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Prospect Info: 2015 Draft Thread

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gnarls barkley said:
that's fine - but the question is will he be on the board by #13, and if not (heard a lot about him going at 8-10), would we be giving up too much to get into the top 10?
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There were some rumors that Dean was trying to move into the top 7 ......something about using Forbort to get there.....
 
Knight of the Realm said:
Seems like huge over-payment to me. Martinez is a legit NHL defenseman. If Philly wants him they can give LA the 7 OA straight up.
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Slightly overpaid 2nd/3rd pairing tweeners don't garner top 10 draft picks, and especially not in this draft. Martinez probably is worth a lot less then you realize.

The price to get into the top 10 is going to be nothing short of steep regardless.
 
Anonymous028 said:
Slightly overpaid 2nd/3rd pairing tweeners don't garner top 10 draft picks, and especially not in this draft. Martinez probably is worth a lot less then you realize.

The price to get into the top 10 is going to be nothing short of steep regardless.
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IF that's the case than keep the pick at 13. Still going to get a good player in Connor/Konecny/Meier.

I think Martinez falls somewhere over what many of his naysayers think and under what many of his supporters think.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
IF that's the case than keep the pick at 13. Still going to get a good player in Connor/Konecny/Meier.

I think Martinez falls somewhere over what many of his naysayers think and under what many of his supporters think.
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Yeah there are gonna be some real good players there at 13. No way I'd trade Martinez to move up unless the real point of the deal was to shed some contract. But I don't actually believe Martinez is overpaid. If the idea is to free up enough space to sign sekera at 6 or 7 mil. Then Martinez at 4 might be a better option anyways.
 
Rusty Batch said:
Yeah there are gonna be some real good players there at 13. No way I'd trade Martinez to move up unless the real point of the deal was to shed some contract. But I don't actually believe Martinez is overpaid. If the idea is to free up enough space to sign sekera at 6 or 7 mil. Then Martinez at 4 might be a better option anyways.
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there's no way Sekera is paid 7

I think 6.5 is the top end of what he's gonna get, and my money is more along the lines of something like 5x7 or 5.5x5
 
Knight of the Realm said:
I think Philly is up against the cap too tho.
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It doesn't have to necessarily be with Philadelphia, but as long as the end result is that Los Angeles is allowed to move up into the top 10 draft slot then I'm fine with it. Like the one I've personally been hung up on is the thought of Martinez and #13 being involved in some kind of deal with Columbus for #8.

Columbus is apparently looking for defensive help and are on the verge of losing Mike Reilly to free agency. So getting a former Miami-Ohio player like Martinez that is still in his prime at 27 with a successful playoff resume in return for moving down five spots might be worth it for them. Consider also that they had a taste of the playoffs recently too so they might not want to wait for a prospect they select here to pan out and instead look for immediate help.

If the organization also views Andrej Sekera as an upgrade to what Martinez brings then you're freeing up his cap commitment of $4 million to re-invest towards signing Sekera for $5 million? $5.5 million?

So the potential end result could be that the team moves up to get a top 10 pick to choose a coveted prospect and opens up cap space to re-sign what might be considered the better defender in Sekera. Depending on the peripheral costs to make a deal like that it could work out well for the Kings.
 
Primakov! said:
It doesn't have to necessarily be with Philadelphia, but as long as the end result is that Los Angeles is allowed to move up into the top 10 draft slot then I'm fine with it. Like the one I've personally been hung up on is the thought of Martinez and #13 being involved in some kind of deal with Columbus for #8.

Columbus is apparently looking for defensive help and are on the verge of losing Mike Reilly to free agency. So getting a former Miami-Ohio player like Martinez that is still in his prime at 27 with a successful playoff resume in return for moving down five spots might be worth it for them. Consider also that they had a taste of the playoffs recently too so they might not want to wait for a prospect they select here to pan out and instead look for immediate help.

If the organization also views Andrej Sekera as an upgrade to what Martinez brings then you're freeing up his cap commitment of $4 million to re-invest towards signing Sekera for $5 million? $5.5 million?

So the potential end result could be that the team moves up to get a top 10 pick to choose a coveted prospect and opens up cap space to re-sign what might be considered the better defender in Sekera. Depending on the peripheral costs to make a deal like that it could work out well for the Kings.
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I just have a real hard time believing Sekera is going to take that contract when he is a ufa. I gotta think he can get 7ish as a ufa. Just way to many teams desperate for defenseman. He might be willing to take a discount based on the couple months he spent here. But it's hard to believe he's willing to take that big of one.
 
Rusty Batch said:
I just have a real hard time believing Sekera is going to take that contract when he is a ufa. I gotta think he can get 7ish as a ufa. Just way to many teams desperate for defenseman. He might be willing to take a discount based on the couple months he spent here. But it's hard to believe he's willing to take that big of one.
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If you do a comparison of where a $7 million cap hit falls in line with other defenseman around the league then I think that's high.

Shea Weber - $7,857,142
Ryan Suter - $7,538,461
Kris Letang - $7,250,000
Brian Campbell - $7,142,875
Dion Phaneuf - $7,000,000
Drew Doughty - $7,000,000
Zdeno Chara - $6,916,667
Alex Pietrangelo - $6,500,000
Erik Karlsson - $6,500,000

Also consider that when Lombardi was talking about how negotiations were going with Andrej Sekera in an interview he said the number they were asking for in negotiations was "reasonable" and something he could work with. And granted it's a relative term with no exact numbers involved, I don't think Lombardi would classify it that way if Sekera was asking for the same kind of figure as Drew Doughty -- even on an AAV basis.
 
Primakov! said:
If you do a comparison of where a $7 million cap hit falls in line with other defenseman around the league then I think that's high.

Shea Weber - $7,857,142
Ryan Suter - $7,538,461
Kris Letang - $7,250,000
Brian Campbell - $7,142,875
Dion Phaneuf - $7,000,000
Drew Doughty - $7,000,000
Zdeno Chara - $6,916,667
Alex Pietrangelo - $6,500,000
Erik Karlsson - $6,500,000

Also consider that when Lombardi was talking about how negotiations were going with Andrej Sekera in an interview he said the number they were asking for in negotiations was "reasonable" and something he could work with. And granted it's a relative term with no exact numbers involved, I don't think Lombardi would classify it that way if Sekera was asking for the same kind of figure as Drew Doughty -- even on an AAV basis.
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I think a better comparison would be where $7 million falls in terms of cap hits at the time of signing. IE Campbell's cap hit is $7.1 million, but the percentage of the cap it consumes is less now than what it was at the time of the actual signing.

So how much big of a percentage of the cap Sekera is worth might be a better question.
 
kingsfan said:
I think a better comparison would be where $7 million falls in terms of cap hits at the time of signing. IE Campbell's cap hit is $7.1 million, but the percentage of the cap it consumes is less now than what it was at the time of the actual signing.

So how much big of a percentage of the cap Sekera is worth might be a better question.
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Perhaps I'm emphasizing too much on the terms, but if it's reasonable and workable within the structure that he foresees then I can't imagine it's going to be a bank buster.
 
I've read the number the Kings want to resign Sekera is from 4.5 to 4.8M. For Sekera to sign that, dang, he'd really want to stay a King.

As for trading AMart + 13 OV for 8 OV if the guy the Kings want is there at 8. I'm good with this. And I'm a big time Jazz Hands fan. Stanley Cup winning goal and all :D We've seen AMart grow as an NHL player from his first season. He keeps getting better too. When he signed his new contract, he was a 2nd pairing Dman. It was only after he got concussed that his play suffered. I expect him to be 2nd pairing again, someplace. He deserves it. He's earned it.
 
Primakov! said:
If you do a comparison of where a $7 million cap hit falls in line with other defenseman around the league then I think that's high.

Shea Weber - $7,857,142
Ryan Suter - $7,538,461
Kris Letang - $7,250,000
Brian Campbell - $7,142,875
Dion Phaneuf - $7,000,000
Drew Doughty - $7,000,000
Zdeno Chara - $6,916,667
Alex Pietrangelo - $6,500,000
Erik Karlsson - $6,500,000

Also consider that when Lombardi was talking about how negotiations were going with Andrej Sekera in an interview he said the number they were asking for in negotiations was "reasonable" and something he could work with. And granted it's a relative term with no exact numbers involved, I don't think Lombardi would classify it that way if Sekera was asking for the same kind of figure as Drew Doughty -- even on an AAV basis.
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You would really have to look at contracts signed within the last year. Those examples u posted are not a good indication of what Sekera will get.
 
Primakov! said:
It doesn't have to necessarily be with Philadelphia, but as long as the end result is that Los Angeles is allowed to move up into the top 10 draft slot then I'm fine with it. Like the one I've personally been hung up on is the thought of Martinez and #13 being involved in some kind of deal with Columbus for #8.

Columbus is apparently looking for defensive help and are on the verge of losing Mike Reilly to free agency. So getting a former Miami-Ohio player like Martinez that is still in his prime at 27 with a successful playoff resume in return for moving down five spots might be worth it for them. Consider also that they had a taste of the playoffs recently too so they might not want to wait for a prospect they select here to pan out and instead look for immediate help.

If the organization also views Andrej Sekera as an upgrade to what Martinez brings then you're freeing up his cap commitment of $4 million to re-invest towards signing Sekera for $5 million? $5.5 million?

So the potential end result could be that the team moves up to get a top 10 pick to choose a coveted prospect and opens up cap space to re-sign what might be considered the better defender in Sekera. Depending on the peripheral costs to make a deal like that it could work out well for the Kings.
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Makes sense enough. Especially with the Reilly interest. They are both offensive guys.

DD Muzzin
Sekera McNabb
Reilly Greene
Forbort (Voynov can slot back in or get traded later if not convicted)

I just don't recall many guys like Martinez traded to move up in a draft. Usually it takes picks maybe a decent prospect. If a mainstream player is traded it's usually that player for the pick. Most of this is from recollection tho so I could be wrong.

Moving Martinez for a 2cd or 3rd seems more likely. Again, I think Martinez is more proven than a guy like Reilly and is on a comparatively decent contract for the NHL. If the Kings are forced to move salary, he could be in the mix I guess.
 
Why do some posters think its perfectly fine to slot Reilly straight onto our top 6 but object when the same is suggested of Forbort?
 
kingsfan said:
Why do some posters think its perfectly fine to slot Reilly straight onto our top 6 but object when the same is suggested of Forbort?
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I've advocated that in the past. I do think DL saw a lot of Reilly in the World Championship, could factor in the heavy pursuit.

Given he is an offensive defenseman in this scenario he makes more sense than Forbort.

The idea came up with him filling in for Martinez on the cheap as a puck moving pivot.
 
Read this on the Mayors site. Lombardi is pretty candid when it comes to draft mistakes and how the team learned from it:

Our first couple of years, we were developing our identity – as a team [and] as a staff. We drafted for need on a couple of occasions those first two years, and it was the wrong thing to do. We learned from it. You take the best player available, and sometimes that will mean you have four left wings, because they’re the best player available. I can tell you – we have not drafted for need for quite a long time. And we will not be drafting for need in any draft Mike [Futa] or I run.”
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If I had to guess, Hickey and Teubert would be in that category.
 
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