2016 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[FlareKnight]

I don't know Austin Matthews but considering everything around this scenario IF the Leafs win the lottery next year is he too good to pass on or what are the thoughts of a trade with Arizona

Austin Matthews for Dylan Strome + Max Domi

Clearly you missed the fact that this board spent the last few months before the draft ripping Strome into pieces . No way any trade with Strome in there would be taken for the top pick.

That'd be tough to take regardless though. First overall isn't something you trade lightly. Though Strome is a pretty darn high skill guy.

It's tough. In the end when you have the top pick I'll take quality over quantity. Just too good and gives so much flexibility where we don't need both of Marner/Nylander to be NHL centers. Strome is really darn good, but I'd play it safe on this question.

 

[carko32]

Clearly you missed the fact that this board spent the last few months before the draft ripping Strome into pieces . No way any trade with Strome in there would be taken for the top pick.

That'd be tough to take regardless though. First overall isn't something you trade lightly. Though Strome is a pretty darn high skill guy.

It's tough. In the end when you have the top pick I'll take quality over quantity. Just too good and gives so much flexibility where we don't need both of Marner/Nylander to be NHL centers. Strome is really darn good, but I'd play it safe on this question.

I don't think that the problem in proposed trade was Strome.

I would love to get Strome, but I don't like Domi coming here. I would do Strome+Arizona 2016 1st rounder for Matthews, if they were picking in top5. Otherwise, Matthews is going to be sooooo good, that it would be really hard to trade him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would take Matthews over pretty much anything Arizona would realistically offer us, not even sure how it is a debate.

 

[91Stammer*]

I would take Matthews over pretty much anything Arizona would realistically offer us, not even sure how it is a debate.

I will take OEL in a heartbeat and give them Matthews without hesitation.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I will take OEL in a heartbeat and give them Matthews without hesitation.

So a team that basically only has OEL and nothing of note in terms of defensive prospects will deal OEL? Right.

 

[Menzinger]

I will take OEL in a heartbeat and give them Matthews without hesitation.

Matthews would make more sense fornthrbLeafs given their position.

Matthews is likely going to develop into a first line centre and would be cost controlled for YEARS. OEL is already making big money.

To bring him in you'd have to start selling more futures to allow the team to "win now" to get the most out of OEL while he's in his prime.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Draft Matthews all the way.

 

[hamzarocks]

depends on how good Matthews is at the end of the year compared to chychuran or other guys, i mean if we could package the 1st back to 3rd or 4th and pick up say from the cane a hayden fleury and still get a chance to draft a brown, pul, chychuran that could be really tempting if those guys are close enough to chychuran, or if we trade to zona i would want back a nice d prospect and another 1st

 

[hamzarocks]

though matthews has produced a ppg in the swiss top league, how good is that league not better than ahl, khl, shl, and fin league right, probably the 6th best league in the world, he is doing great so idk, does he look as good as eichel, close to mcdavid, If so than its a nobrainer take him

 

[Hero]

I don't know Austin Matthews but considering everything around this scenario IF the Leafs win the lottery next year is he too good to pass on or what are the thoughts of a trade with Arizona

Austin Matthews for Dylan Strome + Max Domi

I'd take it depending how those 3 do this season.

I don't think the gap between Strome and Matthews will be all that big when it's all said and done.

Also two Canadian boy for Cherry

 

[Menzinger]

I see Matthews as closer to Eichel, and I'd say there's a noticeable gap between him and Strome.

Time will tell of course.

 

[-DeMo-]

imo the only way Arizona can trade for 1st overall is if there 2nd overall and then basically trade up 2nd + strome or something like that.

 

[one77]

You take Matthews and laugh. He's Eichel level. Some were saying if he was in this draft, he goes 2nd after McDavid.

JVR - Matthews - Marner
Brown - Nylander - Kapanen
Timashov - Kadri - Bracco
Komarov - Gauthier - Winnik

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Dermott
Percy - Harrington
-Loov/Valiev

 

[WTFMAN99]

You take Matthews and laugh. He's Eichel level. Some were saying if he was in this draft, he goes 2nd after McDavid.

JVR - Matthews - Marner
Brown - Nylander - Kapanen
Timashov - Kadri - Bracco
Komarov - Gauthier - Winnik

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Dermott
Percy - Harrington
-Loov/Valiev

That defense is ridiculously young. I doubt you see Dermott and Valiev here that soon.

Ditto Bracco, Gauthier, and Timashov.

 

[Sundinisagod]

You take Matthews and laugh. He's Eichel level. Some were saying if he was in this draft, he goes 2nd after McDavid.

JVR - Matthews - Marner
Brown - Nylander - Kapanen
Timashov - Kadri - Bracco
Komarov - Gauthier - Winnik

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Dermott
Percy - Harrington
-Loov/Valiev

Not one RHD in our top 8.

 

[PJJ]

I have some bad news if we still have Phaneuf on the top pairing in a few years

 

[gabeliscious]

That defense is ridiculously young. I doubt you see Dermott and Valiev here that soon.

Ditto Bracco, Gauthier, and Timashov.

i think the point is mathews at 18 > 25 year old OEL in terms of where we are at in development.

assuming matthews becomes what he projects to the leafs would be in good shape.


xxxxxxxxx - matthews - marner
kappanen - nylander - bracco
brown- xxxxxxxx - timashov
xxxxxxx- gauthier - xxxxxxxx

rielly -xxxxxxx
dermott -xxxxx
percy - xxxxx

xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx

xxxx we can look to fill with ufa, trades, and lucky drafting

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I will take OEL in a heartbeat and give them Matthews without hesitation.

Uh no.

 

[shelf]

OEL, Dvorak, Strome, Pronger, Smith

for

Phaneuf, Matthews, Gardiner, Bozak

 

[Sundinisagod]

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
JVR - Kadri - Brown
Soshnikov - Bracco - Kapanen
Timashov - Gauthier - Hyman

Rielly - XXX
Dermott - XXX
Percy - Lindgren

XXX
Bernier

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
JVR - Kadri - Brown
Soshnikov - Bracco - Kapanen
Timashov - Gauthier - Hyman

Rielly - XXX
Dermott - XXX
Percy - Lindgren

XXX
Bernier

So much wrong with this.

Organization has stated they believe Marner and Nylander are centres. Marner making the transition to wing if we grabbed a big time centre I can understand, but I think they let Nylander take the 2C and deal Kadri off to help fill the 2nd, maybe 1st pairing (if we added a big plus) RHD slot.

Bracco is a winger. Timashov wouldn't work as a 4th liner. Reality is some of these prospects may not work out. I wouldn't pencil in guys taken beyond the 2nd round at this point as it is actually highly likely they do bust.

 

[Duke16]

Kapanen - Nylander - Johnson
Timashov - Marner - Bracco
Soshnikov - Gauthier - Brown
Leipsic - Hyman - Leivo

Dzierkals, Toninato, Skladnichenko and Korostelev could be solid though

Rielly - 2016 Draft
Loov - Dermott
Percy - Corrado
Harrington, Valiev

Nielsen and Lindgren could end up really good too. Not so high on Desrocher.

 

[Sundinisagod]

So much wrong with this.

Organization has stated they believe Marner and Nylander are centres. Marner making the transition to wing if we grabbed a big time centre I can understand, but I think they let Nylander take the 2C and deal Kadri off to help fill the 2nd, maybe 1st pairing (if we added a big plus) RHD slot.

Bracco is a winger. Timashov wouldn't work as a 4th liner. Reality is some of these prospects may not work out. I wouldn't pencil in guys taken beyond the 2nd round at this point as it is actually highly likely they do bust.

Kadri will be too expensive for the 3rd line. He'll get moved eventually and at that point one of Nylander or Marner slots in at 2C. Did Bracco not play centre at some point?

Big void on D IMHO.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kadri will be too expensive for the 3rd line. He'll get moved eventually and at that point one of Nylander or Marner slots in at 2C. Did Bracco not play centre at some point?

Big void on D IMHO.

Exactly - Kadri becomes a trade chip for a 1st or 2nd pairing RHD (we may need to add to him, in fact we likely do need to) - helps fill some of that void.

Nylander likely slots in on the 2C - Looked good in there in pre-season and will be playing C professionally in the AHL, and already did in the SHL previously.

Now in terms of Marner, depending on what happens (Matthews? Stamkos?) - Marner could move to RW. If he rips it with London and comes in next year and looks like the 2nd coming of Claude Giroux, who knows?

Defense is a complete crap shoot. A lot of these guys need to develop. We have guys in Harrington, Loov, and Percy who we need to see at the NHL level - What if one of them can be a top 4 for us?

Then you have wild cards like Lindgren but I wouldn't bank on them.

No idea - A lot of younger guys who are talented start off at centre but as they get to stronger competition they transition to the wing. I would count on him being a winger at this point.

 

[Highlander23]

This draft is shaping out quite well. not great for canada, but good talent from sweden, russia, us