Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

[Matt4776]

I don't think Stastny would help on this team for the price he would command. I think he'd be more of the same. I'd love to see what it would take to snag a guy like Scheifele out of WPG, but they have no reason to trade him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'd love to see what it would take to snag a guy like Scheifele out of WPG, but they have no reason to trade him.

Not sure what the Rangers have to give up, either.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Stastny wants $7 MILLION per

grabo wants 5 mill for 4-5 yrs.

offer 6/6 to stasny and a legit chance to win the cup.

thats the reality of 1/2 c's in this league right now.

stepan wouldnt be cheaper if he were a ufa.

supply and demand.

i take stasny over grabo every time. its only money and we need 3 good solid productive years from him while hank is in his prime.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

No, I think what you're saying is on point, Tawnos.

But, I don't think that its an excuse to not maximize value on an asset that could very conceivably leave in one year's time.

Skjei could be ready by then. Staal could get injured and still want big time money. Even if he plays at the same level he played this year and doesn't get injured... 6 million is too damn much for a secondary player!

That's going to be a hole regardless. Did we think that it would be a hard offseason because we'd have to waive goodbye to Richards? No.

I think this is the biggest move of the offseason and could define the success of our team for many years to come if we target a young player that could become a part of our core.

Nice soundbite. Nevermind that its unrealistic a team will let go of this fictional young player.

 

[Ail]

No, I think what you're saying is on point, Tawnos.

But, I don't think that its an excuse to not maximize value on an asset that could very conceivably leave in one year's time.

Skjei could be ready by then. Staal could get injured and still want big time money. Even if he plays at the same level he played this year and doesn't get injured... 6 million is too damn much for a secondary player!

That's going to be a hole regardless. Did we think that it would be a hard offseason because we'd have to waive goodbye to Richards? No.

I think this is the biggest move of the offseason and could define the success of our team for many years to come if we target a young player that could become a part of our core.

They only trade Staal if they feel he will be paid too much for what he will be on the roster, just like Callahan. He is not going to walk for nothing.

 

[Matt4776]

Not sure what the Rangers have to give up, either.

Agreed. Our only tradeable asset worth a damn is Staal, and trading him would leave a gaping hole on our 2nd pairing.

I'm still in the camp that would choose to trade Staal if it meant retaining Stralman, though. If we can keep both (which we should especially if Boyler walks), I think we definitely need to.

 

[Tawnos]

No, I think what you're saying is on point, Tawnos.

But, I don't think that its an excuse to not maximize value on an asset that could very conceivably leave in one year's time.

Skjei could be ready by then. Staal could get injured and still want big time money. Even if he plays at the same level he played this year and doesn't get injured... 6 million is too damn much for a secondary player!

That's going to be a hole regardless. Did we think that it would be a hard offseason because we'd have to waive goodbye to Richards? No.

I think this is the biggest move of the offseason and could define the success of our team for many years to come if we target a young player that could become a part of our core.

Well, I think you have to listen to offers for Staal with wide open ears without necessarily shopping him. I get that we're up against it with him. That doesn't mean you make a rash move. If possible, Staal's replacement has to be in place before we move him. I don't think Allen is that guy, yet. Could be wrong. I think Nikitin would have been a good option if Staal were moved, but we'll have to see what he does with the Oilers.

I've been kicking around the idea in my head (spawned by the Olympics) that in a few years, if Staal stays, our top 4 should be pairings of Staal-McDonagh and Skjei-Girardi.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How is Stastny a likely option? He is out of their price range, now and going forward. I doubt Detroit trades Mantha for Staal either.

Hes not.

His cap hit will be more expensive than Richards'.

The whole point of the Richards buyout was to clear some space for the raises due to a ton of roster players.

 

[Vitto79]

Stastny wants $7 MILLION per

He will get that or close too. Ufas are a bad idea stick w miller . I'm confident he will be solid w playing time at C

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

How is Stastny a likely option? He is out of their price range, now and going forward. I doubt Detroit trades Mantha for Staal either.

How is he out of our price range when we have 23.5 million dollars to spend? It would mean that someone like Boyle wouldn't be able to be accommodated. And especially if Staal is traded, that opens up even more space.

As for Detroit... I read speculation that they're targeting a left handed defender to infuse some more talent on their blue line. Yandle was speculated, but Staal if made available would also be a viable option.

I think for them to get a guy who is capable of performing first line minutes like Staal and gives them an immediate chance to win now with Zetterberg and Datsyuk would be worth trading Mantha for.

They needed help on the blue line, not on offense, this year. Best case scenario for them is that Mantha could provide what Toffoli and Pearson gave to LA, and without the same depth that LA had, Mantha wouldn't have the same effect this year for the Wings.

Prospects aren't worth as much as veteran players. I don't know why boards always overvalue prospects, but in the end, a prospect bears more risk and takes longer time to produce than a veteran player. We should be able to get Mantha for Staal plus another decent asset if they really are interested in improving their blue line.

 

[GAGLine]

Can a CBA person clarify a couple things?

Both Brassard and Zucc are arbitration eligible?

Since both are a year from UFA status, if the Rangers take them to it, and they go through with it, the players get to elect the term, a one or two year contract?

Also, is Kreider arbitration eligible?

If the Rangers were going to elect arbitration, I think it would have happened already. But those players can elect arbitration themselves, in which case the team would get the option to choose 1 or 2 years, but they have to choose before the arbitration hearing. They can't wait until the hearing, find out what the number is, and then decide on the years.

And yes, Kreider is arbitration eligible. He signed at age 21, like McDonagh.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Nice soundbite. Nevermind that its unrealistic a team will let go of this fictional young player.

What.

 

[Tawnos]

How is he out of our price range when we have 23.5 million dollars to spend? It would mean that someone like Boyle wouldn't be able to be accommodated. And especially if Staal is traded, that opens up even more space.

We have 23.5 million to spend on 10 players.

 

[Ail]

He will get that or close too. Ufas are a bad idea stick w miller . I'm confident he will be solid w playing time at C

I think a lot of us are sure Miller will be solid given the ice time. However solid may not be enough to help them back to the finals. If they go with Miller (likely) we will all be revisiting this discussion come January just short of him lighting the world on fire. (Unlikely)

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

They only trade Staal if they feel he will be paid too much for what he will be on the roster, just like Callahan. He is not going to walk for nothing.

Callahan's value was much lower at the deadline than it would have been in the offseason preceding the season.

Hell, I even thought Sather the magician would be able to get a lot more value out of him than he got. We had to send two damn 1sts in addition to our captain to get St. Louis - who is leagues above Cally offensive but at the ripe old age of 39.

Maximize value. Avoid the same conflict as Cally had.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What.

Your offseason plan is not a plan at all. I just can't take it seriously because its so unrealistic. You're off meandering from one deal to another involving Staal and younger guys that other teams aren't likely to give up.

The fact you think Connor Allen can adequately fill in for the loss of Staal is the cherry on top.

 

[GAGLine]

How is he out of our price range when we have 23.5 million dollars to spend? It would mean that someone like Boyle wouldn't be able to be accommodated. And especially if Staal is traded, that opens up even more space.

It's simple. Go to capgeek and do the math (though the cap likely won't be as high as 71.1 mil, as listed on capgeek). Stastny at 7 mil means 2 of Stralman, Zucc, Staal and Brassard are gone.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

We have 23.5 million to spend on 10 players.

If you cut out Boyle and Poo, you're pretty much able to fit in Stastny comfortably. If you cut out Staal? You're able to get everyone in comfortably... although I don't know why you would when you have another round of free agents next year.

The point was to show that Stastny could be fit under. I'm not in favor of adding him, but seeing as we have a rather depleted farm... i'm sure the only tangible thing we can do is add by only giving up financial assets rather than both financial and physical.

 

[Ail]

How is he out of our price range when we have 23.5 million dollars to spend? It would mean that someone like Boyle wouldn't be able to be accommodated. And especially if Staal is traded, that opens up even more space.

As for Detroit... I read speculation that they're targeting a left handed defender to infuse some more talent on their blue line. Yandle was speculated, but Staal if made available would also be a viable option.

I think for them to get a guy who is capable of performing first line minutes like Staal and gives them an immediate chance to win now with Zetterberg and Datsyuk would be worth trading Mantha for.

They needed help on the blue line, not on offense, this year. Best case scenario for them is that Mantha could provide what Toffoli and Pearson gave to LA, and without the same depth that LA had, Mantha wouldn't have the same effect this year for the Wings.

Prospects aren't worth as much as veteran players. I don't know why boards always overvalue prospects, but in the end, a prospect bears more risk and takes longer time to produce than a veteran player. We should be able to get Mantha for Staal plus another decent asset if they really are interested in improving their blue line.

Dude, that cap space is not just for a center. Wat **** konjots pls.

Also, the board overvalues prospects because we live in a cap world now where you have to rely on your cheap, high potential prospects to come in and make a difference. Detroit learned that a long time ago.

 

[offdacrossbar]

He will get that or close too. Ufas are a bad idea stick w miller . I'm confident he will be solid w playing time at C

we wont score many goals with that lineup down the middle.

having a solid 3c helps but having a true 1c helps more.

stepan and brass are both 2c's on a good day.

we need a first line centerman.

watching stepan try is painful at times and down right unproductive mostly

 

[Ail]

Callahan's value was much lower at the deadline than it would have been in the offseason preceding the season.

Hell, I even thought Sather the magician would be able to get a lot more value out of him than he got. We had to send two damn 1sts in addition to our captain to get St. Louis - who is leagues above Cally offensive but at the ripe old age of 39.

Maximize value. Avoid the same conflict as Cally had.

What makes a player more valuable now versus before the deadline?

 

[GAGLine]

I think a lot of us are sure Miller will be solid given the ice time. However solid may not be enough to help them back to the finals. If they go with Miller (likely) we will all be revisiting this discussion come January just short of him lighting the world on fire. (Unlikely)

Is that a bad thing? I'd rather keep the depth we have and give Miller a chance. If he isn't ready, then we can make a deadline deal that will be much easier to fit under the cap. There will be options.

We had this same argument years ago when we traded Cullen and Dubinsky was slotted in as 3rd line center. By the end of the year, Dubi was centering Jagr.

If we re-sign everyone and put Miller at 3C, we are still a playoff team. Give it a try and if it doesn't work, we can address it at the trade deadline.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Your offseason plan is not a plan at all. I just can't take it seriously because its so unrealistic. You're off meandering from one deal to another involving Staal and younger guys that other teams aren't likely to give up.

The fact you think Connor Allen can adequately fill in for the loss of Staal is the cherry on top.

Why is it unrealistic, exactly? Staal would be classified under "stud defenseman" in many GM's books. His last name alone carries significant weight and value.

Ottawa wants a young 2nd line player, a top prospect, and a draft pick for Spezza, a 32 y/o often injured player that would likely take the 2nd line center position wherever he goes.

Vancouver wants a similar package for Kesler, a 2nd line center who is often injured and north of 30.

Yet we can't demand a similar package for a younger guy who is more dominant than both of them at his position?

Young 2nd line player and draft pick. That's all i'm asking for, and I think its pretty realistic. That's the value we should seek.

 

[Off Sides]

If the Rangers were going to elect arbitration, I think it would have happened already. But those players can elect arbitration themselves, in which case the team would get the option to choose 1 or 2 years, but they have to choose before the arbitration hearing. They can't wait until the hearing, find out what the number is, and then decide on the years.

And yes, Kreider is arbitration eligible. He signed at age 21, like McDonagh.

Thanks,

Interesting, I figured the Rangers would want to take them so they could not even talk to other teams while they tried to work out extensions.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

What makes a player more valuable now versus before the deadline?

If you're talking about a UFA... a whole season to sign said player?