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2014 Spengler Cup (Dec. 26-31)

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That's too many men rules for IIHF. So they must not be following IIHF rules since there's nothing in here and a 2 many men penalty before play starts

RULE 166 – TOO MANY MEN
DEFINITION: A team is allowed a maximum of one goaltender and five
skaters or six skaters on the ice. However, a bench-minor penalty for too
many men can be incurred any time a team has one or more skaters on
the ice than it is allowed.
i. “On the ice” means that both skates must be on the ice. If a player
has one skate on the ice and one over the boards or off the ice, at
his players’ bench or the penalty box, he is considered off the ice.
However, if he is off the ice under this definition, he is not allowed to
play the puck, make contact with an opponent, or participate in
game action in any way.
ii. A player coming onto the ice must wait until the departing player is
within 1.5 metres (5') of his respective players’ bench.
iii. Player changes during game action and during stoppages must take
place only at the players’ bench. Changing on-ice manpower using
any other entrance or exit is illegal and will result in a bench-minor
penalty for too many men.
SECTION 1094
iv. A team which has on the ice more than the number of players to
which it is entitled during game action will be assessed a benchminor
penalty for too many men.
v. If, during a player change during game action, a player coming onto
the ice or coming off the ice plays the puck, makes contact with an
opponent, or participates in game action while both the departing
and entering players are on the ice within the 1.5 metre (5') zone, a
bench-minor a penalty for too many men will be assessed.
vi. If player changes are made during game action and (1) the changing
players are within 1.5 metres (5') of the boards across the width of
his respective players’ bench and (2) the changing players are not
involved in game action in any way, no penalty for too many men will
be assessed.
vii. A bench-minor penalty for too many men must be served by a skater
on the ice at the time of the whistle to assess the penalty.
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^ Even so, still bit of a dick move to call that at that point in the game imo. Oh well, good effort to almost comeback. Entertaining game, good sized crowd there looked like.
 
So - I decided to view this spengler cup. After today - never again. If they want one of their own to win - just say so - stop inviting players to form a Team Canada.

****ing bought off *wi** officials...
 
Referee just explained the call in television.

Apparently as the visiting team (which Canada was tonight) you have 5 seconds to make the change. He said they had 8 guys on the ice, he told them to fix it, they didn't, told them again, still had 7 on the ice, and eventually it was enough, especially because Canada had been warned because of this issue earlier in the period already.
 
swissexpert said:
Ref just explained it. Guest team has 5 seconds time to ice their players, canada ignored it earlier and they got warned.
Then, in the final minute Boucher delayed it again with 8 Canadians on the ice after 5 sec. Ref yelled at him to take them out but got ignored. Seems like a reasonable decision to me.
Boucher is a ***** anyway for applauding and going crazy after he provocates that penalty.
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So then was it a delay of game penalty or a too many men penalty? They can call delay of game if that's what happened, but that's not the call TV showed I don't think. Is there a boxscore that shows what they called somewhere?
 
Stats01 said:
so it is an international rule..because I've never heard of that before. Still really bogus to call something like that in a game that important.
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Well, pretty bogus and bush-league by the Canadian coach, I'd say.
 
swissexpert said:
Ref just explained it. Guest team has 5 seconds time to ice their players, canada ignored it earlier and they got warned.
Then, in the final minute Boucher delayed it again with 8 Canadians on the ice after 5 sec. Ref yelled at him to take them out but got ignored. Seems like a reasonable decision to me.
Boucher is a ***** anyway for applauding and going crazy after he provocates that penalty.
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Sounds like the ref is making it up as he goes along. As if he had an outcome in mind all along... :sarcasm:
 
chokei said:
Referee just explained the call in television.

Apparently as the visiting team (which Canada was tonight) you have 5 seconds to make the change. He said they had 8 guys on the ice, he told them to fix it, they didn't, told them again, still had 7 on the ice, and eventually it was enough, especially because Canada had been warned because of this issue earlier in the period already.
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Ohh give me a break! That's horse****. I've never ever ever ever ever seen that rule enforced in a Spengler Cup game before.
 
I actually don't even care how Canada does in this tournament. It's just kinda disappointing that they lost after almost making a huge comeback.

I just can't believe that got called. I would have been equally flabbergasted if it got called the other way
 
According to the IIHF-Rulebook:

RULE 91 – PLAYER CHANGE DURING STOPPAGE
i. The changing of one or more players constitutes a player change.
ii. The home team is entitled to “last changeâ€. This means the visiting
coach must put his players out on the ice first, after which time the
home coach must do so as per the procedure set out below. If either
team does not make its changes promptly, the referee will not permit
the change.
iii. Failure by either team to comply, or tardiness to comply, or deliberate
error in complying with this rule will result first in a warning from the
referee and then a bench-minor penalty for delay of game.
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Kinda strange what happend there. I have never seen a call like that before.
Was really rooting for Canada to get the equalizer. They played a good game and never gave up. Thats why we love to have Canada at the tournament. Helsinki would have just stopped playing after 2:0...
 
Bad call at the end for me.

But it was a good game to watch.

Yesterday against Jokerit was a fun game 2.

It's pretty funny when they showed the tournament leading scorers and 4 out of top 5 are ex Oilers draft Pick.

Have to Wonder: if you can make an all-star team from ex-Oilers draft picks playing in Europe... they could beat the current Oilers team.
 
Louiss said:
Bad call at the end for me.

But it was a good game to watch.

Yesterday against Jokerit was a fun game 2.

It's pretty funny when they showed the tournament leading scorers and 4 out of top 5 are ex Oilers draft Pick.

Have to Wonder: if you can make an all-star team from ex-Oilers draft picks playing in Europe... they could beat the current Oilers team.
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Maybe on European ice with European riles and refs. Send them to the Western Conference of the NHL and they would get pulverized by physical teams, just like the current Oilers.

The only time I watched the Spengler Cup recently was 2012 and when a handful of Canadian NHL players showed up they won the tournament quite easily. Nonetheless, the tournament has its own charm and, if the locals support it, you have to give them some entertainment they prefer.
 
Frank the Tank said:
Maybe on European ice with European riles and refs. Send them to the Western Conference of the NHL and they would get pulverized by physical teams, just like the current Oilers.

The only time I watched the Spengler Cup recently was 2012 and when a handful of Canadian NHL players showed up they won the tournament quite easily. Nonetheless, the tournament has its own charm and, if the locals support it, you have to give them some entertainment they prefer.
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There were quite many NHL players on that team in 2012, no surprise they won. Team Canada without the NHLers doesn't win as often anymore as they used to, the quality of the top European teams has gotten better over the years.

The quality of the Canadians in Europe varies a lot IMO, some of them are fringe NHL players just not good enough to make it but others are really just average. On a good day this Team Canada could definitely beat the Oilers I'd say but over a season they likely wouldn't do much better than them.
 
Idk why people hate on the Spengler... They put on that Canadian jersey you should respect them like anybody else who puts it on.

Just a bunch of gritty veterans and lesser known guys playing for their country, exiting hockey...wide open but still physical. Oldest pro hockey tournament in the world, and they are playing some of the best KHL and Swiss elite teams (who happen to also have many Canadians on their rosters).
 
Watching the UFA - Geneve game, have to say that UFA are getting the short end of the stick with the refereeing. A lot of questionable calls going against them and some obvious ones being missed by the refs.
 
Great game, awful call at the end. Sure it's in the rules, but it's like the Soccer delay of the game for goaltenders.... never called.
 
canadianmagpie said:
Watching the UFA - Geneve game, have to say that UFA are getting the short end of the stick with the refereeing. A lot of questionable calls going against them and some obvious ones being missed by the refs.
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A local team getting favourable calls at the Spengler. This tournament is in danger of becoming a greater joke than some already view it as.

I hope that ref **** his pants when Guy confronted him. Serves the DB right! :rant:
 
just watched the highlights on tsn and they were saying that canada tried to buy some time by putting an extra skater on the ice (basically like a timeout to rest the players), but the ref caught it and it was a legit penalty.
 
Not sure if Geneva counts as a local team. They are from the French speaking part of Switzerland, located hours away. They even got some boos here and there. I don't see how a Swiss team winning this tournament would benefit the tournament as a whole.

Geneva won the final 3-0 against Ufa btw.

And a fun fact to conclude: Swiss womens goalkeeper Florence Schelling almost got to be back up for Geneva yesterday, as Genevas back up Christophe Bays got sick yesterday and their other goalie Robert Mayer was already injured as well. There have been more rumours around that there might be the possibility that Schelling might get a game with a NLB team somewhen soon. We will see, but I don't expect it to happen.
 
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