WJC: 2016 WJC Division I Group B (Dec. 12-18)

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I don't think that relegation is enough for Japan here. That will not deter teams in the future.

Maybe relegation and no promotion for 3 years even if they win it. The terrorism excuse just holds no water. I highly doubt ISIS has their eye on the Div 1 B under 20's.
 
And what's so criminal about what they did in your opinion?

Nothing criminal but what basis could a team possibly have for deserting right before the tourney? What risk exists? I just don't see how they can justify this move.

They have made an absolute mess of the event by dropping it from 6 to 5 teams. Throws the schedule off for hundreds of people - on ice and off ice.

For what? What threat exists? Do they have some information that tells us ISIS is waiting to strike the Japanese team bus?

I would throw the book at them.
 
teams are allowed to not show up, they don't even need to have a reason, but if you don't have a good enough reason then you're last and relegated, they didn't so they're relegated, and that's fair, lets not act like they burned the arena to the ground here, or had some big cheating scandal. They have a right to not show up, and the IIHF have a right to relegate them if they don't, and that's the end of the story really.
 
teams are allowed to not show up, they don't even need to have a reason, but if you don't have a good enough reason then you're last and relegated, they didn't so they're relegated, and that's fair, lets not act like they burned the arena to the ground here, or had some big cheating scandal. They have a right to not show up, and the IIHF have a right to relegate them if they don't, and that's the end of the story really.

Maybe i am overstating this but how often have teams not shown up? I would imagine it is few and far between and when they don;t i would say 90% of the time it is a money/logistics issue. Maybe there is a political issue/federation issue.

Maybe more info will follow and i will accept relegation as a just punishment but we'll see if any more info comes in.
 
Maybe i am overstating this but how often have teams not shown up? I would imagine it is few and far between and when they don;t i would say 90% of the time it is a money/logistics issue. Maybe there is a political issue/federation issue.

Maybe more info will follow and i will accept relegation as a just punishment but we'll see if any more info comes in.

Its a somewhat frequent occurrence at the lower divisions, usually due to funding. Last year the Bulgarian U20 team pulled out of Division III because they couldn't afford the flights to New Zealand (with all other tournaments Bulgaria was playing in outside of Europe, they just couldn't cover everyone). And back in 2011 when Japan had to cancel because of the earthquake, both North Korea (Division IIA) and Mongolia (Division III) dropped out. Rumour was Mongolia couldn't afford it, but nothing was ever said for North Korea. The United Arab Emirates also refused to play in Division III that year because it would have meant they'd play Israel, which the UAE government doesn't allow.
 
A little surprised to see Slovenia with only 1 point in the first 2 games and last in the group, considering they were the relegated team last year. Though a look at their roster shows the 2015 team was full of 1995 players, while this year has a lot of 1997s, and so I guess this is a transition year for them. Still they are probably lucky they don't have the threat of relegation, which would be pretty bad to do in consecutive years.
 
Nothing criminal but what basis could a team possibly have for deserting right before the tourney? What risk exists? I just don't see how they can justify this move.

Deserting? Please. This is a sports competition, not a military service. If my son doesn't want to go outside today because his tummy aches is he deserting his friends? Should I find out if the ache threat to his health is real? If not, should I not let him play outside for 3 days?

Like Canada4Gold said, they don't even need a reason not to play if they don't want to. Since the benefit is mutual most of the time you want to play in the championship but if you don't, you don't. And what mess did they make? It's not like they brought 2 teams instead of 1 and now there isn't enough space to accommodate them. Somebody had to make a new schedule. That's tough.
 
Deserting? Please. This is a sports competition, not a military service. If my son doesn't want to go outside today because his tummy aches is he deserting his friends? Should I find out if the ache threat to his health is real? If not, should I not let him play outside for 3 days?

Like Canada4Gold said, they don't even need a reason not to play if they don't want to. Since the benefit is mutual most of the time you want to play in the championship but if you don't, you don't. And what mess did they make? It's not like they brought 2 teams instead of 1 and now there isn't enough space to accommodate them. Somebody had to make a new schedule. That's tough.

I slept on it and i've decided i want them jailed. jail all the players and staff. send strongly worded memo's to their family and friends..... if they knew of this plan that they may be jailed as well.

I am kidding although this is as extreme as your non reaction. Your reaction is that this is akin to deciding you don't want to go to pickup hockey today. Had a tough shift at work today, ate too many swedish berries at break time and i just want to hit the couch.

I am also going to say you have never run a major event because there is a bit more to logistics than putting five teams in a hat rather than six and make a schedule. You've sold tickets based on a certain number of games, there are officials to look after and typically hundreds of volunteers to coordinate.

I guess we just disagree on the severity of this issue - wonder if you would feel the same about Canada pulling out of the worlds juniors in Finland. "Beer is too expensive in Finland and the Americans play a little too rough. We are going home."
 
Can we please move on from that topic? It's not a big deal, although the reasoning is laughable. They get punished by an automatical relegation, that's enough.
They could also pay for the 5 hours work for the rescheduling and the ~100 not-sold tickets, doubt that will make any news.

Today, Poland faces Ukraine to see who can challenge France for promotion.
Looks like Poland had a good first game, but I couldn't watch it.
 
Can we please move on from that topic? It's not a big deal, although the reasoning is laughable. They get punished by an automatical relegation, that's enough.
They could also pay for the 5 hours work for the rescheduling and the ~100 not-sold tickets, doubt that will make any news.

Today, Poland faces Ukraine to see who can challenge France for promotion.
Looks like Poland had a good first game, but I couldn't watch it.

You know, if GB beats France today & Ukraine tomorrow, they'll hold the tie breaker over France and get promotion over them :sarcasm:

GB beat France in 2 of their last 3 meetings, with the last meeting coming in 2013-14 in GB.
 
I am kidding although this is as extreme as your non reaction. Your reaction is that this is akin to deciding you don't want to go to pickup hockey today. Had a tough shift at work today, ate too many swedish berries at break time and i just want to hit the couch.

I am also going to say you have never run a major event because there is a bit more to logistics than putting five teams in a hat rather than six and make a schedule. You've sold tickets based on a certain number of games, there are officials to look after and typically hundreds of volunteers to coordinate.

I guess we just disagree on the severity of this issue - wonder if you would feel the same about Canada pulling out of the worlds juniors in Finland. "Beer is too expensive in Finland and the Americans play a little too rough. We are going home."

1) Non-reaction would be doing nothing and welcoming Japan back to IB next year. They are, however, getting relegated. So, in my opinion, punishment fits the crime. Since there wasn't much of a crime punishment isn't much either. But it is punishment.

2) This isn't a major event. It's based in a village with population of 4000. I'm not saying Japan not being there didn't affect anyone but it's not that big of a deal. Literally all you had to do is move your schedule a little and cancel hotel reservation. You probably also need one bus less. That is all. "Ticket sales" argument is weak to say the least, considering attendance numbers organizers lost 5000 euros, at most, because Japan wasn't there. They probably saved even more on arena operating costs and similar stuff.

3) You do realize that we are talking about the tournament with ~400 average attendance here meanwhile WJC has ~10k average attendance? But sure, if Canada felt they have a good enough reason to pull out and waste 2 years by not playing and playing in IA, I would allow it.

And frankly, Canada is a great example for this whole situation. In such situation, who do you think would have more leverage, IIHF or Canada? Does Canada need IIHF more or IIHF needs Canada? Same (to an extent, obviously) with Japan, it's in IIHF's best interest to keep Japan happy and not start "throwing books at them" for no good reason.

Or, while I was writing all this swissexpert just wrote pretty much exactly the same only shorter, straight and to the point:

It's not a big deal, although the reasoning is laughable. They get punished by an automatical relegation, that's enough.
They could also pay for the 5 hours work for the rescheduling and the ~100 not-sold tickets, doubt that will make any news.
 
I don't think they even had to alter the schedule that much did they?

Whoever was supposed to play Japan on a particular day gets that day off, and they just moved all the games to face off at 3:30pm or 7pm local time. Considering the small attendances they've probably saved money by not having to resurface the ice and things like that and they probably gave the ice time to something else
 
Did anyone get to see the Poland-Ukraine match? Can't believe the Poles managed 55 shots, and that the Ukrainian goalie stopped 54 of them, and that the game nearly ended with a Ukrainian penalty shot in overtime, and finally that it was about 40 seconds away from going to a shootout.
 
The Poland France match will likely decide promotion.

If Poland wins it in regulation they promote, they'd have 8 points, Great Britain and Slovenia can only get to 7, Ukraine and France could then both get to 8 but Poland would have beaten both.

If France wins in regulation they promote, they're at 8, again Great Britain and Slovenia can only get to 7, Ukraine and Poland could still get to 8 but France would have beaten both.

If it goes to OT then everyone is potentially still alive for promotion.

But it's the last game and once we get to it it'll likely be a winner gets promoted game.
 
France takes a 5 minute major with a minute and a half to go in a tie game and Great Britain scores, assuming they hold on that makes things a lot more interesting. They're pretty much gonna have to beat Poland in regulation now you would think.
 
Well looks like France can blame Rudy Matima if they don't get promoted this year. Checking from behind with less than 2 minutes in a tied game, to give Great Britain a 5 minute powerplay is probably not the smartest thing. Would like to see video of it if it was accidental or not, but that is probably going to cost France greatly.

That's what's fun about these levels, and the not-so-new division alignment. The teams are a lot more evenly matched, and it becomes impossible to predict how the tournament will go. Makes for way better hockey overall.
 
Well looks like France can blame Rudy Matima if they don't get promoted this year. Checking from behind with less than 2 minutes in a tied game, to give Great Britain a 5 minute powerplay is probably not the smartest thing. Would like to see video of it if it was accidental or not, but that is probably going to cost France greatly.

they're still promoted if they beat Poland in regulation, which is really quite possible and perhaps likely(I'm not entirely sure but that would be the result I'd pick), but they've got no breathing room anymore.
 
Well looks like France can blame Rudy Matima if they don't get promoted this year. Checking from behind with less than 2 minutes in a tied game, to give Great Britain a 5 minute powerplay is probably not the smartest thing. Would like to see video of it if it was accidental or not, but that is probably going to cost France greatly.

That's what's fun about these levels, and the not-so-new division alignment. The teams are a lot more evenly matched, and it becomes impossible to predict how the tournament will go. Makes for way better hockey overall.

It was a horrible hit

France really lost their heads in the 3rd period, a ludicrous display of indiscipline
 
I should probably take that back, the Brits could also get to 8 by beating Ukraine tomorrow in which case France would need a 3 way tie with Poland included, but Poland beat the Brits by 6 so winning that on goal differential would be tough, would have to beat Poland by 4 and have Poland beat Slovenia.

This indeed does make it much much tougher. They'll be rooting for Ukraine to take a point tomorrow.
 
So, GB need France to beat Poland in regulation for a chance of promotion?

Nevermind, they play Slovakia first.
 
So, GB need France to beat Poland in regulation for a chance of promotion?

depends on how Poland does against Slovenia. If Slovenia were to win that then France/Poland going to OT would be a better result.

If Poland beats Slovenia in regulation I don't think you can promote so that's the more important game right now, Poland beat you by 6 so you can't beat them in a 2 way tie at 8 nor a 3 way tie with France because your goal differential in those 2 games would be a -5.
 

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