Line Combos: 2016-17 Line Combinations

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rocketdan9

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try this lineup for the next game

Marchand Bergeron Krejci
Backes Spooner Pasta
Beleksky Schaller Czarnik
Heinen Moore Acciari
 

BruinDust

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try this lineup for the next game

Marchand Bergeron Krejci
Backes Spooner Pasta
Beleksky Schaller Czarnik
Heinen Moore Acciari

Yes, because "loading up" the Top 2 lines has worked out just freakin' great. :shakehead

Although I do like the idea of Spooner-Backes-Pastrnak, but not with Spooner in the middle.

That 5th goal was exactly why Claude doesn't like Spooner in the middle. Total liability down low in his own end.
 

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Hate their power play

I'd try:

Krug - Morrow

Marchand - Bergy - Backes


Miller - Liles

Spooner - Krejci - Pasta
 
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BruinDust

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Hate their power play

I'd try:

Krug - Morrow

Marchand - Bergy - Backes


Miller - Likes

Spooner - Krejci - Pasta

Same.

Both units, and their strategies, need total overhauls.

They've basically been running the same set-up more or less since this time last season.

Too bad by December the rest of the league figured it out.

Has just one assistant coach ever been fired mid-season?

Because Joe Sacco needs to go. I don't care that he played in the NHL, or was a head coach in Colorado.

Guy is a total amateur.

I won't even get started on that ridiculous 6-3 set-up at the end of the Habs game. Just brutal.
 

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Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Heinen - Spooner - Backes
Beleskey - Krejci - Hayes
Schaller - Moore - Acciari
 

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Forget lines, I'll just suggest pairings outside of line 4.


Marchand - Bergeron - XXXX
XXXX - Backes - Pastrnak
Belesky - Krejci - XXXX

Now your XXXXs will be Spooner, Heinen, and Czarnik. Mix and match them however you want, but that's your top 9 forwards and the 9 forwards with the most scoring potential.

Line 4, Schaller and Moore should be locks.

Acciari and Nash can battle over that last spot. I'd probably prefer Acciari to Nash.

Schaller - Moore - Acciari/Nash

Jimmy Hayes, do whatever but get him out of the line-up permanently.

The D

Chara - Colin
Krug - Carlo
Liles/Morrow - Liles/O'Gara

I don't want to see Adam McQuaid in a Bruins uniform ever again.

I know many are in love with Chara-Carlo, but Colin to me has been very good the last couple games. This is the closest thing to a legit "Top 4" they can run right now, but I'd rather complement the skill-sets than put Krug with Colin.

Rask
McIntyre

Malcolm Subban is effectively 4th on the depth chart.

Kevan Miller when he returns can stay as a spare D-man. Khudobin replaces McIntyre unless McIntyre is lights out the next 3 weeks. Frank Vatrano I don't expect to see until after Xmas, he'll likely go to Providence for a bit once he returns to shake the rust off.
 

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I understand that goal was on the PP and that backdoor play is seen more on the PP than at ES but it's not like they don't try it at ES, and it's not like he's not getting chances coming in from the off-wing. His breakaway against MTL was at ES and he came in from the off-wing on that scoring chance.

I don't know. I'm certainly not above being wrong, and would listen to arguments, but all I keep reading is that he's bad on the wing, without any examples or reasons why. To my eyes...

He's covering his point well in the Dzone. His D hasn't gotten loose to cause any problems or score any goals.

On breakouts, he's been very good at making that second pass to the center. In fact I'd say his natural playmaking ability serves him well in that situation because he's able to make sneaky little short passes to beat attackers coming at him. I can't remember a single time he turned it over but I can remember him springing Krejci and Backes, and when the breakout goes the other way, he's very good at using his speed to come across and be that stretch threat like they're trying to incorporate.

Offensively, he has more shots per game than any player on the team. On the whole team. At wing. He's had breakaways and been part of odd man rushes. He drew a penalty against WPG in a 2on1 with Krejci. From the red line in, all forwards are interchangeable, so it's not like making him a center is going to keep him out of the corners. All players rotate and cycle.


All that said, I'm not against him playing center and think he will play more games at center than wing this year. To me, that LW spot should eventually go to Vatrano. But all the reasons I think (and have thought for years) that Spooner can play wing, also apply to Czarnik. I'd like to see Providence use him on the wing so that he's comfortable there and because I don't think they're going to drop Pasta to the 3rd line any time soon. When healthy, I'd like to see a healthy top9 that looks like this...

Marsh - Bergeron - Pasta
Vatrano - Krejci - Backes
Beleskey - Spooner - Czarnik

I think Lil Z can bring a lot of the same elements that made Spooner-Pasta so dynamic. Speed, both in terms of their skating and how they think the game, creativity, skill... And Beleskey as the banger. Of course, all this depends on Spooner proving he's no longer a liability as a center 5on5. It doesn't really help this team win if he can't help score more than he helps prevent.

(That's not to box Heinen out or dismiss him either, I think he can still continue to improve and I think getting scratched and watching one was a good thing that could help him take another step forward tonight. But until he makes himself indispensable, I think those lines fit together better.)


Whether Spooner can't play wing or just doesn't want to, the end result is going to be the same I think. Mercifully, I didn't get to watch the game last night because my son had hockey practice and then we went to the gym. I caught the last couple of minutes, but when I went to watch the DVR, there was some problem with the NESN feed and it was unwatchable.

I'm not sure what the line combos were and whether or not they changed during the game, but I just looked at the box score. Some things stood out:

Spooner didn't have a single shot in his 14:12 TOI.

Beleskey led the B's for TOI with 18:50 (more than Bergeron and Marchand), which should never, ever, ever happen.

As much as I like Heinen, how did he end up with more TOI (16:55) than Pasta? At this young stage in Heinen's career, this should not be happening.


I'm still going to maintain (after being shutout last night) that the B's have one line that can score and opponents are simply going to focus on taking away 63-37-88. I realize that the B's have not played a game yet with a full lineup, and I don't think DK is 100%, but they need to deal with it. I would still try to build three scoring pairs, and fill in the spaces around them:

63-37-XXX
XXX-46-42
XXX(39?)-51-88
 

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Whether Spooner can't play wing or just doesn't want to, the end result is going to be the same I think. Mercifully, I didn't get to watch the game last night because my son had hockey practice and then we went to the gym. I caught the last couple of minutes, but when I went to watch the DVR, there was some problem with the NESN feed and it was unwatchable.

I'm not sure what the line combos were and whether or not they changed during the game, but I just looked at the box score. Some things stood out:

Spooner didn't have a single shot in his 14:12 TOI.

Beleskey led the B's for TOI with 18:50 (more than Bergeron and Marchand), which should never, ever, ever happen.

As much as I like Heinen, how did he end up with more TOI (16:55) than Pasta? At this young stage in Heinen's career, this should not be happening.


I'm still going to maintain (after being shutout last night) that the B's have one line that can score and opponents are simply going to focus on taking away 63-37-88. I realize that the B's have not played a game yet with a full lineup, and I don't think DK is 100%, but they need to deal with it. I would still try to build three scoring pairs, and fill in the spaces around them:

63-37-XXX
XXX-46-42
XXX(39?)-51-88

Spooner was pretty much invisible all night. He gets his precious Center spot back, and does nothing with it.

Unless you include his completely losing his man in coverage in the defensive end on the 5th Minnesota goal.

If they are building pairs to create 3 scoring lines and spread out the offense, I don't know if this team has the luxury of using Backes as a winger to be honest.

Heinen and Pastrnak got swapped in the 3rd period. Heinen also took over the down-low spot on the 1st PP unit with Backes out. Might explain why he got more minutes than Pastrnak, whose still on the 2nd unit.
 

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Spooner was pretty much invisible all night. He gets his precious Center spot back, and does nothing with it.

Unless you include his completely losing his man in coverage in the defensive end on the 5th Minnesota goal.

If they are building pairs to create 3 scoring lines and spread out the offense, I don't know if this team has the luxury of using Backes as a winger to be honest.

Heinen and Pastrnak got swapped in the 3rd period. Heinen also took over the down-low spot on the 1st PP unit with Backes out. Might explain why he got more minutes than Pastrnak, whose still on the 2nd unit.

I would give Spooner a few games at Center before getting too worked up and give him a guy that can shoot (Pasta). In the past, Lucic was very good with those two. Beleskey is not 17, but Pasta is a stronger player this year.

After a little thought, I would try these lines:

63-37-27/20
43-46-42
39-51-88

If that's too young for Clode, throw Nash on Bergeron's RW for a couple of games and see what happens.
 

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Spooner was pretty much invisible all night. He gets his precious Center spot back, and does nothing with it.

Unless you include his completely losing his man in coverage in the defensive end on the 5th Minnesota goal.

If they are building pairs to create 3 scoring lines and spread out the offense, I don't know if this team has the luxury of using Backes as a winger to be honest.

Heinen and Pastrnak got swapped in the 3rd period. Heinen also took over the down-low spot on the 1st PP unit with Backes out. Might explain why he got more minutes than Pastrnak, whose still on the 2nd unit.

Maybe try...

63-37-27
39-46-88
51-42-43

I love the idea of Backes as Krejci's RW (once Krejci is back up to speed), but I don't think the team has the depth to do that right now.
 

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I would give Spooner a few games at Center before getting too worked up and give him a guy that can shoot (Pasta). In the past, Lucic was very good with those two. Beleskey is not 17, but Pasta is a stronger player this year.

After a little thought, I would try these lines:

63-37-27/20
43-46-42
39-51-88

If that's too young for Clode, throw Nash on Bergeron's RW for a couple of games and see what happens.

Don't love the idea of moving Pasta to the third line.
 

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Don't love the idea of moving Pasta to the third line.

If Backes is in the middle, which ever line Krejci is centering is effectively the 3rd line they way his season has started. Backes > Krejci right now.

Attach Belesky to his hip, and hope they can help each other dig out of this production hole they are both in.

I will say this. Lucic-Spooner-Pastrnak was the 3rd line 2 years ago, and it produced like a No.1 line. Now Belesky is no Lucic, but it could work.

For my money Spooner has only ever played with another line-mate who could skate with him a handful of times, the scattered games he got with 63-37, and when he centered Pastrnak.

Spooner is much more a score-off-the-rush than a score-off-the-cycle player. So it makes sense to have someone on his line who can skate at his speed.
 

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I would give Spooner a few games at Center before getting too worked up and give him a guy that can shoot (Pasta). In the past, Lucic was very good with those two. Beleskey is not 17, but Pasta is a stronger player this year.

After a little thought, I would try these lines:

63-37-27/20
43-46-42
39-51-88

If that's too young for Clode, throw Nash on Bergeron's RW for a couple of games and see what happens.

And Pastrnak can skate with Spooner, which I think is important for Spooner to be successful at any position.

Your Nash on the Bergeron line idea is intriguing. Never thought of that but you know what it's worth a try.

Besides Czarnik isn't likely to get called up in the near future.

I could see your lines being pretty good after a bit of thought.
 

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And Pastrnak can skate with Spooner, which I think is important for Spooner to be successful at any position.

Your Nash on the Bergeron line idea is intriguing. Never thought of that but you know what it's worth a try.

Besides Czarnik isn't likely to get called up in the near future.

I could see your lines being pretty good after a bit of thought.

I was pleasantly surprised with some of the offensive instincts Nash has displayed this year (particularly when Bergeron was out).

Also, I don't think people should look at Pasta on the "third line" as a demotion. Typically, when the team is playing well, Clode likes to roll all three lines pretty equally and Pasta is going to get his PP time as well. Personally (I think someone else may have already said it), until Krejci is 100%, I think he should be centering the "third line" (minutes-wise).

I'm not panicking too much, unfortunately the team has gotten banged up to start the season and have only had a full lineup for one game. Despite that, they are still .500, so I think the "deck chairs on the Titanic" comments are a little premature.
 

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I was pleasantly surprised with some of the offensive instincts Nash has displayed this year (particularly when Bergeron was out).

Also, I don't think people should look at Pasta on the "third line" as a demotion. Typically, when the team is playing well, Clode likes to roll all three lines pretty equally and Pasta is going to get his PP time as well. Personally (I think someone else may have already said it), until Krejci is 100%, I think he should be centering the "third line" (minutes-wise).

I'm not panicking too much, unfortunately the team has gotten banged up to start the season and have only had a full lineup for one game. Despite that, they are still .500, so I think the "deck chairs on the Titanic" comments are a little premature.

Agree, people get too worked up on this Top 6/Bottom 6 stuff. Teams roll 4 lines now.

And Nash was a 1st rounder once upon a time. He's had offensive ability. He made a reverse no-look pass in Habs game that was a thing of beauty.

This is a process, most need to be patient. Of the "Big 4" (63, 46, 42, 37), only Marchand is close to 100% (and even he might be a bit banged up, took a hard smack form Parise last night).

Lot's of rookies, guys new to the system, lines being shuffled, guys playing out of position, etc. etc.
 

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So while I generally agree that top 6/bottom 6 is in the past, if you have Pasta on a different line than 37/46 it means that either (1) Pasta is getting fewer minutes than 37/46 when the team needs offense or (2) the 3rd line is getting more minutes at the cost of 37/46. If you are rolling 37,46,42 down the middle, I have no problem with giving those 3 lines pretty even minutes. But, I don't want to be giving 51 more minutes at the cost of 37 and 46.

The big problem is that outside of 37+63 the pairs are less than ideal. 46+88 and 42+51 could work. 46+42 and 51+88 could work. But, neither of those two combos is ideal when you start filling in the blanks. At least until Vatrano is back.
 

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If I were in charge... this would be the lines for a few games once Backes is back.

Marchand - Bergeron - Czarik
Belesky - Krecji - Hayes
Spooner - Backes - Pastrnak
Heinen - Moore - Acciari

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Colin
Liles - Morrow

McIntyre

But until then without backes I would have this...

Marchand - Bergeron - Czarik
Spooner - Krecji - Pastrnak
Belesky - Nash - Hayes
Heinen - Moore - Acciari

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Colin
Liles - Morrow

McIntyre
 

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^^^ I know Krejci isn't back to 100%, but not sure if giving a top 20 scoring center Beleksey and Hayes as his wings is a great strategy.

I hear you... but towards the end of the 14/15 season, Pastrnak and Spooner lit it up together on the same line which is what finally landed Spooner his spot in the NHL last season. Id love to see them together, and would be nice if it was Krecji, however I don't feel like they have much chemistry with Krecji for some reason. Put Backes in the middle and as a net front presence for the kids... and as someone to pick up for them if players try to take runs at them. Krecji would give a lift to Balesky and Hayes which is muchly needed... cuz currently they keep giving them centers like Nash, who although good, makes the line invisible and non impacting. Were stuck with Belesky and Hayes so why not give it a try... more balance, more 1 - 2 - 3 punch.... Marchy Bergeron and Pastrnak is great but the rest of the lines suck currently.
 

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So while I generally agree that top 6/bottom 6 is in the past, if you have Pasta on a different line than 37/46 it means that either (1) Pasta is getting fewer minutes than 37/46 when the team needs offense or (2) the 3rd line is getting more minutes at the cost of 37/46. If you are rolling 37,46,42 down the middle, I have no problem with giving those 3 lines pretty even minutes. But, I don't want to be giving 51 more minutes at the cost of 37 and 46.

The big problem is that outside of 37+63 the pairs are less than ideal. 46+88 and 42+51 could work. 46+42 and 51+88 could work. But, neither of those two combos is ideal when you start filling in the blanks. At least until Vatrano is back.

I hear ya, but last night Beleskey had the most minutes of any F and he was on the "second line". Dropping Pasta down doesn't necessarily mean he will get a lot less minutes.
 

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I hear ya, but last night Beleskey had the most minutes of any F and he was on the "second line". Dropping Pasta down doesn't necessarily mean he will get a lot less minutes.

I think that was more of a product of it being a blow out in the first of a back to back, but, yes, if Pasta is on PP1, Pasta being dropped down could be OK.
 

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When Vatrano is back

Marchand Bergeron Pasta
Spooner Krejci Czarnik
Beleksky Backes Vatrano
Schaller Moore Acciari

Chara Carlo
Krug C. Miller
Liles Mcquaid
 

rocketdan9

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Krejci is horrible...Krejci line looks good on the surface but haven't produced.. you basically have three playmaking centers .... who is going to put the puck in the net??



new lines proposal

Marchand Krejci Czarnik
Spooner Krejci Pasta
Beleksky Backes Hayes
Schaller Moore Acciari
 
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