Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread

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I'm no fan of bern's outlandish posts but that's unfair to him :laugh:

At least bern seems to have a decent grasp of the sport itself. This dude...

edit: BB, that's great. But you forgot to play someone completely out of position and/or depth. Aside from Talbot as #1. You need to have someone like Fast as our #2 center or something. =P

I'm interested in what you're referring to.

And you can drop the ego and attitude as well.

I'm here for healthy discussion; not for immature flaming.

Is this how you welcome the new guy?
 
Okay didn't really said what I should have but do we really want to give up on Stepan, even if we get a better player at the same position back? I don't anyway. You need depth and very much so when you lack elite talent. We can replace Brad from within the org in JT but from that's not I'm anyway a sure ting in production but nonetheless it's not a bad option. If we want to upgrade the position ROR is almost a perfect candidate but why not trade from a area of strength not from the organisations weakest position. Swap Stapan with ROR, we will get a better player but as a team it won't make a very big difference, however add him to Brassars and Stepan that's a BIG upgrade. Some of Staal and Stårlman have to go, we might be able to play them both this year but what about next when Staals cap hit is at $6m? Get rid of the guy you can get value for. Promote Allen.

Col will get a quality return for him. We can give them something they needs and most likely wants while he is somewhat expandable when you look at it in a cap perspective.

Very good points all around.

We were in the SCF with Nash producing jack and Richards lagging behind the play.

We were close, and ideally id want to keep the D the same (at least the top-4) while making a couple changes up front.

Does the production upgrade from Stepan's 50 points to O'Reilly's 60 make a huge difference? Probably not, but his overall game is much more dynamic than Stepan's and I do think he would make a big difference in a playoff series. Just my opinion.
 
If the Avs are looking to bring back Stastny possibly they would have no need for Stepan. I stand by my ROR+Elliot for Staal and Miller. Miller is best suited for the wing. Elliot is a right handed shot from the back end.

ROR, Stepan, Brassard, D. Moore down the middle. Just have to find a cheaper stop gap UFA or trade target for that 2nd pairing LD. J. Moore doesn't have the ability to fill that spot. Orpik? Nikitin? Greene?

McD - Girardi
XXXX - Stralman
J. Moore - Klein
 
Staal's future is on getting a deal done with the Rangers

TIME TO TALK: Defenseman Marc Staal, who is a year away from being eligible to become a UFA, hopes the Rangers will make an effort to give him an extension before the start of next season.

"I think any hockey player would prefer to be locked up before you start playing," he said. "It’s not going to be the end of the world if nothing happens, but, obviously, you’d rather something be done than not."

- See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/h...stay-with-team-1.1036331#sthash.NNp5P92w.dpuf

Eric Staal's long-term future in Carolina is no sure thing. Management change. Karmanos doesn't look like he will pour much more money into that team. They will have to spend the floor but how much higher than that? $51M-$52M floor. If Rutherford has remained GM,he would have looked to move Eric. Ron Francis will take a wait and see approach but there's no guarantee that he keeps Eric. This time next year Eric could be Jason Speeza with one year remaining on his contract and looking for a change of scenery. Eric Staal has two years remaining on his contract.

Marc had told Larry Brooks in March that he didn't to deal with the contract issues and wanted his contract resolved before the season.

The Rangers top priority should be figuring out Staal's situation. The price isn't going down during the season.
 
If the Avs are looking to bring back Stastny possibly they would have no need for Stepan. I stand by my ROR+Elliot for Staal and Miller. Miller is best suited for the wing. Elliot is a right handed shot from the back end.

ROR, Stepan, Brassard, D. Moore down the middle. Just have to find a cheaper stop gap UFA or trade target for that 2nd pairing LD. J. Moore doesn't have the ability to fill that spot. Orpik? Nikitin? Greene?

McD - Girardi
XXXX - Stralman
J. Moore - Klein

Miller is best suited at center. He plays in the middle in the AHL and was more than a point per game player. AV puts Miller on the wing when the Rangers bring him up.
 
Why does this board hate Stepan?

Every offseason, people are trying to trade him for anything

Because some people only focus on what a player isn't rather than what he is. Stepan is a great 2 way center, but he's not going to be a consistent 1st line scorer. There's nothing wrong with that. Teams need 2nd line centers too.

The answer isn't to trade Stepan. It's to find a player who can slot in above him on the 1st line.
 
Resign Pou and Dom Moore
Resign small the RFAs

Call up Miller, Fast, and Mcilrath/Allen

And there's your team

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Fast-Moore-Dorsett

MCD-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-Mcl/Allen
 
I love Schiefele. Wanted him in 2011. Then watched him steadily climb above where the Rangers were picking, same story as Johansen. And for some reason they refuse to trade up. Gotta think he's still untouchable for the Jets.

A player who intrigues me who may actually be available is Andrew Ladd.
 
Because some people only focus on what a player isn't rather than what he is. Stepan is a great 2 way center, but he's not going to be a consistent 1st line scorer. There's nothing wrong with that. Teams need 2nd line centers too.

The answer isn't to trade Stepan. It's to find a player who can slot in above him on the 1st line.

That's a fine opinion, but I disagree.

I agree with most of what you said, but I see it as: we already have two second line centers and we need a first line center.

If you can take advantage of a team in a tight situation and basically turn one of your two 2nd line centers into a first line center, why wouldn't you?

Because you don't want people to think you don't like a player?

That is not how a GM operates. His job is to improve the team and put the best roster out every season.

Stepan for ROR is a clear upgrade overall.

Losing Stepan for ROR is easier to swallow than losing Staal for ROR because ROR literally replaces and improves his spot/role/production in the lineup.

Trading Staal for ROR is just robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially if it can get done a different way that directly upgrades the 1C position without upsetting any other part of the lineup.
 
Miller is best suited at center. He plays in the middle in the AHL and was more than a point per game player. AV puts Miller on the wing when the Rangers bring him up.

Thank you.

I'll never understand why so many fans have decided in their heads that Miller is better suited for the wing. He has played his best and produced the most as a center, and even when the Rangers have injected him into the lineup on the wing, he hasn't been very effective.

He's even said he's more comfortable at center.

J.T. Miller is a CENTER.
 
I love Schiefele. Wanted him in 2011. Then watched him steadily climb above where the Rangers were picking, same story as Johansen. And for some reason they refuse to trade up. Gotta think he's still untouchable for the Jets.

A player who intrigues me who may actually be available is Andrew Ladd.

If the Rangers acquired Ladd, they would be really strong down the wings. Kreider, Ladd, Hagelin, Boyle(?) on the left side. Nash, MSL, Zucc, Dorsett/Fast on the right.

Still questionmarks down the middle. Stepan, Brassard, Miller(?), D. Moore(?).

Who would you move for Ladd?
 
I'm interested in what you're referring to.

And you can drop the ego and attitude as well.

I'm here for healthy discussion; not for immature flaming.

Is this how you welcome the new guy?

I read through these posts, you're the one making snide comments telling people they're silly and what not, and then you call others immature and say you're here for healthy discussion. The reason people are reacting that way is because your proposals are not realistic and if you want to talk about the future of the team or the roster, you need to be able to think rationally about what other teams will do and want, and what the Rangers would realistically do. For example - the Rangers aren't going to trade Rick Nash or Derek Stepan. I'd be 100% in complete shock if either of those things happened. Any scenario where you propose that happening is going to laughable and unrealistic.
 
Thank you.

I'll never understand why so many fans have decided in their heads that Miller is better suited for the wing. He has played his best and produced the most as a center, and even when the Rangers have injected him into the lineup on the wing, he hasn't been very effective.

He's even said he's more comfortable at center.

J.T. Miller is a CENTER.

CENTERS need to be defensively responsible - much more so than wingers. The reason JT Miller is playing wing on the big club is because he's less than average on the defensive side of things. The reason his work ethic is called into question is for the same reason - it's a difficult position to play on both sides of the ice and he's not capable yet of being a two way center at the NHL level.
 
Staal's future is on getting a deal done with the Rangers

- See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/h...stay-with-team-1.1036331#sthash.NNp5P92w.dpuf

Eric Staal's long-term future in Carolina is no sure thing. Management change. Karmanos doesn't look like he will pour much more money into that team. They will have to spend the floor but how much higher than that? $51M-$52M floor. If Rutherford has remained GM,he would have looked to move Eric. Ron Francis will take a wait and see approach but there's no guarantee that he keeps Eric. This time next year Eric could be Jason Speeza with one year remaining on his contract and looking for a change of scenery. Eric Staal has two years remaining on his contract.

Marc had told Larry Brooks in March that he didn't to deal with the contract issues and wanted his contract resolved before the season.

The Rangers top priority should be figuring out Staal's situation. The price isn't going down during the season.

I agree for sure.

Consolidate and resign the key players this summer while cutting loose the players that can't be kept. Make sure that we have a decent team with some mobility and players on good contracts going forward. We shouldn't thrive to ice a contender on paper in October. Odds are that we will need a rebound year no matter what.

In the end, to contend again it seems like we will need to take quite a big step forward in relation to the team we can ice in October. To do that, we need to -- create -- value within the organization. We will not do that through drafts, since we don't have any picks. We will not do it on the UFA market because we don't have any capspace nor is it likely that players can be signed on a UFA market to good deals under the current conditions. Hence the option we do have is to give young players a chance in a good envionment, and have their value go up. Either so they can fill a void themselves, or by them gaining value as trade chips.

In this equation though, its essential that we have some of these players locked-up. We should have a lot of players with a lot of value after a Cup run, but Slats has kinda wasted that with half the team being free agents...
 
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CENTERS need to be defensively responsible - much more so than wingers. The reason JT Miller is playing wing on the big club is because he's less than average on the defensive side of things. The reason his work ethic is called into question is for the same reason - it's a difficult position to play on both sides of the ice and he's not capable yet of being a two way center at the NHL level.

Exactly my thinking. While he has been more productive in the AHL at center, when he's played center in the NHL he has been pretty bad defensively. While that could still develop over time, it may not be the best position for him in the short term.
 
I understand your point and it's a valid one about Colorado's needs. However, again, I don't believe that this is going to be solely about Colorado's wants and needs. They are not in the driver's seat of this situation. They are the ones at risk of losing a 1C to an offersheet and getting draft picks in return (which are great, but don't really help their current cause / effort of improving their team NOW and winning NOW). They are the ones who let this situation get out of hand for the second time. They're at risk of having a disgruntled player in the locker room.

They can either take the best trade offer they get, or roll the dice and a) hope he doesn't sign ANOTHER offer sheet and b) hope the arbiter awards in their favor (in which event, ROR is still unhappy with management and the contract process and then likely bolts in a year as a UFA that they will then lose for absolutely nothing.)

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"Nash isn't going anywhere" is your opinion. And you're probably right, but I think he should be traded, and not because I don't think he'll bounce back. I think you're right in that he WILL bounce back. However, he's only bouncing back to what he was previously: a 25-30 goal, 55-65 point player. That's not worth 7.8 million a year going forward. It just isn't. He was given a huge contract because he was the entire CBJ franchise. It was expected that because he was so good at age 22, he'd be insane by the time he was 28. Well he's 28 and he hasn't gotten any better, in fact, he's declined.

I don't want Nash traded because he had one of the worst and unluckiest cold streaks of his career. I want him traded because even when he bounces back, he's not worth 7.8 million to us. He might be to another team that can utilize him better or that needs to build around him in a different way. Who knows. I just don't think he's worth it. But that's another whole discussion.

Nash had 21 goals in 44 games and 26 goals in 65 games as a Ranger. That's 47 goals in 109 games. That's 35 goals over an 82 game season.

What exactly is he bouncing back from? His postseason? We'll have to wait until next postseason to determine that.

Nash also has a NMC. His value is the lowest it probably ever has been because of his playoff stats. He makes $7.8M. All of these things make it stupid to trade him and improbable he gets dealt. I don't think scoring 35 goals per 82 games is "declining." 3 players scored 40 goals last year. A full year of health and Nash will score 35+ goals. He also led the league in GWG, I believe. Yeah, he's not worth $7.8M, but he's worth $7M easily, and that extra million in cap space is not going to kill us.
 
Nash isn't going anywhere. He has a NMC and really isn't going to garner a huge return after his lackluster playoffs. You have to keep him and hope he works out his postseason scoring issues.

Staal needs to be resigned unless people love the thought of John Moore in the Top-4, which I personally don't. Lock Staal up long-term. If Brady Skjei lights the world on fire in a couple years, then look to move Staal for a nice return. We don't have the horses on the left side until we know what we have in Skjei. I don't think John Moore is ever going to develop into much more than he is right now.

Stralman needs to be resigned, if his demands are reasonable. Give him term for salary concessions. If McIlrath or Allen force their way into the lineup, move one of Stralman or Klein.

Resign one of Diaz or Falk. Don't care which one, to be quite honest. I guess Diaz has been more useful in his short time here.

It looks like Boyle is a goner. Best of luck to him. Resign D. Moore and keep Carcillo on as the 13th F. Promote a 4th line winger from within, if possible.

Resign the entire Brassard line. You have to hope that Pouliot is looking to end his journeyman days and is willing to take a reasonable contract here with a bit of term (2-4 years). If not, promote from within. (Jesper Fast?)

Buyout Richards. Plug in Miller. This is probably the biggest question mark in the entire lineup, but AV needs to ride the ups and downs with Miller. Shelter his zone starts a bit and let him learn.

Resign Kreider, obviously.

Rev's Lineup:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot/Fast-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Miller-St.Louis
UFA/Hrivik/Fast/HFD-D.Moore-Dorsett
Carcillo

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman/Klein
J.Moore-Klein/McIlrath/Allen
Diaz/Falk
 

Scenario 2:

Amnesty buy out Brad Richards (relieves 6.67 million in cap-space)

Sign Ryan O'Reilly to an OFFER SHEET: 7 years x 7 million cap hit (7yr, 49mil)
(note: This is a HAIR more than Brad Richards' current deal. We came close to having Richards on that contract. I see no problem with signing a top, young, two-way center to a SLIGHTLY better deal)

Trade Nash to DET (Mike Babcock connection) for Tomas Tatar and Gustav Nyqvist
(note: Perhaps NYR retain a % of Nash's salary to get this deal done)

Trade Girardi, 2nd, and the rights to Brian Boyle to EDM for Yakupov

Re-sign Stralman, Moore

Sign Dan Boyle (1 year deal)

Kreider O'Reilly St. Louis
Stepan Brassard Zuccarello
Tatar Nyqvist Yakupov
Hagelin Moore Dorsett

McDonagh Stralman
Staal Boyle
Moore Klein

Lundqvist
Talbot


This would be the deepest possible lineup IMO, but it all hinges on Sather giving an offer sheet to Ryan O'Reilly, which has been something that Sather has publicly been against in the past. It would also be right up against the cap.


IMO, the best Nash trade is a 2-for-1 that gets us two young players. We already traded away depth to acquire Nash, and then traded away Gaborik to re-acquire that depth. It would be silly to trade Nash simply for more depth, but it could be a very positive move to move Nash and his big cap-hit for two young, skilled, albeit unproven players (ie: Tatar and Nyqvist). Not only does it give us cap-relief, but we fill two top-9 spots, which dramatically improves our secondary scoring.

In Scenario 2, the depth is so strong that Stepan is slotted in as a LW. That would be fine if it ended up happening: Stepan has never been a strong faceoff man, and he's actually played well in the brief stints that he's played on the wing in previous seasons. But, this also allows for more versatility and flexibility, and even the potential to trade Stepan for a top-4 defender if Dan Boyle or Stralman don't work out in their respective roles. (Perhaps Stepan for Bogosian rather than signing Dan Boyle in the first place. There are plenty of options here.)

Thoughts?

Comments?

Questions?

General Rage?

I hope at least one person enjoys some of what I just wasted 20 minutes writing. Hahaha. P.S. This is a fantastic fan forum. Keep up the great work, boys and girls.

:D


Scenario 2 is something that I would really like to see but Yakupov is not worth Girardi
 
Rev, your lineup is 100% what I expect to see. Maybe a UFA bargain if Pouliot wants too much or for the 4th line. MSL was the big move.

Lack of trade chips & cap space with key players to sign hasn't left the Rangers with a lot of room. I don't expect them to be better on paper this fall than they were a week ago. You have to hope Miller and Fast/Allen/Lindberg step up.

Only thing potentially I could see in play is a Staal trade. Don't think it will happen. I've seen a lot of posts about Sather needing to lock him up or trade him this summer. I AGREE but that is not Sather's MO. Don't be surprised if we see the same song and dance with Staal as we did Callahan and Girardi.
 
As much as I love Staal, wouldn't it be a more rounded, safe, proactive move by extending Stralman instead and then waiting to see how Staal does this upcoming season?

Its not easy to get a right handed defenseman but more over Staal is one hit away from a career ending concussion. If you let Stralman walk and Staal is finished then you are out of one of this years pairings completely. That would be devastating.
 
That's a fine opinion, but I disagree.

I agree with most of what you said, but I see it as: we already have two second line centers and we need a first line center.

If you can take advantage of a team in a tight situation and basically turn one of your two 2nd line centers into a first line center, why wouldn't you?

Because you don't want people to think you don't like a player?

That is not how a GM operates. His job is to improve the team and put the best roster out every season.

Stepan for ROR is a clear upgrade overall.

Losing Stepan for ROR is easier to swallow than losing Staal for ROR because ROR literally replaces and improves his spot/role/production in the lineup.

Trading Staal for ROR is just robbing Peter to pay Paul, especially if it can get done a different way that directly upgrades the 1C position without upsetting any other part of the lineup.

How much is ROR going to cost? His QO is 6.5 mil. How are we affording that? Guess what, we aren't. Whatever upgrade you think ROR provides, it isn't worth more than double the cap hit. We would be better off trading Brassard than Stepan in that scenario.
 
Resign Pou and Dom Moore
Resign small the RFAs

Call up Miller, Fast, and Mcilrath/Allen

And there's your team

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Fast-Moore-Dorsett

MCD-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-Mcl/Allen

I still think we are lacking in a few areas.

I don't trust Pouliot to post 2nd line numbers with or with out a full season of Zuccs. As a player he is what he is, a solid 3rd liner capable of 30-35 points.

I'd like a little more size and determination from the wing position. Someone willing and capable of going to and staying in front of the net.

Still lacking the PPQB that haunted us thsi year, specifically in the PO's.

Also lacking a point shot. I like that John Moore is willing to pull the trigger as often as he does, but I'm not ready to trust him there.

I think the team still has a few holes that may not be detrimental during the regular season, but they almost cost us early this PO's and surely cost us in the Finals.

PPQB and Point shot COULD have been the difference against the Kings.
 
I love Schiefele. Wanted him in 2011. Then watched him steadily climb above where the Rangers were picking, same story as Johansen. And for some reason they refuse to trade up. Gotta think he's still untouchable for the Jets.

A player who intrigues me who may actually be available is Andrew Ladd.

Ladd is a Callahan clone with the size to be a lot more effective.

He would be a perfect fit behind Kreider on the LW.

Stud that has missed just 5 games in the last 6 seasons.

Would be a great add
 
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