2016-17 Kings Roster Part 2

[YP44]

Why is Kopitar not producing? And is he still his usual self in his own end?

wrist injury and not as good as usual but still better than most.

 

[Curufinwe]

There have been zero big trades in the league this season, so I figure our two teams are as likely to change that as anyone. What are LA looking for (apart from Landeskog)? What decent players might they be OK giving up because of the expansion draft?

 

[The Tikkanen]

orrrrr maybe he's a chronic ghost act with character and health issues who people would have complained about the moment we were linked to him.

The guy has worn down his welcome in every city and his own national team and people want him to play under Sutter?

How have Purcell and Gilbert fared? People harp on Vanek being soft yet Dean signed 2 of THE softest players in the league with no pedigree. If Dean was so opposed to that type of player those 2 deals just destroy that argument completely.

 

[Sensinitis]

wrist injury and not as good as usual but still better than most.

What do you mean by wrist injury? That he had one and hasnt been the same since or is playing with one?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How have Purcell and Gilbert fared? People harp on Vanek being soft yet Dean signed 2 of THE softest players in the league with no pedigree. If Dean was so opposed to that type of player those 2 deals just destroy that argument completely.

Do you see anyone begging in retrospect to sign Purcell or make a transaction to get him back on the roster? Because that's what's being advocated that I'm actually arguing against.

Not that I think either Gilbert or Purcell has even remotely comparable character and health concerns, never mind roles, and Purcell's contract was easy enough to bury in the AHL for now, which Vanek's isn't.

Honestly that response didn't even address what I was arguing in the first place, but those contracts as comparables are such a stretch on top of it...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What do you mean by wrist injury? That he had one and hasnt been the same since or is playing with one?

When he got banged up vs. Methot he went out of the lineup for a few (5? i forget) games and came back with a gigantic visible brace and his arm mobility and strength was noticeably terrible. It's getting better, but he's still visibly a mess particularly with the puck on his stick. In prior games, he wouldn't even put his 2nd hand on his stick 75% of the time.

 

[dman3474]

Im hoping DL uses Teddy, Gilbert, and King as trading chips. They could end up netting a few 3rd/4th/5th round picks at the deadline that could be added to any deals as a sweetener, or used in an earlier deal and get flipped to a contender and the TDL

 

[AlphaBravo]

Im hoping DL uses Teddy, Gilbert, and King as trading chips. They could end up netting a few 3rd/4th/5th round picks at the deadline that could be added to any deals as a sweetener, or used in an earlier deal and get flipped to a contender and the TDL

Other than trading Teddy, it doesn't make sense for Lombardi to do that if the Kings are in a playoff race. We are short on left wing, and need King to fill that void. Also, with our rate of injuries this year, Gilbert is an insurance against that and has played pretty decent.

 

[dman3474]

Other than trading Teddy, it doesn't make sense for Lombardi to do that if the Kings are in a playoff race. We are short on left wing, and need King to fill that void. Also, with our rate of injuries this year, Gilbert is an insurance against that and has played pretty decent.

King- Doesn't matter if we are getting back another LW to take a spot in a bigger trade, AA can also play 4th line LW, or they can call someone up to give them limited minutes... Saying this, I fully expect King to sign a long term extension like Lewis did lol

Gilbert- If a trade isn't made before Toffoli is ready to come back then Gravel probably gets sent down or someone is waived, might as well try to talk someone into getting him for a pick

 

[KingsFan7824]

There have been zero big trades in the league this season, so I figure our two teams are as likely to change that as anyone. What are LA looking for (apart from Landeskog)? What decent players might they be OK giving up because of the expansion draft?

We're talking about Dean Lombardi, who has yet to trade anyone that played any sort of role on either team that won the Cup for the Kings. In terms of decent players he might trade, there's no way of knowing because he hasn't traded anyone like that yet. Other than backup goalies that had little value to the Kings when they were traded. He's traded prospects and picks recently, which hasn't worked out.

With the expansion draft, if the Kings do nothing, they'll probably lose one of Dowd, Forbort, or McNabb. Maybe Lewis?

They could use a right handed defenseman that can play every day, they could use a scoring winger. Basically no different than every team. The problem for the Kings is they have 2 wingers making way too much money for what they're doing right now, and two more wingers that need bigger deals.

 

[damacles1156]

Toffoli may not need a much bigger deal if he continues his not so great production, and missing games.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Thinking about our pipeline, I looked back at our 2013 draft class. Lombardi had 10 picks that year. This is how it turned out:

2nd, 3rd, 4th-round picks - Zykov, gone to Carolina with our 2016 first (Gauthier) for Versteeg
4th round - Justin Auger, prospect
4th round - Hudson Fasching, part of trade for McNabb, Parker and 2 2nds, who ended up being Alex Lintuniemi and Erik Cernak, prospects
5th round - Patrik Bartosak, gone due to his own actions
5th round - Jonny Brodzinski, prospect
6th round - Zac Leslie, prospect
7th round - Dominik Kubalik, unlikely to ever come over
7th round - traded for what ended up being Chaz Reddekopp, prospect

So out of 10 picks, we have Auger, Lintuniemi, Cernak, Brodzinski, Leslie, and Reddekopp still in our pipeline. Of those, Cernak and Brodzinski have the best chance of reaching the NHL, with Auger a possibility. Of course, the others could surprise us. At first, I thought it was a poor year because of the Zykov trade, Bartosak self-combustion, and Fasching loss, but the Carter trade (our 1st to Columbus) and Cernak return helped offset those.

Prospects who, at this point, appear to have a reasonably good chance of making the NHL:
2013 - Brodzinski
2014 - Kempe, Amadio
2015 - Cernak
2016 - Clague

(A couple of others, it's too early to tell.) Solid players, but no forward gamebreakers. Our only 1st is Kempe, who in his 2nd year with our AHL team, currently has .39 PPG. For comparison, our 2012 1st, Tanner Pearson, had .78 PPG in his 2nd year with our AHL team.

 

[bob77]

Thinking about our pipeline, I looked back at our 2013 draft class. Lombardi had 10 picks that year. This is how it turned out:

2nd, 3rd, 4th-round picks - Zykov, gone to Carolina with our 2016 first (Gauthier) for Versteeg
4th round - Justin Auger, prospect
4th round - Hudson Fasching, part of trade for McNabb, Parker and 2 2nds, who ended up being Alex Lintuniemi and Erik Cernak, prospects
5th round - Patrik Bartosak, gone due to his own actions
5th round - Jonny Brodzinski, prospect
6th round - Zac Leslie, prospect
7th round - Dominik Kubalik, unlikely to ever come over
7th round - traded for what ended up being Chaz Reddekopp, prospect

So out of 10 picks, we have Auger, Lintuniemi, Cernak, Brodzinski, Leslie, and Reddekopp still in our pipeline. Of those, Cernak and Brodzinski have the best chance of reaching the NHL, with Auger a possibility. Of course, the others could surprise us. At first, I thought it was a poor year because of the Zykov trade, Bartosak self-combustion, and Fasching loss, but the Carter trade (our 1st to Columbus) and Cernak return helped offset those.

Prospects who, at this point, appear to have a reasonably good chance of making the NHL:
2013 - Brodzinski
2014 - Kempe, Amadio
2015 - Cernak
2016 - Clague

(A couple of others, it's too early to tell.) Solid players, but no forward gamebreakers. Our only 1st is Kempe, who in his 2nd year with our AHL team, currently has .39 PPG. For comparison, our 2012 1st, Tanner Pearson, had .78 PPG in his 2nd year with our AHL team.

In fairness to Kempe, Pearson was 20 years old when drafted

 

[Curufinwe]

We're talking about Dean Lombardi, who has yet to trade anyone that played any sort of role on either team that won the Cup for the Kings. In terms of decent players he might trade, there's no way of knowing because he hasn't traded anyone like that yet. Other than backup goalies that had little value to the Kings when they were traded. He's traded prospects and picks recently, which hasn't worked out.

With the expansion draft, if the Kings do nothing, they'll probably lose one of Dowd, Forbort, or McNabb. Maybe Lewis?

They could use a right handed defenseman that can play every day, they could use a scoring winger. Basically no different than every team. The problem for the Kings is they have 2 wingers making way too much money for what they're doing right now, and two more wingers that need bigger deals.

We don't have a spare RHD, but we have Streit who almost always plays the right side. He's a UFA so we could retain 50% like we did with Luke Schenn. Streit's probably not hugely appealing but, if we took back Gilbert maybe something could work.

Streit at 50% + VandeVelde (can be buried in the minors) for Gilbert + Purcell?

Just spitballing to make up for the lack of actual trades this season. I'll leave you guys in peace.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

What do you mean by wrist injury? That he had one and hasnt been the same since or is playing with one?

obviously he sucks

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Toffoli may not need a much bigger deal if he continues his not so great production, and missing games.

max $4m?

or would we be looking in the $4m-$5m range?

 

[KingsFan7824]

max $4m?

or would we be looking in the $4m-$5m range?

Have to think Toffoli will get at least $5m, and that's even if he doesn't score another goal this season. He took his lower deal to help Lombardi get Lucic for a year. He's not doing that again. He's going to be 25 by season's end. That's a couple years away from being a UFA.

Might be easier to see it going the Doughty route than something as simple as handing over Fort Knox to Kopitar.

 

[YP44]

Have to think Toffoli will get at least $5m, and that's even if he doesn't score another goal this season. He took his lower deal to help Lombardi get Lucic for a year. He's not doing that again. He's going to be 25 by season's end. That's a couple years away from being a UFA.

Might be easier to see it going the Doughty route than something as simple as handing over Fort Knox to Kopitar.

I have been looking at E. Kane today and would not be shocked if TT's next deal is like Kane's current one

 

[King'sPawn]

Thinking about our pipeline, I looked back at our 2013 draft class. Lombardi had 10 picks that year. This is how it turned out:

2nd, 3rd, 4th-round picks - Zykov, gone to Carolina with our 2016 first (Gauthier) for Versteeg
4th round - Justin Auger, prospect
4th round - Hudson Fasching, part of trade for McNabb, Parker and 2 2nds, who ended up being Alex Lintuniemi and Erik Cernak, prospects
5th round - Patrik Bartosak, gone due to his own actions
5th round - Jonny Brodzinski, prospect
6th round - Zac Leslie, prospect
7th round - Dominik Kubalik, unlikely to ever come over
7th round - traded for what ended up being Chaz Reddekopp, prospect

So out of 10 picks, we have Auger, Lintuniemi, Cernak, Brodzinski, Leslie, and Reddekopp still in our pipeline. Of those, Cernak and Brodzinski have the best chance of reaching the NHL, with Auger a possibility. Of course, the others could surprise us. At first, I thought it was a poor year because of the Zykov trade, Bartosak self-combustion, and Fasching loss, but the Carter trade (our 1st to Columbus) and Cernak return helped offset those.

Prospects who, at this point, appear to have a reasonably good chance of making the NHL:
2013 - Brodzinski
2014 - Kempe, Amadio
2015 - Cernak
2016 - Clague

(A couple of others, it's too early to tell.) Solid players, but no forward gamebreakers. Our only 1st is Kempe, who in his 2nd year with our AHL team, currently has .39 PPG. For comparison, our 2012 1st, Tanner Pearson, had .78 PPG in his 2nd year with our AHL team.

Reddekopp is having a great season. Just turned 20, but he has 33 points in 36 games. 6'4, so he has great size.

Some of these prospects just need time to mature and develop.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm actually super bummed about Bartosak's situation. guy had a pound of talent but really blew it.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Do you think Seto gets sent to Ontario when TT returns or is there an open roster spot?Got to like Seto's hustle, but he needs to find himself on the scoresheet way more often.

 

[YP44]

Do you think Seto gets sent to Ontario when TT returns or is there an open roster spot?Got to like Seto's hustle, but he needs to find himself on the scoresheet way more often.

I hope Gilbert gets waived.

LA is carrying 8 d right now and most teams prefer to carry 7. Gravel does not need waivers but I hope his performance allows him to stay up.

Wouldn't surprise me if a minor deal went down to send Gilbert out.

 

[dryz]

I'm actually super bummed about Bartosak's situation. guy had a pound of talent but really blew it.

Well, he is absolutely fantastic for my team in czech league. He wants to play in the NHL though and said all his issues in US are resolved. He can return any time he wants. Too bad Kings are done with him.

 

[YP44]

Well, he is absolutely fantastic for my team in czech league. He wants to play in the NHL though and said all his issues in US are resolved. He can return any time he wants. Too bad Kings are done with him.

Does LA still hold his rights? Can they be included in a deal

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well, he is absolutely fantastic for my team in czech league. He wants to play in the NHL though and said all his issues in US are resolved. He can return any time he wants. Too bad Kings are done with him.

What's too bad is that he had to beat up his girlfriend. If he wasn't an abusive jackass, he likely would have been in the NHL this season.