Instead of potentially giving up our 2nd to Boston, should trade our 2nd to whoever comes out of the east and give that to Boston, **** that organization
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Im really hoping we stay at least top 4.
Personally I really want 1 of Matthews, Laine, Pulju and Chychrun. I know Chychrun might slip to 5 but I don't want to take the chance
So if we dont win the draft lottery Im really hoping Toronto does.
As well ABC (Anyone but Calgary)
Personally I really want 1 of Matthews, Laine, Pulju and Chychrun. I know Chychrun might slip to 5 but I don't want to take the chance
So if we dont win the draft lottery Im really hoping Toronto does.
As well ABC (Anyone but Calgary)
Yeah I'm not really sure how that works because I've heard you can give a team any pick as long as its in the required round, and I've also heard that the other team has to agree to receiving a pick that's not our original owned pick. So I think technically Boston could say that they would rather our 2017 2nd if they think it'll be significantly higher than another team's 2nd from this year (say 58th overall). Personally when it comes to 2nd and 3rd rounders there usually isn't a huge difference between 40-80 unless someone really falls. 58th in 2016 will probably be ready faster than 46th in 2017.
Laine is the first goal scoring prospect from Finland that is in the Selanne/Kurri category.
Read a post saying along the lines of Yakupov being similar level goal scorer at the same age, I'd say no, and it should become evident by just watching some games: You just don't see that generational shot in Yakupov's toolbox. Yes, he had a great shot for a junior, but Laine has a great shot for a professional hockey player and a considerably better release.
it's a bit hard comparing the two since Laine has played pro, but for example Laine had a higher GPG in WJC20 than Yakupov in WJC18 at age 17
Comparing only WJC20 goal scoring Laine as at least a year younger has
GPG in U20 1.00GPG (17yo) vs Yakupov's 0.21GPG (18yo+19yo)
That's almost five times higher goals per game average as at least a year younger. So even if Laine attended two more WJC tournaments, to which he actually will be eligible, and didn't score one goal, after 21 games, he'd still have 50% higher GPG average than Yakupov while having played on average a half a year younger.
On top of that, as far as their size goes, Laine is 6'4 210lbs vs Yakupov 5'11 190lbs (won't bother looking up his size at age 17). Laine's size is a big factor in projecting his translatability.
Read a post saying along the lines of Yakupov being similar level goal scorer at the same age, I'd say no, and it should become evident by just watching some games: You just don't see that generational shot in Yakupov's toolbox. Yes, he had a great shot for a junior, but Laine has a great shot for a professional hockey player and a considerably better release.
it's a bit hard comparing the two since Laine has played pro, but for example Laine had a higher GPG in WJC20 than Yakupov in WJC18 at age 17
Comparing only WJC20 goal scoring Laine as at least a year younger has
GPG in U20 1.00GPG (17yo) vs Yakupov's 0.21GPG (18yo+19yo)
That's almost five times higher goals per game average as at least a year younger. So even if Laine attended two more WJC tournaments, to which he actually will be eligible, and didn't score one goal, after 21 games, he'd still have 50% higher GPG average than Yakupov while having played on average a half a year younger.
On top of that, as far as their size goes, Laine is 6'4 210lbs vs Yakupov 5'11 190lbs (won't bother looking up his size at age 17). Laine's size is a big factor in projecting his translatability.
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If it's our team, I would say Laine is ahead of Matthews just because he's a right shot sniper. It's harder to pencil in Matthews. We're at the point in our rebuild where we have to fill the gaps in the roster, and that's more important than BPA
If the issue is trade value, Matthews has more, but if that's the tact we're taking then we aren't drafting him anyway and are just trading the pick, maybe to move down to #2 and maybe pick up a good asset out of it.
If the issue is trade value, Matthews has more, but if that's the tact we're taking then we aren't drafting him anyway and are just trading the pick, maybe to move down to #2 and maybe pick up a good asset out of it.
You can also draft Matthews and trade RNH, Yak and Pou for defense and use the cap space to sign Backes
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RNH is already a problem though. We have Hall, Pouliot and Maroon all as good candidates for top six RW, and likely it is set as Maroon and Hall, with Pouliot falling to the 3rd line which is okay but he is trade bait. RNH is a left shot, and I really don't think we should be putting players on their off wing if we want everyone to play to their potential.
At center, it should be McDavid and Drai in the top six. They are a good complementary tandem. Like you, I don't want RNH as 3C, and it's because I don't think it gives him a good chance to succeed, and he should be in a checking role. So even without Matthews we're still lined up for a major trade around RNH, and trading him doesn't open up a spot for Matthews
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Anyone of Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Chychrun or Dubois is fine with me.
Looking forward to many more of these than anything
Never gets old
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Imagine the video's when we take 1st from them this time around, last time we didnt even take it from them.
I honestly don't even care if we get 1st. I'll be thrilled as long as the Leafs don't get it. So sick of that fanbase and their b******* media.
This may sound weird.... but I'd rather the Flames or Canucks win it rather than the Leafs.......
What did I just say.... give the Leafs Puljujarvi. I want Laine or Chychrun
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A bit before but certainly ever since McDavid I hate the Leafs fan base, team, and management. I really believe they are just getting a healthy dose of karma for just being douchy.
They are putting together one of the biggest tanks of all time and half them just wont admit it. Comming in last was celebrated universally. I find that sickening.
After all that, seeing them lose the Draft would be awesome.
But.
I want the Oilers to make the playoffs ASAP and as long as possible. Mathews or even Laine need to be as far away from our divisional and conference rivals as possible to improve our chances.
Perfect world Edmonton and Columbus finish first or second. Followed by the Leafs or xxx eastern conference team. Push our divisional rivals down and keep Toronto deservedly salty.
I see Ethan Bear is having a good game tonight 
I have high hopes for this kid. I think he will be a PP QB for us in the future.
I have high hopes for this kid. I think he will be a PP QB for us in the future.
re:compensatory 2nd round pick to Boston for PC
does any poster know exactly how this 2nd round pick in 2016 or 2017 to Boston at Edmonton's choice works??? ie does it have to be Edmonton's pick, or can it be one that Edmonton acquires from another team???
certainly if it has to be Edmonton's own 2nd round pick, the best option is to wait under 2017 and transfer the pick to Boston in that year. The pick this year 2016 would be #31 overall.
does any poster know exactly how this 2nd round pick in 2016 or 2017 to Boston at Edmonton's choice works??? ie does it have to be Edmonton's pick, or can it be one that Edmonton acquires from another team???
certainly if it has to be Edmonton's own 2nd round pick, the best option is to wait under 2017 and transfer the pick to Boston in that year. The pick this year 2016 would be #31 overall.
It can be any 2nd round pick this year or the next. Last year the Oilers sent the Sharks the Blues 3rd rounder (they had from the Paajarvi/Perron trade) for compensation for McLellan.
It might make some sense to package up the 62 this year along with something like a 5th rounder to move up to the very bottom of the 2nd round and send that to the Bruins for Chiarelli.
Probably depends if there is someone the Oilers really like that they think they can grab with that pick.
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If Oilers get 1st overall pick there's chance Oilers will pass Matthews ( You have McDavid for your franchise Center) and take Laine 1st overall.
Craig Button said in iltasanomat ( Finnish afternoon journal) Laine's only chance to be 1st overall pick is that Oilers will pick him instead of Matthews.
Anyone of Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Chychrun or Dubois is fine with me.
Looking forward to many more of these than anything
Oh man, I hope we win just for these
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I think there is next to no chance of Matthews not being picked 1st. The only way he wouldn't get picked 1st would be some crazy Bouwmeester type draft day deal, and I don't see those happening in this day and age.
This is the list as I have it as well...Man I wish one of those dmen were right handed.
I'm torn between the last 3.
But yes...trade the pick...ONLY if its for good value. Not JUST to get a second pairing dman. We should be able to do that using other assets. Top pairing? different story...use it all day
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