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WJC: 2015 — USA Roster Talk II

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Just returns for a team that selects a prep school player over two proven first round CHL players that have gone deep Memorial Cup.
 
Pathetic is the only way to describe this result. Coaching staff couldn't make any adjustments, Eichel was frustrated as hell and tried to do everything himself, and many of the forwards were useless the entire tournament.

Incompetence from the coaches and youth are the two things that killed this team.
 
Snippit said:
Who's expected back next year?

Matthews, Werenski, Carlo, Hanifin?

D could be very good next year.
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Eligible:

Forwards
Eichel
Milano
Tuch
Matthews
Schmaltz
Larkin

Defense
Hanifin
Werenski
Carlo
Collins

Goaltenders
Halverson
Nedeljkovic
 
SMantzas said:
Did Wood look like he belonged (talking about the whole WJC)?
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No. He was consistently one of the worst American players on the ice. You could tell that he wasn't ready for the step up from high school hockey. Very poor decision by Team USA to choose him over others.
 
Habnot said:
Just returns for a team that selects a prep school player over two proven first round CHL players that have gone deep Memorial Cup.
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I love when people say this like CHL-loaded teams consistently win the U20 every year.
 
Nothing good to reminisce on from this tournament. Huge underachievers.

Potential look at next summer's camp roster:

Forwards (x24):

Brock Boeser
Paul Bittner
Anders Bjork
Jeremy Bracco
Kyle Connor
Christian Dvorak
Jack Eichel
Christian Fischer
Connor Garland
Ryan Hitchcock
Luke Kirwan
Luke Kunin
Ryan MacInnis
Adam Marsh
Auston Matthews
Sonny Milano
Tommy Novak
Jack Roslovic
Matthew Tkachuk
Alex Tuch
Dominic Turgeon
Brendan Warren
Colin White
Dennis Yan

Defense (x14):

Louie Belpedio
Brandon Carlo
Joseph Cecconi
Ryan Collins
Jack Dougherty
Brandon Fortunato
Jack Glover
Noah Hanifin
Aaron Haydon
Josh Jacobs
John MacLeod
Blake Siebenaler
Zach Werenski

Goalies (x4):

Brandon Halverson
Alex Nedeljkovic
Luke Opilka
Michael Lackey
 
The USA team showed almost no chemistry all tournament long.

It's too bad, because they actually played a very against Sweden in the pre-tournament game, so this is all on the coaching staff.

Very questionable on some of the players invited and overall adjustments in game were just atrocious.
 
SMantzas said:
Did Wood look like he belonged (talking about the whole WJC)?
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No. His skating is good for this level but that's about it. Handled the puck like a grenade for the most part.

It's not his fault though. Expecting a prep player whose season basically just started to fit in at this level was typical USAH trying to outsmart everyone with an off the wall pick.
 
Claypool said:
I love when people say this like CHL-loaded teams consistently win the U20 every year.
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You missed my point...this is not a discussion of CHL over NCAA.

Just that this year you had McCarron and Erne, veteran 1st round selections but preferred a 19 year prep school player. How a selection process allows this to happen is beyond reason.
 
Sindiggy said:
The USA team showed almost no chemistry all tournament long.

Very questionable on some of the players invited and overall adjustments in game were just atrocious.
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Basically boils down to this. Osiecki made no adjustments other than playing hot potato with the LWs till the 3rd period of the final game.

This was a young team but it's still inexcusable for the offensive output they had given the available talent.

The 5-3 on PK in the 1st period showed how outcoached this team was all tournament. You have a short d-man in Butcher with limited reach out there over Carlo, Hanifin or McCoshen. Then you have two centers but don't change one out after the faceoff win and clear. Was the staff surprised when right after they lost a front net battle for the goal?

Habnot said:
You missed my point...this is not a discussion of CHL over NCAA.

Just that this year you had McCarron and Erne, veteran 1st round selections but preferred a 19 year prep school player. How a selection process allows this to happen is beyond reason.
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It's USAH. We don't get the oversight that Hockey Canada faces unfortunately.
 
Habnot said:
You missed my point...this is not a discussion of CHL over NCAA.

Just that this year you had McCarron and Erne, veteran 1st round selections but preferred a 19 year prep school player. How a selection process allows this to happen is beyond reason.
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I wouldn't blame the tournament loss on a single player or two. Those players you mentioned didn't play well at camp (allegedly) so they got cut. Whatever. It happens.
 
Why is a kid who turned 19 years old in September still in high school anyway? That's one old high schooler. I've never heard of a kid getting drafted and then going back for two more years of prep school, I know he was one of the youngest players in his draft but it's still very strange.
 
Claypool said:
I wouldn't blame the tournament loss on a single player or two. Those players you mentioned didn't play well at camp (allegedly) so they got cut. Whatever. It happens.
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In a game like today, a single player can make a difference. McCarron/Erne playing with Eichel could of been the little scoring touch the US needed to win. They outshot the Russians by a large margin, but lacked finishing.

BTW - they both had excellent seasons and good camps - they were never in the plans.
 
Habnot said:
In a game like today, a single player can make a difference. McCarron/Erne playing with Eichel could of been the little scoring touch the US needed to win. They outshot the Russians by a large margin, but lacked finishing.

BTW - they both had excellent seasons and good camps - they were never in the plans.
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McCarron didn't have good camps. He was an early cut at the summer camp, earned his way back into the December camp and didn't perform. Erne wasn't at the summer camp and wasn't good at the December camp either. Granted, I still would have preferred either of them (plus others) over guys like Wood and Louis.

USAH's biggest problem with the selection process is they overthink things. They think they've found a revelation with Wood that no one is expecting yet he was in over his head just like everyone predicted. They think Louis is some sort of Kane-esque player, yethe's nowhere near as skilled, but then they play him as a checker. They think Motte is a top line forward, even though he's never been that for the NTDP or Michigan, because he road Eichel's coattails in meaningless exhibitions during the summer so they keep ramming that square peg in the round hole all tournament. Just head scratching decisions.
 
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Habnot said:
In a game like today, a single player can make a difference. McCarron/Erne playing with Eichel could of been the little scoring touch the US needed to win. They outshot the Russians by a large margin, but lacked finishing.

BTW - they both had excellent seasons and good camps - they were never in the plans.
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If neither player could beat out a inexperienced prep school players, as you put it, then I can't imagine they would have made a difference in today's game.
 
William H Bonney said:
McCarron didn't have good camps. He was an early cut at the summer camp, earned his way back into the December camp and didn't perform. Erne wasn't at the summer camp and wasn't good at the December camp either. Granted, I still would have preferred either of them (plus others) over guys like Wood and Louis.
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By all accounts McCarron had a good December camp but was not ever given good line mates. Clearly was out looking in.

You can try to rationalize this all you want but when you select a prep school player who's season is just starting and probably played under 10 games by the time the camps open over a player that played over 20 games and producing at 1.6 ppg clip in a vastly superior caliber - you have a big selection process issue that must manifest itself in the selection of other players. (Woods, Louis, Compher, Motte COMBINED HAD 1 ASSIST).

McCarron, Erne, Cassels would of made a difference.
 
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