WJC: 2015 — Canada Roster Talk (Part V)

[Patmac40]

Those are the 2005 players. This team did not pass them in performance and has essentially no chance in terms of career performance.

My bad, read it quickly and thought it said 2005. In that case I'd say they'd surpass the 1995 roster but the 2005 one is practically untouchable.

 

[jabes]

Those are the 2005 players. This team did not pass them in performance and has essentially no chance in terms of career performance.

Performance was actually close as far as stats go. They could have come very close with talent and performance under the same circumstances if they added Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad, Horvat.

 

[newfy]

Performance was actually close as far as stats go. They could have come very close with talent and performance under the same circumstances if they added Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad, Horvat.

Yep stats wise, it was very close to the same domination but not quite there. If you had a lockout added Ekblad, Mackinnon, Drouin and potentially Bennet doesnt get hurt I think youre looking at a more dominant team than 2005.

Career wise it will be hard to top that group but world juniors wise, this team was pretty damn close

 

[JackSlater]

Performance was actually close as far as stats go. They could have come very close with talent and performance under the same circumstances if they added Mackinnon, Drouin, Ekblad, Horvat.

The performance wasn't very close. 2015 had GF 39 GA 6 in seven games compared to 2005 GF 42 GA 7 in six games, with the most significant difference being that Canada 2015 had to play Denmark in the quarterfinals, while Canada 2005 had a bye right to the semi finals. The 2005 team never came remotely close to losing and destroyed Russia featuring a 19 year old Ovechkin and an 18 year old Malkin, while we all saw what 2015 Canada did against a standard Russian team. There's no comparison statistically or otherwise.

Yep stats wise, it was very close to the same domination but not quite there. If you had a lockout added Ekblad, Mackinnon, Drouin and potentially Bennet doesnt get hurt I think youre looking at a more dominant team than 2005.

Career wise it will be hard to top that group but world juniors wise, this team was pretty damn close

Add all of the players and plenty of years look like they could potentially challenge 2005, but who knows. 2010 could have had something like Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Kane, O'Reilly, Myers, Del Zotto, Hodgson all added to it if they were not in the NHL and healthy, but we don't know.

People forget that the 2005 team was missing players as well. I believe Nathan Horton (recent #3 overall pick with a solid rookie year in the NHL) was injured, and Minnesota wouldn't release Brent Burns. That team could have been better too.

 

[NyQuil]

The goalie was Jeff Glass. That's all you really have to say about the 2005 team.

 

[Scouter]

So Hicketts will be the only returnee on D, that could hurt them with inexperience. Upfront a few will be back at least.

They showed this years numbers and compared to the 2005 Canada team. This years team was just as dominant as that team was based on the stats. McDavid is nasty too, once he shook the rust off he was untouchable out there.

Good to see the streak broken

This team did something that the 05' one did not do, and that's have a lead all the time, plus they had to play an extra game.

 

[JackSlater]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/33830/canadas-world-junior-title-has-its-roots-in-a-gold-medal-in-sochi

This article from Lebrun details how the WJC team tried to implement the same methods as the Sochi team, which Salmond calls the blueprint for Canada going forward. They didn't really get into specifics, but copying Sochi for the most part should suit Canada going forward. Thanks to the best NHL minds for showing Hockey Canada the way.

 

[1Gold Standard]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/33830/canadas-world-junior-title-has-its-roots-in-a-gold-medal-in-sochi

This article from Lebrun details how the WJC team tried to implement the same methods as the Sochi team, which Salmond calls the blueprint for Canada going forward. They didn't really get into specifics, but copying Sochi for the most part should suit Canada going forward. Thanks to the best NHL minds for showing Hockey Canada the way.

Amen, brother! I'll e-mail, leave phone messages, tweet and send up smoke signals to remind Salmond of this every month.

 

[jabes]

The performance wasn't very close. 2015 had GF 39 GA 6 in seven games compared to 2005 GF 42 GA 7 in six games, with the most significant difference being that Canada 2015 had to play Denmark in the quarterfinals, while Canada 2005 had a bye right to the semi finals. The 2005 team never came remotely close to losing and destroyed Russia featuring a 19 year old Ovechkin and an 18 year old Malkin, while we all saw what 2015 Canada did against a standard Russian team. There's no comparison statistically or otherwise.

Those numbers look pretty close to me. 2005 had more goals in less games so a bit better offensively but 2015 less goals against in more games so a bit better defensive team. Don't see how you can't call those numbers close no matter who the opponent.
As far as the Russia game, it could have easily ended up 6-1 if the game kept going the way it was and we didn't get a few bad bounces. The 2005 Russian team didn't have much of a better round robin than this year despite the big names.
They might not end up having the biggest
name team down the road but this years team was just as dominant vs the competition.

 

[JackSlater]

Those numbers look pretty close to me. 2005 had more goals in less games so a bit better offensively but 2015 less goals against in more games so a bit better defensive team. Don't see how you can't call those numbers close no matter who the opponent.
As far as the Russia game, it could have easily ended up 6-1 if the game kept going the way it was and we didn't get a few bad bounces. The 2005 Russian team didn't have much of a better round robin than this year despite the big names.
They might not end up having the biggest
name team down the road but this years team was just as dominant vs the competition.

Well, I see that memory of the 2005 team is finally starting to fade for people. The numbers look relatively close once Canada 2015 had the benefit of an extra game against Denmark. Comparing Russia 2015 with Russia 2005 is laughable given who was on those teams (19 year old Ovechkin 18 year old Malkin and Radulov), as well as how they played. That Russian team absolutely destroyed a very good American team in the semi finals, while the 2015 Russians lost to Sweden, were dominated by a weak Czech team, and were taken to a shootout by Denmark, were very lucky to get past an ok American team before finally giving a good performance against Sweden in the semifinals.

The 2005 Canadian team destroyed a terrifying Russian team as well as every other team they faced, while the 2015 team was outplayed by and almost lost to a relatively mediocre Russian team. There is no comparison between 2005 and 2015.

 

[xxxx]

It was 5-1 at one point. If not for Russian power-plays, there would be no drama.

Canada never trailed at the tournament, there even wasn't a tie situation (other than 0-0). If anything else, this team was one of the best since 2005.

 

[wings5]

Where can we watch a replay of the game?

 

[Mehar]

It was 5-1 at one point. If not for Russian power-plays, there would be no drama.

Canada never trailed at the tournament, there even wasn't a tie situation (other than 0-0). If anything else, this team was one of the best since 2005.

Absolutely. The Refs gave the Russians a power play based on a borderline penalty that allowed the Russians to make it 5-2. The goal that made it 5-4 was pure bad luck since the puck deflected off Gauthier's skate, and he redirected the puck by accident in his own net. The second Russian Goal also trickled off Fucale and his skate and into the net (a goal he should have had). The Russians got away with some hooking and other penalties, while the Refs gave the Russians 4 straight power plays on some borderline calls.

That being said, this Canadian team showed great resiliency in the third period, unlike the team in 2011 that lost its composure against Russia. Definitely the best Canadian team since 2005. It was great being there live in my hometown to watch the Canadian Flag being raised after 6 years. Hope to repeat next year in Finland!

 

[leafsfuture]

The performance wasn't very close. 2015 had GF 39 GA 6 in seven games compared to 2005 GF 42 GA 7 in six games, with the most significant difference being that Canada 2015 had to play Denmark in the quarterfinals, while Canada 2005 had a bye right to the semi finals. The 2005 team never came remotely close to losing and destroyed Russia featuring a 19 year old Ovechkin and an 18 year old Malkin, while we all saw what 2015 Canada did against a standard Russian team. There's no comparison statistically or otherwise.



Add all of the players and plenty of years look like they could potentially challenge 2005, but who knows. 2010 could have had something like Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Kane, O'Reilly, Myers, Del Zotto, Hodgson all added to it if they were not in the NHL and healthy, but we don't know.

People forget that the 2005 team was missing players as well. I believe Nathan Horton (recent #3 overall pick with a solid rookie year in the NHL) was injured, and Minnesota wouldn't release Brent Burns. That team could have been better too.

This.

If all available guys played, 2010 would have been the most dominant team we would have had ever had. Our 4 centers that year were -- Kadri, Schenn, Cormier, Adam. It could have been: Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, O'Rielly.

The 1990-1991 age group for Canada has always been stacked, and since we had so many guys from that age group go right to the NHL we missed out in both the 2010 and 2011 WJC's.

 

[JackSlater]

This.

If all available guys played, 2010 would have been the most dominant team we would have had ever had. Our 4 centers that year were -- Kadri, Schenn, Cormier, Adam. It could have been: Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, O'Rielly.

The 1990-1991 age group for Canada has always been stacked, and since we had so many guys from that age group go right to the NHL we missed out in both the 2010 and 2011 WJC's.

I've looked a bit at who Canada has missed at the tournament since 1982, and 2010 and 2011 are among the strongest groups. 1985 with 19 year old editions of Lemieux and Yzerman as headliners was a strong year too.