WC: 2016 Team Finland Pt. II

[Artorius Horus T]

Pihlström shouldn't be in the line up
Pyörälä very questionable

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Isn't Laine primarily a LW? Has he played alot of RW?

very rarely to never.

Jokinen is aslo LW and has played the entire season as LW
Jokinen is key player for us,no way should Laine's needs
go ahead of Jussi's needs.

Laine should play LW,but not with Jokinen and Barkov,
my choice of top 6 would of been

1) Jokinen-Barkov-Pulkkinen
2) Laine-Koivu-Granlund

 

[JJTT]

Isn't Laine primarily a LW? Has he played alot of RW?

He played mostly RW last season but has only played LW this year.

 

[Mahonkinen]

Never liked KJ, never will. Marjamäki couldnt be in charge soon enough.

 

[BusQuets]

These line combo's won't work.

1) 3 pass first players
2) Why Laine is "forced" to play with Barkov?
3) Pulkkinen not in first line?,bonkers!
4. Where the **** is Rantanen?

When Pulkkinen shows he can do something in 5on5 maybe then. Right now he shouldn't be near top2 lines.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

1 PP unit: Pulkkinen-Pokka,Jokinen-Barkov-Aho
2 PP unit: Laine-Hietanen, Koskiranta/Rantanen-Koivu-Granlund

 

[Artorius Horus T]

When Pulkkinen shows he can do something in 5on5 maybe then. Right now he shouldn't be near top2 lines.

... the H you know
Pulkkinen has been great 5 on 5

are we forgetting 5 on 5 goal versus Russia (first exhibition game)
and thats just a goal,his checking,back checking has been great,
has created tons of scoring chances and the whats been best,
his silky smooth skating,man his skating has improved a lot.

 

[sooni]

1 PP unit: Pulkkinen-Pokka,Jokinen-Barkov-Aho
2 PP unit: Laine-Hietanen, Koskiranta/Rantanen-Koivu-Granlund

and these are REAL lines for pp

Koivu - Aho - Granlund - Pulkkinen - Lindell

Komarov- Barkov - Jokinen - Laine - Hietanen

 

[FiLe]

and these are REAL lines for pp

Koivu - Aho - Granlund - Pulkkinen - Lindell

Komarov- Barkov - Jokinen - Laine - Hietanen

And there's nothing wrong with those.

 

[Gaps]

Never liked KJ, never will. Marjamäki couldnt be in charge soon enough.

I don't know about Marjamäki yet, but I admit that I'd be feeling a lot more confident if it was the other Jalonen behind the bench. But for now we've just got to hope that KJ doesn't prove to be the weakest link in this equation. He's been successful before, so it's not like he's totally incompetent.

 

[BB88]

I must say, I don't generally get a good "feel" about that Granlund-Koivu-Aho line. While they're all highly celebral players, they're still too similar as player types.

But we'll see. In the best case scenario, they prove me wrong. The worst case is that they will dazzle in the first two games vs. Belarus and Germany, and start hiccuping against USA - but KJ is by then too stubborn to mix things around, because they started things so well against those weaker countries. At the very least they should have put Pulkkinen next to Koskiranta, neither Sallinen and especially Pihlström are not the kind of players who can effectively feed him.

Oh well, at least the PP units have all the right names.

I can actually see the logic behind having Rantanen as an extra forward. After all, most coaches want all their players either playing PK, PP (or both) and Rantanen is not one exactly a penalty killing type, and as of right now does not have room in the PP units.

Barkov, Jokinen, Granlund, Koivu, Aho, Komarov, exactly how many penalty killers does one need?
Play the best players, I was hoping to see Komarov-Rantanen duo, that would have made a fantastic, trusted 4th line.

Isn't Laine primarily a LW? Has he played alot of RW?

He joked and said NHL players wins in these "fights" so he has to settle for Rw.

These line combo's won't work.

1) 3 pass first players
2) Why Laine is "forced" to play with Barkov?
3) Pulkkinen not in first line?,bonkers!
4. Where the **** is Rantanen?

Laine is not forced to play with Barkov, they should be great together, Pulkkinen isn't a 1st line player in this lineup, there are simply better players than him.

 

[FiLe]

Barkov, Jokinen, Granlund, Koivu, Aho, Komarov, exactly how many penalty killers does one need?
Play the best players, I was hoping to see Komarov-Rantanen duo, that would have made a fantastic, trusted 4th line.

One two-minute PK usually sees three pairs of forwards hit the ice, so at minimum six. Preferably seven, since the penalized player may be one of those PKers.

And Aho did not play much PK in the preliminary games, so your list is two short. Granlund would also be far from my first choices.

 

[QnebO]

There is evidence about Jokinen - Barkov not working from Florida. I'd rather Laine - Barkov - Aho, but what ever.

 

[BB88]

One two-minute PK usually sees three pairs of forwards hit the ice, so at minimum six. Preferably seven, since the penalized player may be one of those PKers.

And Aho did not play much PK in the preliminary games, so your list is two short.

So you are saying Aho killed penalties, and he was our best player agains USA, I have no problems with him killing few seconds on the penalty kill.

Barkov-Jokinen 1st unit,
Koivu-Granlund 2nd unit,
Komarov-Aho 3rd, get 10-15sec icetime on the penalty kill, you are making 3rd units role sound bigger than it is.
Often you see teams ice 2/3rds of the line for the last moments that's going to stay on the ice.

This is a miracle tourney where they have a chance to ice 4 balanced 2way lines.

There is evidence about Jokinen - Barkov not working from Florida. I'd rather Laine - Barkov - Aho, but what ever.

They worked well together this year, and made a good pk unit.

 

[FiLe]

So you are saying Aho killed penalties, and he was our best player agains USA, I have no problems with him killing few seconds on the penalty kill.

That's more than "few seconds", one PK shift lasts 40 seconds at average. So it's three pairs drawing three full PK shifts, unless a goal is conceded. And it's good to have better options than Aho and Granlund for those shifts.

In case you didn't notice, our PK vs. Russia last week, and similarly vs. USA two days ago, was pretty damn good. So replacing those guys who did it so good with two players who are more suspect at it is moronic.

 

[BB88]

That's more than "few seconds", one PK shift lasts 40 seconds at average. So it's three pairs drawing three full PK shifts. And it's good to have better options than Aho and Granlund for those.

In case you didn't notice, our PK vs. Russia last week, and similarly vs. USA two days ago, was pretty damn good. So replacing those guys who did it so good with two players who are more suspect at it is moronic.

Are you expecting top games to be like that Russian team?, that was team without NHL players, and again Aho was pretty damm good against USA.

Why wouldn't you put your best players on those situations, players that kill penalties regularly in the NHL and Aho who is a damm great all around player already, even though he is 18y.

In the NHL it's rare that 3rd unit would be killing 30-40 seconds of penalties, Komarov-Rantanen 4th line would make a lot more sense than what they are now icing.

 

[HockeyHistorian]

I must say that Aho is one of the best penalty killers I've ever seen in Liiga. Not only does he do his job defensively, but he constantly creates chances even while shorthanded. I honestly suspect that he has learned the right way to play PK from playing enough EA Sports NHL games: the D always relaxes on the PP, gotta take advantage!

I seriously feel Pulkkinen and Rantanen are getting the short end of the stick with this lineup, but it seems that Koivu and Granlund wanted to play with Aho. I just hope this sort of thing doesn't affect Pulu's confidence negatively as he has been kicked around all season. I think he did a disservice to himself by playing so well with Pihlström and Sallinen in the USA game; now he is stuck with them.

 

[FiLe]

Are you expecting top games to be like that Russian team?, that was team without NHL players, and again Aho was pretty damm good against USA.

I see you didn't bother to watch those games then. Said Russian teams featured a fair number of NHLers already, and those top KHLers like Shipachyov and Mozyakin are no pushovers either.

And I'm quite happy with our best PKers out there as it is.


Btw, that "top games" argument is ludicrous. None of us know how those "top games" are going to go, and who's going to be enough in them and who's going to be not. But you're saying it's better to yield to some elaborate fantasy drawn out in one's mind than what we've actually seen happen on the ice thus far? Yeah no.

 

[Mestaruus]

My favorite thing about Rantanen is the way he makes opponents take penalties and on this team a guy like that is very valuable when we have a high chance to score goals every time we get a PP. Him and Laine would draw a lot of penalties this tournament because they both love to challenge opponents 1on1.

So it's a shame Rantanen doesn't start vs Belarus. I'm sure they would've taken penalties against him. I want to hear Tami's (the biggest Turku homer ever) opinions about leaving Rantanen out tomorrow .

I also hope BLR doesn't injure our players tomorrow. There will be a lot of slashing and stuff.

 

[Pandaman11]

Why is Laine on the roster and Puljujarvi isn't? Just curious.

 

[FiLe]

Why is Laine on the roster and Puljujarvi isn't? Just curious.

Because our management did not see Puljujärvi among the 14 most suitable forwards for said roster.

If you wanna know why, you have to ask them.

 

[Pandaman11]

Ok. And why is Esa Lindell on the team? Didn't the Stars want to keep him in case of injuries to their defense? Usually, during the playoffs the teams have all their AHLers as scratches.

 

[BB88]

I see you didn't bother to watch those games then. Said Russian teams featured a fair number of NHLers already, and those top KHLers like Shipachyov and Mozyakin are no pushovers either.

And I'm quite happy with our best PKers out there as it is.


Btw, that "top games" argument is ludicrous. None of us know how those "top games" are going to go, and who's going to be enough in them and who's going to be not. But you're saying it's better to yield to some elaborate fantasy drawn out in one's mind than what we've actually seen happen on the ice thus far? Yeah no.

They were missing their top players, and again just go look at Canadas forward roster.

And honestly what coach in the World thinks 8 of 12 forwards has to be penalty killers?
Rantanen is the better player, and should be playing, Komarov-Rantanen 4th line could actually score and bring highly important scoring depth.
I hope this vet love goes away and fast.

 

[Teukka]

Lineup at practice:

Sebastian Aho – Mikko Koivu – Mikael Granlund
Jussi Jokinen – Aleksander Barkov – Patrik Laine
Mika Pyörälä – Jarno Koskiranta – Leo Komarov
Antti Pihlström – Tomi Sallinen – Teemu Pulkkinen

Jani Lajunen, Mikko Rantanen

Topi Jaakola– Juuso Hietanen
Anssi Salmela – Tommi Kivistö
Lasse Kukkonen – Atte Ohtamaa
Esa Lindell – Ville Pokka

I cannot see a thing that would NOT be wrong with this lineup. Way to waste every resource, Kari Jalonen

1.) Laine on the wrong side.
2.) Forcing Jokinen and Barkov together even though they aren't linemates.
3.) Pulkkinen, a.k.a. the best scorer so far, on a non-scoring line.
4.) No goalscorers in the top line; Granlund and Aho are the same player with slightly different highlights.
5.) No Rantanen in the lineup.
6.) Just... what the ****. Is that guy really this senile? How is it possible that he can make EVERY wrong decision there is to make? The players can't be okay with this ********. Were they asked even simple questions like "are you a RW or a LW"?

This team was absolutely great on paper until K. Jalonen's brain started flatulating. I was happily wrong about the chemistry of Laine-Aho-Puljujärvi pre-WJC, but this time it's the wrong Jalonen making line combinations that don't make any apparent sense.

 

[Phosphophyllite]

I really hope that Nokka is just experimenting with these lines and will fix them once we face tougher competition. Glad that he is done after this tournament tbh.