Prospect Info: 2015 NHL Entry Draft Thread | It's The Final Countdown: TODAY!

[Grant McCagg]

Didn't hear your show but it has to be better than Button's TSN mock draft show where we take Samsanov at 16. Puke

i don't necessarily disagree with that choice. Not like the prospect cupboard is bare..do you really need another forward prospect for instnceas opposed to a terrific young goalie prospect? I say they go D or goalie with that pick.

Samsonov is a very solid prospect..one of the bet goalies in recent drafts. EDM has three picks in the top 33..I'd be looking at it.

 

[CornKicker]

Samsanov is not a massive reach at #16, judging by most rankings.

i feel like if the oilers really want Samsonov they will have to take him at 16 because i would bet there is no way Buffalo, with similar goalies in the system issues, will pass on him at 21 or 31.

i dont agree with it though because i feel like there is better ways to use 16 and use 33 on blackwood or Vladar in the later rounds

 

[J4M13M]

Hey there, thanks for linking to my video (and thanks for calling me nice)

I've actually made several videos of the prospects for this draft year. I'm trying to make one more before the draft, Jacob Larsson. My full video list can be found here if you want to browse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhc-xIebM98&list=PL5zIiRZ730cdc-SMSe2Uk2MpefooATIPC

I believe I have videos on 43 or 44 prospects.

Regarding Roy, unfortunately, it's not a very good game of his. I try to get games where prospects have a good statistical output. Otherwise, I try to be as objective as possible. Consequently, I didn't want to make a different video on Roy after seeing a generally bad game, because then it would feel like I was trying to be more biased, by trying to "pick a better game for one player."

Also, as an aside, in a couple of my videos, I do lay into Oiler management, but the remarks were made before Chiarelli; I know it's been tough on the Oilers fans and I definitely wasn't making my remarks to criticize you. You guys deserved better, and you got better

Anyway, I know a lot of my commentary is pretty brutal. I'm pretty nervous when I talk and with this being the first season I provided commentary, I was trying to find a rhythm for what works. I'd like to think I get better as the season progresses, and my later videos does have some guest commentary which is much better than mine.

I hope you find the videos useful as you debate your favorite picks.

Extremely useful, thanks for sharing your work!!

I watched the Jakub Zboril video and it showed a couple things I wanted to point out previously. One, he plays both left and right, based on who his partner is. Two, Zboril's style of play is very consistent, but there are minor differences based on who his partner is. When he was paired with Olivier Leblanc, he wandered more to find dangerous players, and left more to his partner in front. When he played with rookie Luke Green, he was more careful. When playing with Thomas Chabot, he was more of a defensive mindest until he hit the offensive zone (when his focus changed to "get open"), in a support role. He is really the best of a good lot in Saint John. I like Chabot a lot, I just like Zboril a little bit more.

tl;dr: I like Zboril a lot at pick #16.

Of note, on Zboril's first goal, all 5 players who had just finished the PP are 2015 draft eligibles, and all are ranked by CSB. Add in Sam Dove-McFalls and Mathieu Joseph, and the next 2 years are looking very bright in Saint John!

 

[Beerfish]

I would have zero problem if they took Samsonov at 16. If they think he is going to be a true franchise guy then go for it.

 

[Game 8]

I would have zero problem if they took Samsonov at 16. If they think he is going to be a true franchise guy then go for it.

By the scouting reports he is the only potential franchise player available in that spot. He would be the wise choice!

 

[Grant McCagg]

i feel like if the oilers really want Samsonov they will have to take him at 16 because i would bet there is no way Buffalo, with similar goalies in the system issues, will pass on him at 21 or 31.

i dont agree with it though because i feel like there is better ways to use 16 and use 33 on blackwood or Vladar in the later rounds

I don't see Blackwood being there at 33...Vladar is a gamble..very average last two tournaments.

 

[Lacaar]

I will be jacked if they get him at 16... Top forward and top goalie prospect in the draft?? That is sweet. Dont fool yourselves with all the fancy new players out there - after say Konecny at around 13, there are fewer and fewer sure things. Im not saying Samsonov is a sure thing, but he does address a SEVERE organizational need. Then BPA at 33 and or maybe move up in the 2nd with the 3rds as trade ammo.

Sign Beauchemin and or Franson, and Niemi. Dont give up assets YET for adequate goalie or Dmen. Sometimes it is better to rent. Belesky is also an interesting younger prospect who showed great on the playoff stage.

If you really think Samsonov is on the same level as those around him then I'd take him.

I just don't think that's the case.

Honestly I don't recall any goalies getting a sniff of first round action this whole year. It was hailed as a strong draft class with a weak goaltending class.

I looked at draft rankings all year and not a friggin sniff of a goalie in most or even all. At least all that I remember.

Bob Mackenzie doesn't even have Samsonov on his mid term rankings.

http://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-the-unanimous-no-1-in-tsn-s-mid-season-ranking-1.193058

Craig Button doesn't have Samsonov on his april rankings.
http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-suspenseful-race-for-no-3-1.249965

And neither of them had a goalie going in the top 30!

Then the end of year rankings come out and Samsonov is the guy. He comes out of nowhere like there's a need to a special goaltender.

Something stinks so I'm completely against taking Samsonov with the 16.

Everytime this team tries to draft for SEVERE need in its depth department it gets roasted.

I can just see us drafting Samsonov to have Broissoit take over the NHL job and us having the 2 headed goalie monster like Vancouver and multiple other teams have. Forced to trade one for peanuts.

Then thinking why the hell did we draft a goalie then.

 

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[McDoused]

Is Svechnikov a dman?

May want to read the last post again.

I read your post just fine. I'm baffled that such a big time poster actually believes that teams should stay away from QMJHL dmen. I guess you should tell every single scouting agency that they have it wrong by having Roy, Zboril, Chabot and Meloche all in the discussion for first round picks.

This reminds me of a few years ago when posters wanted to stay away from American forwards.

 

[Jumptheshark]

made me laugh

 

[lakai17]

There really is something to say about Meloche being underrated. Either way looks like an exceptional year out of the Q for defensman, definitely a rarity. For that I'm a bit skeptical but it's hard to argue with solid scouting reports from those who are paid to analyze the game.

If Meloche makes it to the second round he'll be a steal for any team which is very likely considering the hype on offense for round 1. There will definitely be 2nd round steals in this draft.

Keep an eye on Finnish defenceman Sami Niku also.

It's the time to start developing depth in the minors now.

 

[oil Leaks]

Right now, I am really torn between Joel Eriksson Ek and Yevgeni Svechnikov.

 

[MCDAVIDISH]

Right now, I am really torn between Joel Eriksson Ek and Yevgeni Svechnikov.

I'd say Svechnikov is one I'd lean to and only because we have a glut of centers as it is. Really can't deny either that Svechnikov is more of a home run type of player with very high offensive ceiling. Picking him also might carry a little more risk however.

 

[oil Leaks]

I'd say Svechnikov is one I'd lean to and only because we have a glut of centers as it is. Really can't deny either that Svechnikov is more of a home run type of player with very high offensive ceiling. Picking him also might carry a little more risk however.

Would not be mad at all if the Oilers select Svechnikov.

 

[Philly85*]

Quite frankly I'm hoping Samsonov.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Does anyone know if there will be any streams for day 2 on NHL.com or anywhere

 

[Hockey Nightmare]

made me laugh

lmao I lost it when Gretzky appeared

 

[lakai17]

Guryanov has my interest as well, he can finish.

 

[s7ark]

Would not be mad at all if the Oilers select Svechnikov.

We'd have to put up with lots of LOILERS KEEP PICKING FORWARDS! BAD FOREVER! LOWE STILL IN CHARGE LOLZ!!!!!!11!1111111

But whatever. He's a hell of a player and size on the wings doesn't hurt at all.

I'd have no problem with taking him at 16, should they keep the pick.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

made me laugh

We can't even be mad lol

 

[s7ark]

Quite frankly I'm hoping Samsonov.

Him at 16 would be incredibly disappointing for me. That would be my worst case scenario.

 

[I am the Liquor]

I read your post just fine. I'm baffled that such a big time poster actually believes that teams should stay away from QMJHL dmen. I guess you should tell every single scouting agency that they have it wrong by having Roy, Zboril, Chabot and Meloche all in the discussion for first round picks.

This reminds me of a few years ago when posters wanted to stay away from American forwards.

It isnt a hard fast rule, but it is something to be aware of. You dont want to consider it at all because it doesnt jive with what you want. But it is what it is.

Our system is stuffed full to the brim with dprospects. We are going to have to start letting some of them go for nothing. There are better players available at that spot or even better still we move the pick for something that helps now.

 

[oil Leaks]

Him at 16 would be incredibly disappointing for me. That would be my worst case scenario.

Who do you have if the Oilers are picking 16? Assuming the Oilers cannot trade the pick.

 

[SK13]

TBH, the realistic board at 16 seems very overrated at the moment. The likes of Roy, Svechnikov, Merkely, Ek, etc look no better than the usual mid-first round fare.

If Timo Meier were to fall somehow, that's another story, but I don't see why any of these guys are particularly exciting.

 

[BlowbyBlow]

If you really think Samsonov is on the same level as those around him then I'd take him.

I just don't think that's the case.

Honestly I don't recall any goalies getting a sniff of first round action this whole year. It was hailed as a strong draft class with a weak goaltending class.

I looked at draft rankings all year and not a friggin sniff of a goalie in most or even all. At least all that I remember.

Bob Mackenzie doesn't even have Samsonov on his mid term rankings.

http://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-the-unanimous-no-1-in-tsn-s-mid-season-ranking-1.193058

Craig Button doesn't have Samsonov on his april rankings.
http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-suspenseful-race-for-no-3-1.249965

And neither of them had a goalie going in the top 30!

Then the end of year rankings come out and Samsonov is the guy. He comes out of nowhere like there's a need to a special goaltender.

Something stinks so I'm completely against taking Samsonov with the 16.

Everytime this team tries to draft for SEVERE need in its depth department it gets roasted.

I can just see us drafting Samsonov to have Broissoit take over the NHL job and us having the 2 headed goalie monster like Vancouver and multiple other teams have. Forced to trade one for peanuts.

Then thinking why the hell did we draft a goalie then.

I never believe you draft for need, it should be BPA with one caveat, in later rounds (3rd, 4th, 5th) when the ability of that player to reach his full potential is more evident and more of possibility in relation to time, and resources (i.e. drafting from North America vs overseas.

This doesn't exclude over agers or players gone back in the draft when both a young player and older player may be equal at a certain time based on qualitative aspects such as character and leadership.

Though each year in these same rounds your going to see the same middling prospects, and if anyone turns out your happy as hell.

Much like a good stock its not going to be a penny stock that goes to the moon, SO you do draft goalies or d-man high (but i think you have to add aspects such as motivation, work ethic, upbringing, ect) - no one ever talks about how hard and long of a journey it is to be a goalie or even a top tier d-man.

No manager in history cares 3-5 years (typically if not longer it takes to develop a goalie he reaches development), if you have to many goalies or d-man look at Chicago - case example of goaltending (when Crawford was ****ting the bed)

A GM will tell you he wants 3 goalies (not 2) fighting for a starting job.