in roster before 1st March.

Price, Holtby

Keith, Weber, Doughty, Burns

Giroux, Crosby, Benn, Seguin, Duchene, Bergeron, Perry, Tavares, Stamcos, Toews

Those are good bets other than Burns. If they only name four defencemen, Subban would be named before him. He's having a great year but isn't a lock to make the team.

 

[xxxx]

Benn - Giroux - Seguin
Hall - Crosby - Bergeron
Duchene - Toews - Carter
O'Reilly - Tavares - Stamkos
Perry, Schwartz
(Couture, Stone)

That's a great line-up! Really. I would still like to see what would a super-line with Benn-Crosby-Seguin look like though. But giving the other teams lines like that might be even better because they wouldn't know what to do first. I mean, Tavares-Stamkos/Perry in our fourth line...

Well, you really can't go wrong here. Any combination is good.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Ryan Getzlaf will be on this team.


Giroux Crosby Bergeron
Benn Tavares Seguin
Hall Toews Carter
Nash Getzlaf Perry
Stamkos Duchene

I'm telling you now, Rick Nash is a machine with Team Canada. Mike Babcock brings out the best in him. A 6'4 skating machine who can play both ways, is irreplacable.

2018 Mackinnon and McDavid will be added.

 

[xxxx]

As far as I remember, Rick Nash has been always criminally underrated here (maybe not here, but on HF generally). He scored 42 goals last season and was the MVP of the Rangers for quite a long time and was even in NHL MVP discussion for some time. The proof of that is he finished 7th in Hart Trophy voting that year behind Price, Ovechkin, Tavares,, Dubnyk, Crosby, and Getzlaf (with 70 votes, 30 of them in TOP5), and 3rd in all-star voting among LWs (behind Ovechkin and Benn).

But the point here is, he's a great overall player, versatile and has ALWAYS delivered for Canada. I think that with players like O'Reilly or Duchene there may not be a room for him, but even if he got selected, I'm pretty confident in him.


As for Getzlaf, I love him as a player, and I hope he is on the team IF he deserves it. We'll see.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Getzy quietly playing his way back onto this team.

Considering he's been arguably Canada's best international player over his career I should hope so. If Toews, Getzlaf, Crosby and Begeron aren't the 4 C's I'll be shocked. Stamkos, Tavares, Benn ,and Seguin as top six wingers.

 

[Bear12Good]

Do you think if Panarin was Canadian , he was able to play in the national team of Canada
World Cup ?
Or is he too weak player on the Canadian standards ?

 

[JackSlater]

As far as I remember, Rick Nash has been always criminally underrated here (maybe not here, but on HF generally). He scored 42 goals last season and was the MVP of the Rangers for quite a long time and was even in NHL MVP discussion for some time. The proof of that is he finished 7th in Hart Trophy voting that year behind Price, Ovechkin, Tavares,, Dubnyk, Crosby, and Getzlaf (with 70 votes, 30 of them in TOP5), and 3rd in all-star voting among LWs (behind Ovechkin and Benn).

But the point here is, he's a great overall player, versatile and has ALWAYS delivered for Canada. I think that with players like O'Reilly or Duchene there may not be a room for him, but even if he got selected, I'm pretty confident in him.


As for Getzlaf, I love him as a player, and I hope he is on the team IF he deserves it. We'll see.

Looking at that coaching staff, I assume that they are going to want Getzlaf and Nash on the team. I can see management going with that, given how small the Canadian team would be without them and how unusual that would be for team Canada (or a mock team Canada like in this instance). I'm not sure that I would select those players at this point, but they aren't bad options.

Do you think if Panarin was Canadian , he was able to play in the national team of Canada
World Cup ?
Or is he too weak player on the Canadian standards ?

Very unlikely. It's difficult for a rookie to make it barring very special circumstances. He also doesn't really fit the typical build of the Canadian teams, which is playmakers at centre and goal scorers/defensive utility players on the wing.