WC: 2015 — Team Slovakia

[ebis]

Can we add more people to the roster?

Like who?

 

[SlovanHC]

Like who?

That's exactly what I'm thinking but wondering if we even can.

 

[jcbio11]

Zaborsky was never really interested in the national team, Nagy is injured and Marcel Hossa is... Marcel.

The national team isn't interested in Zaborsky.
Like what has he ever done in the NT

Anyway I of course wish him luck in his career, but it's not like he's a big loss like Reway or Nagy.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Can we add more people to the roster?

No, it's 3 goalies and 22 skaters maximum and we put Konrad and Baranka on the roster asides from Tatar and Jurco.

Anyway, we can not and should not be satisifed with getting 4 points from these two games (undepending on what you think about the way we played as the opinions vary on that point). It's only our 2nd playing day and we already have to calculate the possible, impossble and improbable scenarios how we can sneak in into the QF.

 

[SlovanHC]

No, it's 3 goalies and 22 skaters maximum and we put Konrad and Baranka on the roster asides from Tatar and Jurco.

Anyway, we can not and should not be satisifed with getting 4 points from these two games (undepending on what you think about the way we played as the opinions vary on that point). It's only our 2nd playing day and we already have to calculate the possible, impossble and improbable scenarios how we can sneak in into the QF.

I feel the same way but Belarus and Denmark were playing pretty good, full points against slovenia hopefully.

 

[geri]

anyway, slovakia is the leading team with most SOG 77,
but bad efficiency
canada had 76 SOG but scored 16 goals..even with the 10:0 against germany had only 34 SOG..
R Team GP GF SSG SOG SG%
1 CAN 2 16 60 76 21.05
2 SWE 2 12 54 66 18.18
3 RUS 2 11 60 71 15.49
4 CZE 2 9 54 63 14.29
5 AUT 2 5 37 42 11.90
6 BLR 2 5 39 44 11.36
7 USA 2 7 55 62 11.29
8 LAT 2 3 24 27 11.11
9 SLO 2 5 43 48 10.42
10 DEN 2 3 32 35 8.57
11 SUI 2 6 66 72 8.33
12 SVK 2 6 71 77 7.79
13 NOR 2 3 39 42 7.14
14 FIN 2 4 67 71 5.63
15 GER 2 2 41 43 4.65
16 FRA 2 2 43 45 4.44

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Exactly, one coach could handle him. Unfortunately, Bokros won't coach every team Reway plays for.

Since you mentioned Palffy specifically, I suppose you heard the same rumors. I didn't hear them on hokejportal, though maybe it spread from there. And like I said, I don't take them as a fact, they might be just rumors, I don't base my opinion on them.

So what we know for a fact: Reway has had multiple issues with various coaches in the past because of his discipline which even resulted in him being kicked out of the U18 national team (for not even attending practices). A respectable coach says that he wanted him on his team but was warned that's it's hard to get him to attend practice as he prefers drinking. And then the strange issue with Vujtek. I don't care if he was only 30 minutes late, he at least should have let the coaches know and Vujtek says he didn't. Reway mentions sending some text to the "media manager", but even if true, why send a text to some "media manager" (who probably has nothing to do with it) instead of calling any member of the coaching staff?

However all the stuff that you mention happened when he was 15-17 years old and I'd say that going for a beer instead of pactice at 15 and getting kicked offu18 NT due to discipline violations are a completely different problem than being 20 minutes late for a meeting due to traffic jams in Bratislava, just as the other problems Vujtek has had with Reway.

If I remember correctly Vujtek had comments about Reway leaving the game with head ache being strange back in February. However Reway didn't even play the next few games in the Czech league. It's true that he seems to be injured more than other players, but I think that it has to do with the way he plays despite his size. Perhaps if he played the kind of unphysical contactless hockey Libor Hudáček does, he would be injured less.

Reway has made his mistakes, but I've got the impression that due to his past and due to him being labeled as an enfant terrible even things that would be a non-issue are blown out of proportion by the fans, media and coaches. Like with him being late for that meeting, I'd dare to say that had it happened t any other player we might not have even heard about it.

Yes, calling the media manager sounds like a stupid move, but Vujtek's reaction that perhaps he told someone but not them seems almost equally stupid as that media manager is a part of the staff as well. The way they communicate is terrible.

Btw I find those quotes from Ciger kinda funny. I know he is Mr. Saint for Slovak fans nowadays thanks for his work with kids and due to him being very open when talking about slovak hockey, but it's not like he never had his "issues" as well, although perhaps of a different kind and that while being older than Reway today.

anyway, slovakia is the leading team with most SOG 77,
but bad efficiency
canada had 76 SOG but scored 16 goals..even with the 10:0 against germany had only 34 SOG..
R Team GP GF SSG SOG SG%
1 CAN 2 16 60 76 21.05
2 SWE 2 12 54 66 18.18
3 RUS 2 11 60 71 15.49
4 CZE 2 9 54 63 14.29
5 AUT 2 5 37 42 11.90
6 BLR 2 5 39 44 11.36
7 USA 2 7 55 62 11.29
8 LAT 2 3 24 27 11.11
9 SLO 2 5 43 48 10.42
10 DEN 2 3 32 35 8.57
11 SUI 2 6 66 72 8.33
12 SVK 2 6 71 77 7.79
13 NOR 2 3 39 42 7.14
14 FIN 2 4 67 71 5.63
15 GER 2 2 41 43 4.65
16 FRA 2 2 43 45 4.44

Yes, but at least 10 of those shots are Bartovic throwing the puck into toe goalie. But it's not just about him, they don't shoot from dangerous positions, they don't drive the net, they pass on the PP for 1 minute offering each other for the shot and finally they decide to play it on the guy who scored 2 goals this season (but the main thing is that the coach is satisfied with this impotent PP). One of the highlights yesterday was Daloga getting into the zone with his speed skating around the Belarussian net and then just having to give up the puck to the Belarussians as our forward were watching what he'd creae all by himself from afar instead of driving the net.

Also, after these two games Vujtek just has to end Kopecky's misery already. I have nothing but respect for the guy and he pours his heart out of the ice as ever and fullfills the job of a bottom 6 player well, but waiting for him to become a 1st line center and a key man on the powerplay seems to be like waiting for Marcel Hossa to become an offensive leader on the national team. I mean even poor Dano was lost with him and Gaborik. Splitting Kopecky and Gaborik might even help Gaborik, perhaps try playing Dano on center and add Panik to them, who can fullfill the task of pouring his heart like Kopecky and adds a bit more skill. Gaborik btw seemed so extremely frustrated yesterday that if he doesn't score tomorrow, he might blow up. I'm not gonna criticize the way he plays, I do however think that going for that PS yesterday was a mistake on his part and he didn't help his position with that. If some other player (except for Kopecky) went for that PS and didn't convert most people would probably just say oh well unlike with Gaborik failing in this aea for the 3rd time.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Vujtek is not planning to change the 1st line for tomorrow either

 

[Jakk123]

Vujtek is not planning to change the 1st line for tomorrow either

That´s suicide.

 

[Zelena]

Who is in the net against Slovenia?Laco?

 

[Faterson]

I hope so! We should stick with Laco until there's a reason to do otherwise. I've seen no reason to switch goaltenders so far. He got the 2 wins despite atrocious defence.

 

[Harv]

Need 3 points vs Slovenija. No excuses.

 

[Faterson]

The World Championships nicely show how lame the NHL is for giving 2 points for both regulation wins and overtime/shootout wins. It's the demand for regulation wins that creates a sense of urgency that makes the games so much more exciting to watch for the fans. The ability to win games in regulation is what helps separate good teams from excellent teams. Right now, it shows Slovakia's relative weakness. (Very similar to Slovan's weakness in the most recent KHL season – inability to get 3-point regulation wins even in "must-win" games against "easier" opponents.)

 

[Jakk123]

The World Championships nicely show how lame the NHL is for giving 2 points for both regulation wins and overtime/shootout wins. It's the demand for regulation wins that creates a sense of urgency that makes the games so much more exciting to watch for the fans. The ability to win games in regulation is what helps separate good teams from excellent teams. Right now, it shows Slovakia's relative weakness. (Very similar to Slovan's weakness in the most recent KHL season – inability to get 3-point regulation wins even in "must-win" games against "easier" opponents.)

I don´t think it´s stupid. In the NHL, you don´t lose any motivation heading into the OT, as you can still earn the full amount of points. A win is a win.

 

[Faterson]

Erm, what? Reading comprehension... That's exactly what's wrong with the NHL: you get the full amount of points, even though you failed to win a game in regulation. That's embarrassingly lame and forgiving and weak-assed... The motivation should be there to win every game in regulation, not in OT/shootout. That's what would create the urgency we can see in the World Championships these days – that Slovakia defeating Slovenia only in OT/SO tonight would be seen as a failure, unlike in the NHL, where it would be OK.

 

[Jakk123]

Erm, what? Reading comprehension... That's exactly what's wrong with the NHL: you get the full amount of points, even though you failed to win a game in regulation. That's embarrassingly lame and forgiving and weak-assed... The motivation should be there to win every game in regulation, not in OT/shootout. That's what would create the urgency we can see in the World Championships these days – that Slovakia defeating Slovenia only in OT/SO tonight would be seen as a failure, unlike in the NHL, where it would be OK.

Not sure what´s your issue with reading comprehension. I don´t understand how can you compare WC games, like Slovakia-Slovenia, with NHL games. Two points is the full amount of points in the NHL, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[Faterson]

Your reading comprehension, not mine: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=102095903#post102095903

PS: I do hope you will finally stop using dĺžeň for ', it's been giving me headaches in your posts for months.

 

[ebis]

However all the stuff that you mention happened when he was 15-17 years old and I'd say that going for a beer instead of pactice at 15 and getting kicked offu18 NT due to discipline violations are a completely different problem than being 20 minutes late for a meeting due to traffic jams in Bratislava, just as the other problems Vujtek has had with Reway.

If I remember correctly Vujtek had comments about Reway leaving the game with head ache being strange back in February. However Reway didn't even play the next few games in the Czech league. It's true that he seems to be injured more than other players, but I think that it has to do with the way he plays despite his size. Perhaps if he played the kind of unphysical contactless hockey Libor Hudáček does, he would be injured less.

Reway has made his mistakes, but I've got the impression that due to his past and due to him being labeled as an enfant terrible even things that would be a non-issue are blown out of proportion by the fans, media and coaches. Like with him being late for that meeting, I'd dare to say that had it happened t any other player we might not have even heard about it.

Yes, calling the media manager sounds like a stupid move, but Vujtek's reaction that perhaps he told someone but not them seems almost equally stupid as that media manager is a part of the staff as well. The way they communicate is terrible.

Btw I find those quotes from Ciger kinda funny. I know he is Mr. Saint for Slovak fans nowadays thanks for his work with kids and due to him being very open when talking about slovak hockey, but it's not like he never had his "issues" as well, although perhaps of a different kind and that while being older than Reway today.

Fair enough. But what "issues" did Ciger have? His only problem was that sometimes he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

 

[Jakk123]

Your reading comprehension, not mine: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=102095903#post102095903

PS: I do hope you will finally stop using dĺžeň for ', it's been giving me headaches in your posts for months.

I have absolutely no idea what are you trying to say with the reading comprehension, but whatever. The "´" issue, ran out of arguments, so you are trying to find something else or what? The two point system has been working for ages in the NHL, so I really don't get your hatred towards it. As you have previously stated, us winning in OT against Slovenia would be considered as a failure, but in an even league like the NHL is, there is no way winning in OT can be considered as a failure, so I see no reason for adapting the 3 point system.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Fair enough. But what "issues" did Ciger have? His only problem was that sometimes he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Well asides from that TV incident with the refs as a coach, AFAIK he did push a referee in a Slovak league game back in the day, he also got arrested once for appareantly physically attacking someone, though he denied and said that he was only helping him get up. Yeah, who knows what really happened, but most of those things about Reway are only rumours as well.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

I hope Hudáček stays with Gáborík moving forward.

 

[geri]

maybe they should hire some psychologs. it seems to me also problem is in mind, especially in games against underdogs we have so much problems.. in 3rd suddenly it worked

 

[Chara-3]

Kopecky benched 3rd period.

I wonder how the new lines will look like. Vujtek can't possibly put him back to 1st line. I would still try Dano at center.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

maybe they should hire some psychologs. it seems to me also problem is in mind, especially in games against underdogs we have so much problems.. in 3rd suddenly it worked

I'm pretty sure they have a mental coach.

 

[Faterson]

in an even league like the NHL is, there is no way winning in OT can be considered as a failure

That's exactly what I'm objecting to, and what's wrong and weak-assed about the NHL. Of course it's not considered a failure today, because you get 2 points for regulation wins and the same 2 points for OT wins in the NHL! So why would they bother winning any games in regulation? The current point system in the NHL rewards lazy, alibistic, leisurely play. It's only when teams would get 3 points for regulation wins in the NHL that OT wins would be seen as failures (particularly for home teams), because they would mean the loss of a point – that's exactly what I've been saying all along, and you didn't get it (again!).

The two point system has been working for ages in the NHL

The 2-point system (which was certainly OK, though not as exciting as the 3-point system) was canceled by the NHL several seasons ago. When did you start following the NHL, last week? The NHL now has an absurd, mixed 2-and-3-point system, where some games are worth 2 points, and other games 3 points, all for the sake of that fake parity you praised. I know of no other league, in any sport, that employs such a manifestly imbalanced point system. I couldn't believe it when they introduced that silliness several seasons ago – I wouldn't have thought it possible.

I have absolutely no idea what are you trying to say with the reading comprehension

That you frequently seem to be replying to other people's posts apparently without understanding what they said, or understanding the exact opposite of what they're saying. You've just done it again.

The "´" issue, ran out of arguments, so you are trying to find something else or what?

No, I'm saying it's annoying to use Slovak diacritic symbols in place of English ones when communicating in English. Just switch to the English keyboard or press AltGr+P to type '.