2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[PhoPhan]

what's your take on Pu and Mete?

I like Mete a lot. He's obviously got some limitations with his size, but given his build, I think he can still be an effective guy if used properly. Very smart player with great mobility. The go-to comparison for undersized defensemen seems to be Torey Krug now, but he reminds me a little of Rafalski.

Pu looks solid, too, but I think he's becoming a little overrated, and I'm thinking someone will end up overthinking and reaching for him a bit, maybe even at the end of the first round. Looks like an effective middle six forward to me, though.

Crazy bold most would say

Easy to be crazy when I have absolutely nothing at stake. If a team can be a little patient with Jones, though, he could be an absolute force.

 

[Mosby]

Any word on who has looked good, or not so good, at the combine so far?



The more I read about Chychrun, the more I hope we take him at 7. I like Juolevi as well, but he seems a bit bland, at least compared to Chychrun. There's been some criticism as to Chychrun's hockey sense, but that just may be one scout's opinion. Other sources highlight Chychrun's hockey sense as a strength:

Director of NHL Central Scouting Dan Marr
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=99549&tab=scr

A complete defenseman with the size, strength, speed and puck skills for today’s NHL. Chychrun is an excellent transitional skater who possesses high-end hockey sense, passing ability, a powerful shot and the poise to make plays under pressure. He plays a solid two-way game displaying quick offensive instincts, is responsible defensively and rarely out of position.

OHL Sarnia's head scout
http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/sting-announce-chychrun-1st-overall/

“Jakob is a special kind of player that doesn’t come around too often,” commented Sting Head Scout & Director of Player Personnel, Nick Sinclair. “He is a prototypical modern age defenceman that can do it all. He is a rare combination of size, speed, and strength, but his greatest asset as a player is his hockey sense. His on ice awareness and anticipation are tools that take his game to another level. Jakob is an ultimate competitor and has the ability to adapt to any type of game situation. Off the ice, he is a young man with tremendous drive, leadership, character, and maturity. This young man will be a great ambassador and role model for the community and city of Sarnia. We are extremely thrilled about the future of the Sarnia Sting Hockey Club in being able to inject a cornerstone, like Jakob, into our line-up.”

Brock Otten's site
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/02/midseason-mediascout-top-10-for-2016.html

Still the top OHL skater available in the upcoming NHL draft, Jakob Chychrun has such an intriguing skill set its hard for me to see any player in the Ontario Hockey League getting selected before him. Chychrun plays with veteran poise, shows tremendous leadership qualities and is impactful in every situation he's deployed in. A high end skater with excellent mobility and elite speed, Chychrun excels in possession as he can dictate the pace of the game and create offensive from the back end. Displaying high end vision and playmaking skills, Chychrun is a strong decision maker that boasts high end hockey sense. Defensively Chychrun closes gaps quickly and effectively, shows excellent contain and an ability to be a versatile defender, excelling in both a physical aspect and as a stick on puck defender. If there is one knock on Chychrun at this point, it's that he can try to do to much. When his team is down he begins to force plays and take risks that aren't necessary. However those are very correctable errors that should smooth out as he continues to learn and develop.

 

[hbk]

Any word on who has looked good, or not so good, at the combine so far?



The more I read about Chychrun, the more I hope we take him at 7. I like Juolevi as well, but he seems a bit bland, at least compared to Chychrun. There's been some criticism as to Chychrun's hockey sense, but that just may be one scout's opinion. Other sources highlight Chychrun's hockey sense as a strength:

Director of NHL Central Scouting Dan Marr
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=99549&tab=scr


OHL Sarnia's head scout
http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/sting-announce-chychrun-1st-overall/


Brock Otten's site
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/02/midseason-mediascout-top-10-for-2016.html

Trust me. Hockey sense is an issue. Witnessed first hand. Confirmed by an NHL GM.

If we want Chychrun then I suggest we drop a few slots and pick up more picks.

 

[OriginalJetsCoyotes]

Trust me. Hockey sense is an issue. Witnessed first hand. Confirmed by an NHL GM.

So just 1?

People have different opinions, many scouts still claim it's not an issue. The problem is sometimes players just have bad games or bad streaks. It might be that you caught him at a bad time or at bad times.

Hard to believe he was once ranked #2 overall if he had little to no hockey sense. Especially since Laine and Puljujarvi were right on his tail the entire time he was there.

 

[hbk]

So just 1?

People have different opinions, many scouts still claim it's not an issue. The problem is sometimes players just have bad games or bad streaks. It might be that you caught him at a bad time or at bad times.

Hard to believe he was once ranked #2 overall if he had little to no hockey sense. Especially since Laine and Puljujarvi were right on his tail the entire time he was there.

I caught him playing against his peers at the U18s. Recency bias. Sure. It's the last impression made and it was bad. Train wreck bad. In front of a slew of scouts and GMs.

I dropped him about 5 spots on my draft list but there was a red X beside his name. He's a name quite frankly that I do not want at all let alone at 7. At 20 yep I'd understand taking the risk but at 7? No f'ing way.

There's a slew of names that were once considered top 10 to start a season who fell far by the draft. sean Day was in the mix at the start of year and now he's projected to go in 3rd round. His upside is arguably higher than Chychrun and he hasn't had to have shoulder injury. Issue though is heart and commitment.

 

[AZviaNJ]

The more I see if juolevi the less I want him. Imo super low ceiling.

I completely agree. When watching Joulevi I keep waiting to be at least slightly impressed. Hasn't happened yet.

Seems to benefit from playing with the Fins and London.

 

[OriginalJetsCoyotes]

I completely agree. When watching Joulevi I keep waiting to be at least slightly impressed. Hasn't happened yet.

Seems to benefit from playing with the Fins and London.

That's what I was thinking as well. Crazy year for both Fins and London. The talent he's had up front has been insane.

Sergachev and Chychrun have had to carry more weight to win games without three 100+ point players up front. Just think what both of those players could have done on that London team.

 

[hbk]

ISS moves Brown to 7.

 

[hbk]

That's what I was thinking as well. Crazy year for both Fins and London. The talent he's had up front has been insane.

Sergachev and Chychrun have had to carry more weight to win games without three 100+ point players up front. Just think what both of those players could have done on that London team.

Do we interpret this to mean Juolevi should have been putting up much bigger numbers given the strength of Londons forwards? His numbers were fairly mediocre given his circumstances.

Chychrun isn't going to run your PP in NHL. In fact he is unlikely to be part of first pairing. It's not his strength.

Sergachev numbers were impressive. He's the only one of the three Juolevi, Chychrun, Sergachev who will and who could QB a PP. of course all offense in London went through Marner (for most part) so not sure if D isn't only eligible for a secondary assist if they don't score the goal.

 

[Jakey53]

I caught him playing against his peers at the U18s. Recency bias. Sure. It's the last impression made and it was bad. Train wreck bad. In front of a slew of scouts and GMs.

I dropped him about 5 spots on my draft list but there was a red X beside his name. He's a name quite frankly that I do not want at all let alone at 7. At 20 yep I'd understand taking the risk but at 7? No f'ing way.

There's a slew of names that were once considered top 10 to start a season who fell far by the draft. sean Day was in the mix at the start of year and now he's projected to go in 3rd round. His upside is arguably higher than Chychrun and he hasn't had to have shoulder injury. Issue though is heart and commitment.

All I know is that this draft is crucial for the rebuild. The scouts have gained my trust over the last couple of years, so I will support who ever they select, for now. I think we will go forward with the first pick and D at #20.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I completely agree. When watching Joulevi I keep waiting to be at least slightly impressed. Hasn't happened yet.

Seems to benefit from playing with the Fins and London.

Yup, twice now when I've caught a Knight's game I've tried to focus on him and not seen much of anything. It is true with all the talent up from he wouldn't HAVE to make any crazy plays, but he doesn't stick out at all.

 

[Mosby]

ISS moves Brown to 7.

Interesting list for sure. I like this version a lot better than their previous ranking.

Also noticed that this ranking lists Sergachev as a RD despite being left-handed. First time I've noticed that in an official ranking.

McAvoy keeps falling for some reason. I really think he'll be available at 20.

Who do you take at 7 if Brown is off the board? Assuming Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, PLD, Brown go 1-6.

 

[rt]

Sergachev played the entire post season and much of the regular season as RD

 

[Heldig]

Landing a good forward at 7 (Brown?, Dubois? Jost?) And one of the second tier D at 20 (McAvoy or Bean) and possibly Mete (though I see him going in the 2nd round).

 

[OriginalJetsCoyotes]

Chychrun isn't going to run your PP in NHL. In fact he is unlikely to be part of first pairing. It's not his strength.

From what I've read many scouts say, Chychrun is far more likely to be a first pairing defenseman than Juolevi is.

 

[LuckyNumber11]

No surprises here

#Coyotes announce they will not sign Conner Bleackley (acquired in Boedker trade with COL). Will receive compensatory second-round pick. -Sarah

 

[SeidoN]

No surprises here

#Coyotes announce they will not sign Conner Bleackley (acquired in Boedker trade with COL). Will receive compensatory second-round pick. -Sarah

what happened with him. I remember really wanting him the year NJ had 30.

 

[PhoPhan]

Sergachev played the entire post season and much of the regular season as RD

Stupid question: is this a Russian thing? I know Russian forwards are more likely to play on their off-wing than North Americans, but I have no idea if the same is true for defensemen.

 

[Puck possession wins]

https://www.nhl.com/news/arizona-co...-re-enter-nhl-draft/c-280854820?tid=277764372

Chayka was blunt as could be. Maybe there is hope for this kid

 

[hbk]

Interesting list for sure. I like this version a lot better than their previous ranking.

Also noticed that this ranking lists Sergachev as a RD despite being left-handed. First time I've noticed that in an official ranking.

McAvoy keeps falling for some reason. I really think he'll be available at 20.

Who do you take at 7 if Brown is off the board? Assuming Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Tkachuk, PLD, Brown go 1-6.

Jost.

Don't even think twice about it.

 

[hbk]

From what I've read many scouts say, Chychrun is far more likely to be a first pairing defenseman than Juolevi is.

I think Chychrun is a 4 D.

If you think he's a 2D then I get taking him in Top 10-12. Personally I see a lot of bad Jovo in his game.

 

[PhoPhan]

Jost.

Don't even think twice about it.

It's between Keller and Jost for me at that point. Jost seems like the better fit and the safer pick, though. I think both end up playing wing as pros.

 

[rt]

Wouldn't we likely still be looking at one of Jost or Keller at 10?

Would Colorado do 10+40 for 7+53?

 

[rt]

Jost.

Don't even think twice about it.

Had a dream last night that we picked him and talked him into playing for Everett rather than NoDak.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Had a dream last night that we picked him and talked him into playing for Everett rather than NoDak.

If anyone ever had any doubt you were passionate about this, that dream description right there should remove it.