Ah yes, the old quantity for quality trade proposals. Martinez is going absolutely nowhere. Kings cannot give up a proven puckmover, not going to happen.
2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT V: Free Agent Frenzy
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Ah yes, the old quantity for quality trade proposals. Martinez is going absolutely nowhere. Kings cannot give up a proven puckmover, not going to happen.
SettlementRichie10
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Even Dean "at his best" swung hard on Kovalchuk and Brad Richards.
His best FA signings have been the ones he just missed out on. I'm considering Lucic the same.
If there's one thing we know Dean is capable of, it's hoarding prospects and picks when he's not confident in the roster. He is also capable of developing NHL players out of post-first round picks.
But here's the problem: we're in a situation now with three core players on long term deals in their prime. We really don't have the time to slow burn another Voynov or Toffoli. By the time these prospects are ready, Kopitar and co. will be regressing.
I have the utmost faith in Dean's ability to build a contender from scratch. But the timelines aren't adding up this time.
Signing Brad Richards would be awesome. I wouldn't mind that, at all. We saw the impact Lecavalier had on the team when he came; I think Richards would bring that to the table.
As for trading one of the forwards for a RHD behind DD; I wonder who Rosen is talking about? Dwight King? He doesn't have that much value. Pearson? That would make the most sense and he would probably fetch the best player in a trade but that would create another hole in the top 6.
As for trading one of the forwards for a RHD behind DD; I wonder who Rosen is talking about? Dwight King? He doesn't have that much value. Pearson? That would make the most sense and he would probably fetch the best player in a trade but that would create another hole in the top 6.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Go ahead and prove me wrong, I'll happily listen. Seems like most arguments against McNabb's ability are just "LOL".
He was miscast, that's it. and he had a very good 1/3 of the season, he just started cracking in the middle 1/3 and fell apart completely at the end.
Here, I'll start: players who had similar seasons to Brayden McNabb using a comparison tool at http://www.corsica.hockey/similarity-calculator/:
Jake Gardiner
Jake McCabe
Jacob Trouba
Jaccob Slavin
Calvin DeHaan
Dan Hamhuis
McNabb gets a raw deal around here. He's not our saviour, but he's a good #4 d-man who I expect to be even stronger this year as he continues to work out the kinks.
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Whiskeypete
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I can't believe how quickly the wheels are falling off the bus. I knew there was little to no money for DL to make moves today, so I wasn't surprised at the outcome.
I had a hunch he would re-sign Zatkoff, so that wasn't a surprise to me. I think DL got a good pick up in getting Zatkoff back. Gilbert he tried to make a move for 2-3 years ago, so again not a big surprise.
I think these guys are insurance. If the kids can't do it out of camp, then they can turn to these guys. As someone posted earlier, these guys can be waived and sent down without fear of loss in the big scheme.
We are looking at the eventual outcome of bad trades and poor personnel decisions. Decisions that have cost the team picks and players for what has been short term gains - Sekera and Lucic are the prime examples.
I liked Lucic on the team and it was for the most part a natural fit, but at the same time last summer all of us knew the likelihood of DL being able to re-sign him was virtually impossible. Money was already tight a year ago and the Kopitar contract was on the horizon. In the long run this has turned out to be a disaster of a trade. Lucic cost the team a 1st, M Jones and C Miller. For what? 1 playoff win - a successful regular season?
Still want to know how DL missed out on Hamhuis. Yeah he's a LHD, but he's an upgrade on the 2nd pairing compared to what LA has or signed today. 2 years for $7.5M, LA had room for that contract.
The Brown "fiasco" is going to hang over the club for quite some time. The team handled this like **** and I'm glad Brownie didn't sugarcoat his feelings in the interview yesterday. Has his game slipped and am I like most others in being frustrated, hell yes. At the same time the org handled this and him horribly, he deserved better. Brown is gone in the expansion draft if not sooner. If sooner LA has to retain at least $2.5M.
this coming season may turn into a total **** show with the Brown fiasco hanging around. the D still has significant issues on paper and we truly won't know until we get 20 games into the season. the bottom six is still intact from last season, which isn't promising. we now have a hole yet again at the 1LW spot. Sutter remains which will likely stagnate development of the kids.
its going to be a long summer and a longer 2016-17 i feel
I had a hunch he would re-sign Zatkoff, so that wasn't a surprise to me. I think DL got a good pick up in getting Zatkoff back. Gilbert he tried to make a move for 2-3 years ago, so again not a big surprise.
I think these guys are insurance. If the kids can't do it out of camp, then they can turn to these guys. As someone posted earlier, these guys can be waived and sent down without fear of loss in the big scheme.
We are looking at the eventual outcome of bad trades and poor personnel decisions. Decisions that have cost the team picks and players for what has been short term gains - Sekera and Lucic are the prime examples.
I liked Lucic on the team and it was for the most part a natural fit, but at the same time last summer all of us knew the likelihood of DL being able to re-sign him was virtually impossible. Money was already tight a year ago and the Kopitar contract was on the horizon. In the long run this has turned out to be a disaster of a trade. Lucic cost the team a 1st, M Jones and C Miller. For what? 1 playoff win - a successful regular season?
Still want to know how DL missed out on Hamhuis. Yeah he's a LHD, but he's an upgrade on the 2nd pairing compared to what LA has or signed today. 2 years for $7.5M, LA had room for that contract.
The Brown "fiasco" is going to hang over the club for quite some time. The team handled this like **** and I'm glad Brownie didn't sugarcoat his feelings in the interview yesterday. Has his game slipped and am I like most others in being frustrated, hell yes. At the same time the org handled this and him horribly, he deserved better. Brown is gone in the expansion draft if not sooner. If sooner LA has to retain at least $2.5M.
this coming season may turn into a total **** show with the Brown fiasco hanging around. the D still has significant issues on paper and we truly won't know until we get 20 games into the season. the bottom six is still intact from last season, which isn't promising. we now have a hole yet again at the 1LW spot. Sutter remains which will likely stagnate development of the kids.
its going to be a long summer and a longer 2016-17 i feel
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Dude, you have to take the Kings colored blinders off, the guy bumbles the puck, makes garbage outlet passes, and takes stupid penalties. He's playing as our #2 btw. Get off of Lombardi's jock for once and see he's not a #4. Sure, he could move up if he takes the right strides, but I'm not holding my breath.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Reads a lot like Muzzin's debut season when he was forced into big minutes off the get-go, too.
The guy had to play all the tough matchups with Drew most of the season.
He played 18:48/game--4th most on the Kings--with less power play time per game than any regular (and only more than Scuds, Forbort, Greene, Schultz). Until Schenn came along, he was ALSO getting massive PK time. Those are all tough minutes.
That's a pretty good year for a guy pressed into it. If you have no faith the guy will grow that's fine, but I think he's primed for a big year, particularly if he's on a 2nd pairing rather than the 1st. Right now he's getting Derek Armstrong-ed.
SettlementRichie10
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How do you guys think the roster shakes out now? We seem pretty done here.
I think opening night looks something like this:
Gaborik-Kopitar-Purcell
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Latta-Lewis
Nolan, Mersch
Muzzin-Doughty
McNabb-Martinez
Gravel-Gilbert
Forbort
Quick
Zatkoff
Dowd and potentially Kempe will see time. Don't know what happens with Trotman, nor the Scuderi/Greene redundancy. I can't imagine both of those guys remaining Kings through the season. One will bounce around Ontario, the other may be traded/bought out.
Latta was an underrated signing today. He's a decent fourth line center. I think he and Clifford can form the foundation of a pretty damn solid fourth line. Lewis will bounce all over the lineup, as usual.
Honestly, this is not a terrible team. But it's all contingent on Brown and Gaborik seeing increased pressure to produce, particularly Gaborik. He had his best year on Kopitar's left wing, so I would try that. Purcell provides some extra skill there. But that line could really use some grease.
That 70s Line is a known quantity. Sutter may just stick Toffoli with Kopitar permanently, which I'm not opposed to. That opens up the blender for Carter's line. Maybe Purcell and Pearson form some decent chemistry there with Carter. The PCP Line.
But who knows, it could work.
Kopitar and Carter need to carry the load here. If they're not providing consistent offense, it really doesn't matter whom we have on the wings.
The defense is a similar unknown. Gravel and Forbort need to show their mettle here. There's at least one spot there for the taking. But they're going up against vets like Gilbert, Greene, and Scuderi, all of whom aren't interested in riding buses in the AHL. If neither Forbort nor Gravel can earn a spot, they don't deserve. Now's a better time than ever for these prospects.
The core of Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and McNabb is set. McNabb has the opportunity to take another step here.
If all goes well, if one of Forbort/Gravel earn a spot, if McNabb levels up, and one of Gilbert/Greene/Scuderi prove they're not corpses yet, this is a much better blueline than we're admitting. But that's a whole lot of what ifs.
Going to be an interesting year with a lot of question marks.
I think opening night looks something like this:
Gaborik-Kopitar-Purcell
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Latta-Lewis
Nolan, Mersch
Muzzin-Doughty
McNabb-Martinez
Gravel-Gilbert
Forbort
Quick
Zatkoff
Dowd and potentially Kempe will see time. Don't know what happens with Trotman, nor the Scuderi/Greene redundancy. I can't imagine both of those guys remaining Kings through the season. One will bounce around Ontario, the other may be traded/bought out.
Latta was an underrated signing today. He's a decent fourth line center. I think he and Clifford can form the foundation of a pretty damn solid fourth line. Lewis will bounce all over the lineup, as usual.
Honestly, this is not a terrible team. But it's all contingent on Brown and Gaborik seeing increased pressure to produce, particularly Gaborik. He had his best year on Kopitar's left wing, so I would try that. Purcell provides some extra skill there. But that line could really use some grease.
That 70s Line is a known quantity. Sutter may just stick Toffoli with Kopitar permanently, which I'm not opposed to. That opens up the blender for Carter's line. Maybe Purcell and Pearson form some decent chemistry there with Carter. The PCP Line.
But who knows, it could work. Kopitar and Carter need to carry the load here. If they're not providing consistent offense, it really doesn't matter whom we have on the wings.
The defense is a similar unknown. Gravel and Forbort need to show their mettle here. There's at least one spot there for the taking. But they're going up against vets like Gilbert, Greene, and Scuderi, all of whom aren't interested in riding buses in the AHL. If neither Forbort nor Gravel can earn a spot, they don't deserve. Now's a better time than ever for these prospects.
The core of Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and McNabb is set. McNabb has the opportunity to take another step here.
If all goes well, if one of Forbort/Gravel earn a spot, if McNabb levels up, and one of Gilbert/Greene/Scuderi prove they're not corpses yet, this is a much better blueline than we're admitting. But that's a whole lot of what ifs.
Going to be an interesting year with a lot of question marks.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I agree this doesn't look bad. The problem is we're in no man's land--we're no longer tough and scary nor are we uber-skilled. We just softened up and didn't get much better imo.
Still not a huge problem as it's obviously a new sheet of paper we're writing on here, I'm curious about the long-term vision--it's just a very different looking Kings team.
Moses Doughty
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Obviously it's not completely accurate but these are each team's #4 dmen as of now
Pacific: Despres, Murphy, Wideman, Davidson, Braun, Bartowski
Central: Campbell, Gelinas, Johns, Dumba, Ekholm, Parayko, Enstrom
Metro: Slavin, Murray, Moore, De Haan, Holden, Schultz, Dumoulin, Orpik
Atlantic: Liles, Kulikov, Quincey, Petrovic, Emelin, Ceci, Coburn, Hunwick
On this list, it's pretty fair to put him sort of in the middle of this list, and nearly all of them cost much more or are on their ELCs. I'm not a McNabb fan but realistically he's a 4, and about what you'll get at his price point.
KopitarFAN
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After seeing that it took Hall to get Larsson, I can't imagine Pearson would fetch that top-4 defenseman.
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The Hawks have Patrick Kane. That's their adaptation, and they lucked into him by winning the lottery.
The Hawks also had to keep a guy like Hossa over Saad. A lot of their fans rip them for the contract they gave Seabrook. They rip them for signing Rozsival and Mashinter today. They couldn't stop complaining about Bickell. They rip Quenneville because he plays guys that only coaches love.
Retain, and still add something else. Probably more than you would want to give up, and probably more than the extra $2.5m is worth. Nobody needs Brown or his contract for anything. 1 year of Bickell cost the Hawks Teravainen. There's 5 more years of Brown after 16-17. Hoping he gets taken by Vegas is just that, hoping he gets taken. Until there's something more concrete than hope, figure on him being on the roster 12 months from today.
Steve Zissou
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Nothing. Not only are they up against the cap and have to resign Lindholm and Rakell, but they have an internal cap as well.
They let Perron go although I thought he was a good fit (and yes, he's an ass) as well as Stewart; I'm shocked he even got a contract from some team.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
The cynic in me says Lucic signing had more to do with the 7 year 42 mil than playing with McDavid. If LA was willing to go 8 years at 34 mil as reported , its hard to turn down that extra 8 mil ,which I'm sure his agent was YELLING in his ear to take.
Ziggy Stardust
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Ducks have lost McGinn, Perron, Pirri, Santorelli and Stewart.
And going back further, they have gained nothing from having moved Maroon, Palmieri and Hagelin.
That's quite a number of bodies that they've lost. Plus Nate Thompson is likely out for the season as well due to an injury.
Guess they have to save whatever they can for that upcoming salary increases for Hampus Lindholm and Rickard Rakell.
And going back further, they have gained nothing from having moved Maroon, Palmieri and Hagelin.
That's quite a number of bodies that they've lost. Plus Nate Thompson is likely out for the season as well due to an injury.
Guess they have to save whatever they can for that upcoming salary increases for Hampus Lindholm and Rickard Rakell.
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So I see the lineup vaguely looking like this:
Gaborik-Kopitar-Toffoli
Pearson-Carter-Purcell
King-Lewis-Brown
Clifford-Dowd-Andrehoff
(Nolan, Latta, Shore, Mersch)
McNabb-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Gravel-Gilbert
(Greene, Trotman, Forbort)
Quick
Zatkoff
Of course Sutter will be doing the usual line shuffling, like most teams do. The D pairs should look like that, though I'm hoping Forbort can come in and play well after that many years of seasoning.
Gaborik-Kopitar-Toffoli
Pearson-Carter-Purcell
King-Lewis-Brown
Clifford-Dowd-Andrehoff
(Nolan, Latta, Shore, Mersch)
McNabb-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Gravel-Gilbert
(Greene, Trotman, Forbort)
Quick
Zatkoff
Of course Sutter will be doing the usual line shuffling, like most teams do. The D pairs should look like that, though I'm hoping Forbort can come in and play well after that many years of seasoning.
Moses Doughty
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Speaking of Pirri I do hope the Kings take a look at him even with the depth already here, around .5 PPG forward who could work on a PP
Steve Zissou
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If Forbort can't crack the lineup this year it makes you wonder why DL is swinging and missing on left handed defensemen in the 1st round. ::cough:: Hickey
SettlementRichie10
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Waiving Hickey was a terrible move in hindsight. But we still had Voynov then and Muzzin was up and coming. So it goes.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
