2014 NHL Entry Draft Part 3

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Whitesnake

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They have Quenneville and Masin in the first, interesting.

Quenneville is really intriguing and yet I do have some questions about him. I see him and somehow see Jason Dickinson who was a ND for me in his draft year. But Quenneville does implicate himself more in the play than Dickinson does. I won't hate the pick if it's him. We do have a need for C's in our pool, and he's not just a need....he would be pencilled to go from 25 to 40.
 

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They have Quenneville and Masin in the first, interesting.

Yeah, putting Masin at number 25 surprised me too, none of the other mocks/rankings I've read have him quite that high. From all I hear he's something of an Emelin type but I really don't have enough first hand knowledge of the guy Outside of the U18 tourney to say if that's a real stretch or not.
 

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Yeah, putting Masin at number 25 surprised me too, none of the other mocks/rankings I've read have him quite that high. From all I hear he's something of an Emelin type but I really don't have enough first hand knowledge of the guy Outside of the U18 tourney to say if that's a real stretch or not.

hes an early 2nd guy so i can see him going in the late 1st, low-risk minute eating D with some upside
 

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hes an early 2nd guy so i can see him going in the late 1st, low-risk minute eating D with some upside

Masin for me is a mix of Emelin and Tyutin. Not sure he'll ever rack the offensive numbers in the NHL though. He wouldn't be a 1st rounder for me.
 

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i bet we'll just end up trading our 1st to buffalo for #39 and #49, then buffalo draft's demko

ill be really sad if we do that with Pastrnak still left on the board
 

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Quenneville is really intriguing and yet I do have some questions about him. I see him and somehow see Jason Dickinson who was a ND for me in his draft year. But Quenneville does implicate himself more in the play than Dickinson does. I won't hate the pick if it's him. We do have a need for C's in our pool, and he's not just a need....he would be pencilled to go from 25 to 40.

I've seen him ranked as high as the 20th spot. He's one of those ''hard to pinpoint the upside'' types where some teams could really love him while others could see him as a 3rd liner at best. Personally, I don't think he'd be the worst pick in the world in the late first round. That being said I always favor the ''take the guy with the best offensive upside'' approach with the first round pick so depending on who's left I might pass on him.
 

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I've seen him ranked as high as the 20th spot. He's one of those ''hard to pinpoint the upside'' types where some teams could really love him while others could see him as a 3rd liner at best. Personally, I don't think he'd be the worst pick in the world in the late first round. That being said I always favor the ''take the guy with the best offensive upside'' approach with the first round pick.

He is absolutely tough. Honestly, just like Carter was in 2003. Nobody had Carter top 12 in their mock or top 30. Flyers did though. So maybe Quenneville is just as mind-boggling. From 15 to 45? But for me, he is one tough guy to analyse. Not going to say that I've seen him often though.....not enough to have been able to figuring him out. Again, not going to be pissed about the pick. Though....always depending of who was there....
 

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Yeah, putting Masin at number 25 surprised me too, none of the other mocks/rankings I've read have him quite that high. From all I hear he's something of an Emelin type but I really don't have enough first hand knowledge of the guy Outside of the U18 tourney to say if that's a real stretch or not.

McKeens has him in the top 30 too. He appears to be a safe pick. Captain of the under 18 national team.
 

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i bet we'll just end up trading our 1st to buffalo for #39 and #49, then buffalo draft's demko

ill be really sad if we do that with Pastrnak still left on the board

If I'm Bergevin, trading the 26th OV to Buffalo for their 31st & 39th 2nd rounders would be a fair trade. That could give the Habs Bleackley RW & Pollock LW another possibility would be Scherbak LW & MacInnis C/LW in forwards. On defence They could get Pettersson/Masin LD's & MacLeod RD and say Ryan Collins RD with their 3rd round. Also I believe the Habs should try and pickup another 2nd & 3rd round pick, it seems like a lot of the talent is very similar between the 50th OV - 75th and the Habs could really add some good depth to the system with 3 - 2nd's and a couple 3rd's. Putting 5 more quality prospects in Hamilton in two yrs., whether they draft forwards or Dmen or a mix, could only be good for the future.

Possibly with 3 - 2nd's they could gamble on say Goldobin LW, Ho-Sang RW & Cornel RHC. Giving The Bulldogs three extremely talented players, much the same type of players though. All being labelled as not being able to use their teammates well, possibly putting all three on one line for a couple of yrs. in Hamilton may change their problems. If that was successful the Habs could end up with a really special line for their top six in 4-5 yrs.

Like I said there are lots of project type of players in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, the Habs could do some good work in a weak draft by concentrating on these rounds IMHO.:nod: Connor Chatham is a RW that would be a great draftee for a late 2nd round pick.
 

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!st round pick...26th...David Pastrnak or Connor Bleackley
3rd round pick...86th...Lucas Wallmark or Nicolas Aube-Aubel

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my hopes exactly:yo:
 

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If the Habs trade 26th OV to Buffalo for their 31st & 39th OV, Brett Pollock C/LW is a good pick @ 31st, along with Connor Chatham RW @ 39th, with Artur Boltanov C/LW or Dominic Turgeon C at 86th. Beau Starrett C/LW for their 4th round pick is another project player, but after 4yrs. in college in the NCAA, he should only take a year in Hamilton to be NHL ready IMHO. Mads Eller (LW) is another player the Habs could draft in the 5th round, Matt Murphy RD could be a good 6th rounder, with Sergei Boikov (LD) in the 7th round.

These players have all shown that they can play well and a couple of yrs. in Hamilton should see at least 3-4 or more getting to the NHL. Turgeon could surprise people given another year or two in Portland and 2 in Hamilton, at the outside he will at least be a 3rd or 4th line center. Portland's Alex Schoenborn RW with decent scoring abilities and a scrapper too, looks like a young Chris Nilan, probably a 5th or 6th round pick.:handclap:
 

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Simply, no (selecting Tatcher Demko). Even when goalies values go up they're never worth much

Let's say you're right...it shouldn't be that way, imo.
Goalies especially the apparent no.1 goalie (franchise potential) in a draft should have a lot of value. It's probably the long wait that's one factor amongst several...?

Ex: the values of a Price or Rask for examples...their value went UP quickly (or it was already quite high, especially Price's). Fucale's value is lukewarm right now, but in a year...he could be part of a solid package trade (or Tokarski?, or...Demko? (IF we draft him!?).

Anyway...I'd only select Demko as a possible trading chip (he has franchise #1 goalie potential). Tokarski, Fucale, Demko...one (or two) can be used as a great trading chip for a package trade in the near future to one day get that solid young winger or solid young dman to help Subban,etc).

Ex: Winnipeg may need a young #1 franchise goalie soon...would love to get Byfuglien from them! he would be huge in playoffs for us as a power forward or part-time dman).

Go for the BPA imo (even if he's a goalie!).
The one who will have the most value (not just now but later).
If Timmins feels that Demko is the BPA (sure thing) at 26th, and not a Ho-Sang (who may end up a bust) or a ''Russian factor'' player (huge huge risk),etc, then...you take Demko, no?

In the end...maybe Demko (in 2yrs or less) is more sure of being part of a great trade package VS a ''Russian factor/huge risk'' player (ex: Goldobin or Nikita Sherbak).



p.s.: don't get me wrong...if Bleakley is available at 26th...I'd pick him over Demko! But, I'm thinking Bleakley will be chosen top 20...I hope I'm wrong!
 
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goalies are hard to predict regardless of whether or not you see them as being "elite", which is why they never fetch much in a trade even in the NHL

case in point: Jack Campbell, Jacob Markstrom (the book is still out on him), Justin Pogge (not a high pick but Rask was let go because of him), Al Montoya, Marek Schwarz, Rick DiPietro etc.
 
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Here is what is in Red Line Report for the Habs...

They have two mock drafts...

1-Eric Cornel(C) Peterborough
2-Brendan Lemieux(LW) Barrie

The guys rates near #26...

24-Quenneville, C
25-Pettersson, D
26-Kamenev, C
27-McKeown, D
28-Vrana, LW
29-Kapanen, LW
30-Lemieux, LW
 

le_sean

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Here is what is in Red Line Report for the Habs...

They have two mock drafts...

1-Eric Cornel(C) Peterborough
2-Brendan Lemieux(LW) Barrie

The guys rates near #26...

24-Quenneville, C
25-Pettersson, D
26-Kamenev, C
27-McKeown, D
28-Vrana, LW
29-Kapanen, LW
30-Lemieux, LW

Ugh, if they drafted Cornel ahead of Kapanen, I would not be a very happy camper.

In fact, I would take any of the guys rated after 26 ahead of him (don't care for Kamenev).
 

Monctonscout

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Ugh, if they drafted Cornel ahead of Kapanen, I would not be a very happy camper.

In fact, I would take any of the guys rated after 26 ahead of him (don't care for Kamenev).

I think all things being equal the Habs would prefer a d-man or center, but it's a strong draft for wingers(at least around 26th) and d-men.
 

Whitesnake

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Ugh, if they drafted Cornel ahead of Kapanen, I would not be a very happy camper.

In fact, I would take any of the guys rated after 26 ahead of him (don't care for Kamenev).

I like Cornel. But he's in the same boat as Quenneville. I have NO IDEA how their development will be. Totally unknown factor for me. In the category of "putting it all together". Tough to judge. But I agree for Kapanen. He's in my team if he's still there. But the rest of the guys that are available makes perfect sense to me. No chance that guys like Kempe, Scherbak or whoever are there.

I would also take everybody in there before Cornel.
 

le_sean

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I like Cornel. But he's in the same boat as Quenneville. I have NO IDEA how their development will be. Totally unknown factor for me. In the category of "putting it all together". Tough to judge. But I agree for Kapanen. He's in my team if he's still there. But the rest of the guys that are available makes perfect sense to me. No chance that guys like Kempe, Scherbak or whoever are there.

I would also take everybody in there before Cornel.

That's it, I don't hate Cornel, but I don't know what to expect from him. He's the kind of guy Buffalo should take in the early 2nd. They have the capability to take a chance on him. Montreal has 1 pick in the first 87 selections. I just wouldn't be comfortable with Cornel being "the guy".
 
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