2015 NHL Entry Draft

[Oil For The Boys]

Can someone who has watched Crouse play more than I (all I've seen of him was at the recent WJC) comment on why he's so highly regarded. I like his game a lot but a top 5 or even top 10 pick for him seems absurd especially with all the talent available.

Nick Ritchie didn't get picked until 10th last year in a much weaker draft and he seems like a similar type player who had better offensive numbers.

Crouse is a good prospect, but when you're drafting in the top 5 would you rather draft an 80 point skilled forward or a 40 point powerforward? I can't imagine Crouse going in the top 10, no matter what the rankings say. I've seen Kingston play once this season, he scored a nice goal from the top of the circle, but I don't see his offensive game translating very well at the next level.

Marner and Strome are great prospects and will likely be good NHL players, but I don't see their game translating as well to the NHL as people think. One player I think that is going to get drafted really high is Ivan Provorov from the Brandon Wheat Kings. He reminds me a lot of Olli Maatta and I think he could be a difference maker sooner than later.

 

[BK201]

Are they the same group that gave Jeremy Roy at a B ranking and his brother Nick an A? (Honest question)

yes

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=739668

 

[benjiv1]

Here's the thing about players like Strome/Marner/Barzal, you are far more likely to end up with players like Sam Gagner and Mikael Boedker, than you are Claude Giroux, especially when you are talking about the sub 6ft, 200lbs players.

Everyone and their dog wants to draft high-end 80pt players, but it scarcely happens in the first round, especially outside of the top 3 picks.

IMO, you should be finding a balance between highest potential and likeliness to reach that potential, and that's why people like Bob Mckenzie are so high on Crouse.

 

[SaltyPete]

Here's the thing about players like Strome/Marner/Barzal, you are far more likely to end up with players like Sam Gagner and Mikael Boedker, than you are Claude Giroux, especially when you are talking about the sub 6ft, 200lbs players.

Everyone and their dog wants to draft high-end 80pt players, but it scarcely happens in the first round, especially outside of the top 3 picks.

IMO, you should be finding a balance between highest potential and likeliness to reach that potential, and that's why people like Bob Mckenzie are so high on Crouse.

Just for clarity, where about do you rank Crouse out of all the 2015 prospects?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Crouse is a good prospect, but when you're drafting in the top 5 would you rather draft an 80 point skilled forward or a 40 point powerforward? I can't imagine Crouse going in the top 10, no matter what the rankings say. I've seen Kingston play once this season, he scored a nice goal from the top of the circle, but I don't see his offensive game translating very well at the next level.

Marner and Strome are great prospects and will likely be good NHL players, but I don't see their game translating as well to the NHL as people think. One player I think that is going to get drafted really high is Ivan Provorov from the Brandon Wheat Kings. He reminds me a lot of Olli Maatta and I think he could be a difference maker sooner than later.

Outside of the top 2 picks no one can say if a player will turn into an 80 point or 4 point player

We can project, we can guess, but nobody knows. If people knew Filatov wouldn't have gone as early as he did for example

The ISS thinks Crouze has a very high ceiling and a lot of others do as well. Generally speaking, those who don't don't seem to have seen a lot of him play.

 

[benjiv1]

Just for clarity, where about do you rank Crouse out of all the 2015 prospects?

I waiver on it, where I rank him, and where I would draft him are different.

Put it this way, if I had the 6th overall pick, and McDavid, Eichel, Hannifin, Strome and and Marner are gone, I trade back to 10th and take him.

I think Crouse could be better than Gabriel Landeskog. (and I was really high on Landeskog, even before he jumped up the draft rankings)

Injuries aside, who would you rather on your team in a playoff series, RNH or Landeskog?

 

[Tuna99]

Crouse argument comes down to who is the best player versus who is the most talented player.

Who would you draft - Yakupov (Most Talented in his draft) or Murray (best player in his draft)

This is the thing with Bobby Ryan and Kessel - one definitely has more talent but who is the better player? I've said all along it's Ryan because he's a leader, he hits, he plays D and he hustles, Kessel cherry picks the blueline and looks for hilites. Same with Alfie vs Heatley, Ovechkin vs a Hossa/Carter type, who's actually the better player???

Crouse is a stud player - a Max Pacioretty type, and you need size and weight to win in the NHL. We aren't going to win the Cup by adding 3 more Kyle Turris's, at some point you need to add size and weight that can score and the big guys take longer to develop but when you have them they are worth their weight in gold.

 

[benjiv1]

Crouse argument comes down to who is the best player versus who is the most talented player.

Who would you draft - Yakupov (Most Talented in his draft) or Murray (best player in his draft)

This is the thing with Bobby Ryan and Kessel - one definitely has more talent but who is the better player? I've said all along it's Ryan because he's a leader, he hits, he plays D and he hustles, Kessel cherry picks the blueline and looks for hilites. Same with Alfie vs Heatley, Ovechkin vs a Hossa/Carter type, who's actually the better player???

Crouse is a stud player - a Max Pacioretty type, and you need size and weight to win in the NHL. We aren't going to win the Cup by adding 3 more Kyle Turris's, at some point you need to add size and weight that can score and the big guys take longer to develop but when you have them they are worth their weight in gold.

I normally don't agree with you, but this 1000%.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We won't be getting Crouse anyway

A lot of well informed people are very high on him

 

[Tuna99]

We won't be getting Crouse anyway

A lot of well informed people are very high on him

I've heard he's a sure fire top 3 pick from many pundits - who wouldn't want a huge, smart, coachable scoring winger?

Ottawa does but we call him Todd Bertuzzi

 

[benjiv1]

We won't be getting Crouse anyway

A lot of well informed people are very high on him

See, I'm not so sure on that 1.

Ultimately, it will depend on where we pick, but players like Crouse, rarely go top 5.

 

[BK201]

I have no problem with crouse. I really can't tell you what he looks like in junior but I'm an advocate for us to take a Center.

 

[aragorn]

Crouse argument comes down to who is the best player versus who is the most talented player.

Who would you draft - Yakupov (Most Talented in his draft) or Murray (best player in his draft)

This is the thing with Bobby Ryan and Kessel - one definitely has more talent but who is the better player? I've said all along it's Ryan because he's a leader, he hits, he plays D and he hustles, Kessel cherry picks the blueline and looks for hilites. Same with Alfie vs Heatley, Ovechkin vs a Hossa/Carter type, who's actually the better player???

Crouse is a stud player - a Max Pacioretty type, and you need size and weight to win in the NHL. We aren't going to win the Cup by adding 3 more Kyle Turris's, at some point you need to add size and weight that can score and the big guys take longer to develop but when you have them they are worth their weight in gold.

 

[HSF]

I would say Crouse looked more like an nhl player than Ritchie... he seems to have it all just needs to put it together

 

[BK201]

I'll tell you the more I read about Crouse the more I think he's what the senators like to draft.

 

[HSF]

people also questioned getzlaf offensive output when drafted

not saying Crouse will be a getzlaf but the kid has it all and has shown to be a finisher just not consistency.

He needs to pick up the offense in this back half for him to be a top 10 pick but he can certainly do it

 

[Do Make Say Think]

See, I'm not so sure on that 1.

Ultimately, it will depend on where we pick, but players like Crouse, rarely go top 5.

Bob McKenzie had him getting picked 5th even before all the brouhaha over him

A lot of people think very highly of him

 

[BK201]

Bob McKenzie had him getting picked 5th even before all the brouhaha over him

A lot of people think very highly of him

picked? or ranked? it's a little different. not to sound like a pretentious ass.

 

[Tuna99]

Bob McKenzie had him getting picked 5th even before all the brouhaha over him

A lot of people think very highly of him

and now that the NHL is a big mans league (L.A. Kings) instead of a small mans league (Ottawa and Buffalo) i think we'll see Crouse gone in the top 5 for sure.

 

[aragorn]

picked? or ranked? it's a little different. not to sound like a pretentious ass.

MacKenzie had him ranked 5th on his list, Button had him ranked 18th just to show you the difference but that was before the WJC. I imagine Button will have him in the top 10 in his next ranking. I thought Ottawa would be drafting around the 10th to 15th place before the yr started but the way they are playing now they could end up in the top 10. If that is the case I'm not sure if they will be able to get Strome but they could be in a position to get Crouse, even trade up if need be. MacKenzie says he has a high hockey IQ as well as all his physical attributes & potential scoring ability which I think we will see more of next season.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

and now that the NHL is a big mans league (L.A. Kings) instead of a small mans league (Ottawa and Buffalo) i think we'll see Crouse gone in the top 5 for sure.

Lol Ottawa is pretty big.

 

[Tuna99]

Lol Ottawa is pretty big.

I meant the old team, but that being said we could use a lot more sandpaper. We don't have a player that gets us going physically, we don't ever start a game with a big hit and never seem to be able to antagonize the other team.

I'd say we are soft, the team plays hard, but Ottawa is a soft team

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

Crouse argument comes down to who is the best player versus who is the most talented player.

Who would you draft - Yakupov (Most Talented in his draft) or Murray (best player in his draft)

This is the thing with Bobby Ryan and Kessel - one definitely has more talent but who is the better player? I've said all along it's Ryan because he's a leader, he hits, he plays D and he hustles, Kessel cherry picks the blueline and looks for hilites. Same with Alfie vs Heatley, Ovechkin vs a Hossa/Carter type, who's actually the better player???

Crouse is a stud player - a Max Pacioretty type, and you need size and weight to win in the NHL. We aren't going to win the Cup by adding 3 more Kyle Turris's, at some point you need to add size and weight that can score and the big guys take longer to develop but when you have them they are worth their weight in gold.

You need both types of players to be contenders. Kessel is like Kane, but Kane is winning cups. It's because Kane has Alfie type players on his team (Toews, Hossa) so all he has to worry about his offense. As you mentioned, we have a beast in Ryan already, and other heart and soul players like Macarthur and Methot (when healthy).

If we get a Kane/Kessel type of player to lead the offense, we will be a much better team. IMO Marner/Strome can be that kind of player for us.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Lol Ottawa is pretty big.

I was thinking about this today

We are big on the backend and our backend isn't very good and most of our bigger forwards aren't very good either

We might be one of the biggest teams in the NHL but it doesn't do much good if your size isn't very talented

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

You need both types of players to be contenders. Kessel is like Kane, but Kane is winning cups. It's because Kane has Alfie type players on his team (Toews, Hossa) so all he has to worry about his offense. As you mentioned, we have a beast in Ryan already, and other heart and soul players like Macarthur and Methot (when healthy).

If we get a Kane/Kessel type of player to lead the offense, we will be a much better team. IMO Marner/Strome can be that kind of player for us.

You want a player like Kessel to lead this team? Lol, you're asking for your own failure.

Regardless, it doesn't matter because I'm saying this now. We are going to win the lottery, and draft McDavid.