2015 Calgary Flames Training Camp Thread [Starts Thu Sept. 17]

[Johnny Hoxville]

That's a bit of a distortion of what Wotherspoon said:



Honestly, for the game Kylington plays, he needs confidence, but for the game Wotherspoon plays, simplcity can be very effective. One is a Hjalmarsson type and the other a Leddy type. You don't want Hjalmarsson thinking he can take 4 guys on at once, and you don't want Leddy just dumping the puck in every opportunity. Both players' mentality, to me, are fine and a part of what makes a good team.



He has the ceiling to be the second best or even tied for best player among all our prospects, but is a long ways away from realizing it. Right now besides Bennett I have the three goaltenders, Jankowski, and Hickey ahead of him as I think their ceilings are all very high themselves. But man, a draft+1 year of two-way consistency, even in CHL, would probably get that Oliver Kylington hype train to maglev speeds.

The distortion you quoted Wotherspoon as saying, actually backs up exactly what Hartley said. I take Tspoons comments as he got a talking to from Hartley saying you need to step up and set your goals higher than just being a bottom pairing guy. His comments that you quoted are reflective of that and essentially mirror what Hartley wants him to do.

I don't disagree with your assessment of their ceilings and who they are, but it's still a difference of mentalities. One thinks he is going to be great, the other is hoping to be an NHL regular. The best players in any sport have Kylingtons confidence.

To your last paragraph, solid reasoning and hard to argue. I'm just personally that high on Oliver right now but I really like all the players you listed a lot.

 

[Lunatik]

No, but it did indicate >1 kid. And even if more are going to go back tomorrow, I think that the surprise that they would send back one guy today is valid.

The one cut is odd for sure, but there is likely reasoning behind it. I am pretty sure AHL camps don't begin until closer to the weekend, so it makes no sense to cut those guys yet (probably will come Wednesday night/Thursday morning).

So that leaves us with CHL guys to cut. So that would be Mangiapane, Andersson, Kylington (maybe), McDonald and Schneider. Well when we look a little deeper we have a decision to make on Kylington so we want to keep him around. Andersson was our top draft pick and has played really well, so we want to keep him around a little while longer. McDonald is likely not going anywhere until Gillies is cleared to play. And once we release Schneider we can't sign him and from everything I have read he has looked very good, so they very well could be contemplating offering (or have offered) him an ELC and need more time. Where as with Mangiapane he played well enough to be at main camp and play in his first preseason game, but there is no illusions he will steal a spot and Barrie's season has already started. So why keep him around?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

^^^ Theoretically, could Andersson go to Stockton as well? Not saying it's likely, but I believe it would be possible (ie. Honka).

 

[FlamesFan18]

^^^ Theoretically, could Andersson go to Stockton as well? Not saying it's likely, but I believe it would be possible (ie. Honka).

IIRC, No.

 

[Lunatik]

^^^ Theoretically, could Andersson go to Stockton as well? Not saying it's likely, but I believe it would be possible (ie. Honka).

Andersson cannot go to Stockton this year since he was drafted out of the CHL. But he will be able to next year because he is a late '96 birthday.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Is it possible Mangiapane was sent back to the OHL to get ready for the season ? Their first game is Friday.

 

[Anglesmith]

Is it possible Mangiapane was sent back to the OHL to get ready for the season ? Their first game is Friday.

Yeah, I think 100TG nailed it. Mangiapane is the only CHL guy they wanted to send back at this point. Mason McDonald would've been cut as well if Gillies hadn't gotten hurt.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Anglesmith]

Aw hell naw.

 

[Gritty]

3-6 weeks apparently.

But he's able to keep skating in full gear to keep his conditioning up! (positives.)
Most likely late October.

 

[Anglesmith]

Here's some good news:

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Paully byronnnn

Hope we see a line of Byron-Backlund-Frolik

 

[Sean Monahan]

good thing we got Dougie

Wotherspoon also needs to step it up since he has a pretty good chance of making it

 

[Bileur]

Hey guys, just came over with a question. What do you guys see as a potential upside for Hunter Smith? Not much production in junior but the size sure is interesting.

 

[Calculon]

 

[Anglesmith]

Hey guys, just came over with a question. What do you guys see as a potential upside for Hunter Smith? Not much production in junior but the size sure is interesting.

He's shooting for a future fourth-line spot with his skill-set. His hands aren't the greatest, but he's by no means a dumb player and he has great physical gifts that he knows how to put to use.

 

[Lunatik]

That blue line is going to get torched

 

[Bouma Fett*]

That blue line is going to get torched

This game will be key for Ortio, this is where he needs to have a legendary performance.

 

[Lunatik]

The one cut is odd for sure, but there is likely reasoning behind it. I am pretty sure AHL camps don't begin until closer to the weekend, so it makes no sense to cut those guys yet (probably will come Wednesday night/Thursday morning).

So that leaves us with CHL guys to cut. So that would be Mangiapane, Andersson, Kylington (maybe), McDonald and Schneider. Well when we look a little deeper we have a decision to make on Kylington so we want to keep him around. Andersson was our top draft pick and has played really well, so we want to keep him around a little while longer. McDonald is likely not going anywhere until Gillies is cleared to play. And once we release Schneider we can't sign him and from everything I have read he has looked very good, so they very well could be contemplating offering (or have offered) him an ELC and need more time. Where as with Mangiapane he played well enough to be at main camp and play in his first preseason game, but there is no illusions he will steal a spot and Barrie's season has already started. So why keep him around?

I love when I am right

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

For the record, I'm still 100% against waiving Joni Ortio. But man, is pulling loose parallels between our team and the Blackhawks fun

In September 2009, the Blackhawks had three goaltenders fighting for two spots in Training Camp.

The aging (Franco-)Swiss "Starter", Cristobal Huet.
The Finn who won a Backup Spot, Antti Niemi, who was a UFA at the end of the season.
The Odd Man Out, Corey Crawford, who was still in his RFA years and cleared waivers.

We have:

The aging Swiss "Starter" Jonas Hiller.
The Finn, Karri Ramo who is a UFA at the end of the season.
Joni Ortio, who is an RFA at the end of the season and must clear waivers if we want to retain his rights.

 

[MonaHan Solo]

For the record, I'm still 100% against waiving Joni Ortio. But man, is pulling loose parallels between our team and the Blackhawks fun

In September 2009, the Blackhawks had three goaltenders fighting for two spots in Training Camp.

The aging (Franco-)Swiss "Starter", Cristobal Huet.
The Finn who won a Backup Spot, Antti Niemi, who was a UFA at the end of the season.
The Odd Man Out, Corey Crawford, who was still in his RFA years and cleared waivers.

We have:

The aging Swiss "Starter" Jonas Hiller.
The Finn, Karri Ramo who is a UFA at the end of the season.
Joni Ortio, who is an RFA at the end of the season and must clear waivers if we want to retain his rights.

 

[Kahvi]

Do you know if theres a stream for tonights game?

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Do you know if theres a stream for tonights game?

No.

From the Avs website:

Thursday’s exhibition game will not be televised, but it will have a radio broadcast available on the Altitude Radio Network—AM950 in the Denver metropolitan area and online for U.S. listeners at ColoradoAvalanche.com.

 

[Sean Monahan]

This game will be key for Ortio, this is where he needs to have a legendary performance.

and yup sounds like he did

 

[Lunatik]

and yup sounds like he did

I never got the impression once that it was a "legendary performance"

He played well sure but despite 33 shots it seemed like they never had any sustained pressure and most really good chances were stopped by the blueline.