2016-17 NHL Regular Season

[Pia8988]

There were big rifts between Gallant and Rowe to start. Gallant didn't like the off season moves, wanted to get a little bigger. Rowe wanted to get faster and forced a new system.

 

[Era of Sanity]

So strange. Tallon finally had things turned around and the ship heading in the right direction with a good young core. Sounds like they are all in on the analytics, I believe they fired some well respected scouts this summer. Maybe being in their division is a good thing again.

 

[Era of Sanity]

At this rate, we won't even need coaches soon enough.

Coaching changes will simply be swapping out the team's Macbook for a Windows based PC.

analytics heavy Florida is already treating their coaches like inanimate objects.

 

[Fopppa]

analytics heavy Florida is already treating their coaches like inanimate objects.

In Rod we trust!

 

[BruinDust]

analytics heavy Florida is already treating their coaches like inanimate objects.

Sure seems that way.

 

[EverettMike]

Why is firing their coach related to their use of analytics? What proof is there of that, and not just they were unhappy with his performance?

 

[Pia8988]

Why is firing their coach related to their use of analytics? What proof is there of that, and not just they were unhappy with his performance?

The issue was because they had a conflict of how the team should be playing. A system change was forced on Gallant and he wasn't a fan of the off season moves. The changes are probably based on the 'analytics' approach in Florida.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/11/28/a-philosophical-divide-led-to-gallant-firing/

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Gallant never looked like a guy you'd want to be at odds with. Every time he was pissed at the refs or at the actions of the other team, it looked like he wanted to rip someone to shreds, literally. A real teeth gritter.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

You're basically a strawmen serial killer.

Can he get that put on his business card?

My recollection Of Tommy Rowe in Hartford and Carolina is that he was a hardass dick. I could see him and Gallant dropping the clipboards and going.

I smell a Pay Per View.

"Gerard, this is Dana White. I'd like to talk to you."

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The issue was because they had a conflict of how the team should be playing. A system change was forced on Gallant and he wasn't a fan of the off season moves. The changes are probably based on the 'analytics' approach in Florida.

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/11/28/a-philosophical-divide-led-to-gallant-firing/

The speed and skill game works if you have star players. It's really difficult to build a pure speed and skill. See: Colorado. You've got to have the horses, usually high draft picks through tanks. The Leafs "kind of/sort of" figured out they had to tank to build their team that way. The main "speed/skill" teams that have been successful are Pittsburgh and Chicago, two teams that have the high draftpick, young stars that Florida does not have. I know they have some good youth. They don't have superstars, however.

Teams like Boston and Los Angeles were very successful playing non-star driven, big, wear you down style of hockey.

Tallon's firing in Chicago was building his roster like NHL 09 (which did win them a Cup) but ultimately hampered the team financially in which Bowman came in and made some great decisions. I can understand the desire to build a skill based lineup, but as important as that is, we've also seen the importance of size in almost all teams. If you don't have the Toews/Kane, Crosby/Malkin type tandems, size and physicality is imperative.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings

I'm just telling you what the man himself said. That ESPN article seems a little subjective?

As I said earlier, it seems as if Bowman (based on quotes) thinks advanced stats are a valuable tool, but not the end all, be all.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Gallant never looked like a guy you'd want to be at odds with. Every time he was pissed at the refs or at the actions of the other team, it looked like he wanted to rip someone to shreds, literally. A real teeth gritter.

Recall his time spent in the QMJHL with Saint John and Mile Kelly was his assistant there as well. Kelly took over the team when Gallant headed back to the NHL. The snarl was very evident with both then but I wasn't always just directed at officials. The young players were ripped regularly and noticeably during games and they, Kelly in particular, seemed to have been very short on patience with kids in junior who make lots of mistakes. They did win a lot but I wondered what effect it had on the kids over time. While Gallant moved on Kelly took over and it went down hill from there until he was turfed before quickly reappearing in Florida with Gallant again. Do wonder if that might have been at play in Florida where they have many young players. Some reports referenced the players liking Gallant and describing him as a players coach, although I never saw anything in print or video that confirmed that from a Panthers player. I'm not so sure that it was the case. Classic old school coaching approach being a hard £$#, a la a young Mike Keenan, that is at odds with a very different style emerging in decision making that appears to be in conflict with this duo's approach. Do not see his approach as being a bit for a young team like Vegas as has been suggested. Should Claude run out of rope this year really hope that they do not consider Gallant and company as a good fit for the Bruins. Just my take.

 

[ODAAT]

There were big rifts between Gallant and Rowe to start. Gallant didn't like the off season moves, wanted to get a little bigger. Rowe wanted to get faster and forced a new system.

The whole regime in Florida changed in the off season and Gallant clearly wasn`t going to be their guy. I don`t have an issue with ownership wanting to pick the direction, what bothered me watching this unfold with more to come I am sure is the way they chose to address it.

Bush league all the way, Gallant deserved better IMO

I`m curious about how the players will respond to this, sounds like Gallant is a very well liked coach

 

[BruinDust]

The speed and skill game works if you have star players. It's really difficult to build a pure speed and skill. See: Colorado. You've got to have the horses, usually high draft picks through tanks. The Leafs "kind of/sort of" figured out they had to tank to build their team that way. The main "speed/skill" teams that have been successful are Pittsburgh and Chicago, two teams that have the high draftpick, young stars that Florida does not have. I know they have some good youth. They don't have superstars, however.

Teams like Boston and Los Angeles were very successful playing non-star driven, big, wear you down style of hockey.

Tallon's firing in Chicago was building his roster like NHL 09 (which did win them a Cup) but ultimately hampered the team financially in which Bowman came in and made some great decisions. I can understand the desire to build a skill based lineup, but as important as that is, we've also seen the importance of size in almost all teams. If you don't have the Toews/Kane, Crosby/Malkin type tandems, size and physicality is imperative.

I thought Tallon got canned in Chicago over some late mailings or faxes for qualifying offers?

 

[BruinDust]

Can he get that put on his business card?

I don't even know what that is but I like it.

I should call Vistaprint right now.

 

[Estlin]

I thought Tallon got canned in Chicago over some late mailings or faxes for qualifying offers?

Yeah, that's what got him fired. Chicago lost Niemi, Buff, Ladd and some others because of Tallon's administrative error.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Yeah, that's what got him fired. Chicago lost Niemi, Buff, Ladd and some others because of Tallon's administrative error.

Wait...I thought everyone gave CHi credit for cutting ties with those guys and staying ahead of the curve? Now you are telling me they lost them over a clerical issue?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I don't even know what that is but I like it.

I should call Vistaprint right now.

BruinsDust

Prez and Founder of Advanced Hockey Analytics

Strawman Serial Killer



With the right font and background, that would look awesome...

 

[BruinDust]

BruinsDust

Prez and Founder of Advanced Hockey Analytics

Strawman Serial Killer



With the right font and background, that would look awesome...

I think it would too.

 

[sarge88]

Gallant was fired more than 24 hours ago and nobody has called for him to replace Claude yet?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I thought Tallon got canned in Chicago over some late mailings or faxes for qualifying offers?

That was a dumb mistake, but the way he intentionally handcuffed the Blackhawks with the Hossa contract was legendary and clearly what got him fired. It worked out, but it forced them into decisions they'd rather not have had to make.

 

[BruinDust]

That was a dumb mistake, but the way he intentionally handcuffed the Blackhawks with the Hossa contract was legendary and clearly what got him fired. It worked out, but it forced them into decisions they'd rather not have had to make.

Wow, that may be one of the most inaccurate things posted here in awhile.

July 1st 2009, Hossa signed to a 12-year, worth 62.8 million.

July 14th, 2009 - Dale Tallon demoted to the position of senior advisor, making Stan Bowman the new GM.

So let me ask you these questions.

Do you really think that Dale Tallon as GM was allowed to sign Hossa to a 12-year, 62 million dollar deal, without the blessing of upper management and ownership?

Especially considering how badly the deal would "handcuff" the team as you say. So do you think they would sign off on the deal if they felt it would severely handcuff the team moving forward and 13 days later they demoted Tallon because of it?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Wow, that may be one of the most inaccurate things posted here in awhile.

July 1st 2009, Hossa signed to a 12-year, worth 62.8 million.

July 14th, 2009 - Dale Tallon demoted to the position of senior advisor, making Stan Bowman the new GM.

So let me ask you these questions.

Do you really think that Dale Tallon as GM was allowed to sign Hossa to a 12-year, 62 million dollar deal, without the blessing of upper management and ownership?

Especially considering how badly the deal would "handcuff" the team as you say. So do you think they would sign off on the deal if they felt it would severely handcuff the team moving forward and 13 days later they demoted Tallon because of it?

I am guessing it was a combination of both situations.

Both issues we are speaking of happened virtually in the same timeframe, so I'm not sure writing out the timeline that exclusively identifies Marian Hossa's UFA signing proves much of anything. He was fired many days after both Hossa's and the RFA situation played out.

 

[BruinDust]

I am guessing it was a combination of both situations.

Both issues we are speaking of happened virtually in the same timeframe, so I'm not sure writing out the timeline that exclusively identifies Marian Hossa's UFA signing proves much of anything. He was fired many days after both Hossa's and the RFA situation played out.

Proves the Hossa signing had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Even if Tallon's bosses were about to demote/fire him for whatever reason, there is not a chance that Dale Tallon would be able to go out and spend 60+ million of ownership's money without their approval. So they were OK with it, so it wasn't a factor in their decision to demote/fire Tallon. Because if Tallon was about to commit that kind of money to Hossa and his bosses weren't OK with it, they would of put a stop to it right then and there.

Your wrong on this one, completely. Sorry.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Proves the Hossa signing had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Even if Tallon's bosses were about to demote/fire him for whatever reason, there is not a chance that Dale Tallon would be able to go out and spend 60+ million of ownership's money without their approval. So they were OK with it, so it wasn't a factor in their decision to demote/fire Tallon. Because if Tallon was about to commit that kind of money to Hossa and his bosses weren't OK with it, they would of put a stop to it right then and there.

Your wrong on this one, completely. Sorry.

I see your point and your theory does indeed seem stronger than mine, given the fact that you would think that ownership would want to approve where it's money was going.

Though, it goes against numerous stories about the firing that I read at the time. Now, were those stories based entirely on fact or just interpretation? I honestly could not tell you. I'm just going off of historical reference in my own mind.

I am not sure I am 100% wrong, but I am willing to concede there is a far better argument on your side of things. Still...it's one of those "insider" things neither of us can ever be entirely sure about.