2014 Draft - 3rd OV: Leon Draisaitl (Part II)

[Soli]

Continue.

 

[oil Leaks]

Lets get this party started: Bennett > Draisaitl

 

[Eirhead*]

It's not that simple though.

You have small players such as Andrew Cogliano who is one of the most durable players in the NHL. Henrik Sedin also is not very big and has been able to avoid injuries fairly well. Brad Boyes had a span of time where he played 513 consecutive games. The Kinesiology lesson you gave is correct sure, but there are a lot of other variables you aren't accounting for.

Are you seriously saying that because Draisatl is larger that you won't have to worry about injuries?

Well, I can't say that with absolute certainty obviously. In theory, with his frame, he should be less susceptible. Of course I don't know if his family has any issues with weak ankles, bad knees, etc. etc. But from the outset, I certainly like his odds better.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Draisaitl an Oiler from the Prince Albert Daily Herald

http://www.paherald.sk.ca/Sports/Hockey/2014-06-27/article-3779929/Draisaitl-an-Oiler/1

There is a list of notable NHL players that were drafted from the PA Raiders, bottom of article if your interested.

1986 -- RW - Kim Issel (Edmonton Oilers, 21st overall)

NHL totals: 4 GP, 0 G, 0 A, 0 PTS

1990 -- F - Scott Allison (Edmonton Oilers, 17th overall)

NHL totals: Did not play

1995 -- LW - Steve Kelly (Edmonton Oilers, 6th overall)

NHL totals: 149 GP, 9 G, 12 A, 21 PTS

2014 -- C - Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton Oilers, 3rd overall)*

NHL totals: Has not played

I'm gonna guess by 2045, the Oilers will draft a PA raider 1st overall, considering the trend.


Edit: Anyways really pumped to have Draisaitl, I will definitely be getting his Jersey to go along my Ryan Nugent Hopkins! Centers for the Wins!

 

[misfit]

Lets get this party started: Bennett > Draisaitl

Entirely possible, and even likely. That doesn't change the fact that Draisaitl was still the better fit for us.

Just think, if we'd taken Bennett, how many trade proposals do you think we'd have seen trading him off for a "big forward" who wasn't nearly as good as Draisatl after our first loss?

 

[Starbuds]

It's not that simple though.

You have small players such as Andrew Cogliano who is one of the most durable players in the NHL. Henrik Sedin also is not very big and has been able to avoid injuries fairly well. Brad Boyes had a span of time where he played 513 consecutive games. The Kinesiology lesson you gave is correct sure, but there are a lot of other variables you aren't accounting for.

Are you seriously saying that because Draisatl is larger that you won't have to worry about injuries?

Wow. Are you dismissing his science by simply listing a few examples? It's logical to say that a larger, more muscled person is less likely to sustain injury than a smaller person in a contact sport. What's next? We shouldn't harbour doubt in sub 5'10 men making the NBA because Nate Robinson and Muggsy Bouges made it? Variables after all.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Lets get this party started: Bennett > Draisaitl

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-Buddha

Jealousy is both reasonable and belongs to reasonable men, while envy is base and belongs to the base, for the one makes himself get good things by jealousy, while the other does not allow his neighbour to have them through envy.

-Aristotle

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-Xun Zi

Be happy with what you have. Draisaitl is a top prospect and he is an Oiler. I'm actually more happy drafting him then our previous drafts.

 

[Maverick41]

I really wanted to listen to the Don Cherry rant and found it here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

It's really weird because it is hilarious, embarrassing and sad at the same time.

 

[Seachd]

It's logical to say that a larger, more muscled person is less likely to sustain injury than a smaller person in a contact sport.

I've thought about this for years and I seriously wonder if this has any truth to it at all in hockey.

Do we really see smaller players get hurt more often?

 

[MettleMcOiler]

I really wanted to listen to the Don Cherry rant and found it here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

It's really weird because it is hilarious, embarrassing and sad at the same time.

I stopped listening to Don Cherry for years, his Bigotry is a stain in what it means to be Canadian, and ironic because he is lauded for his defense and praise of Canadian teams and players.

With the NHL, you should be critiqued as a hockey player, not from what country you were born.

Edit: If he just sticks to talking hockey, he's bearable.

 

[CornKicker]

I stopped listening to Don Cherry for years, his Bigotry is a stain in what it means to be Canadian, and ironic because he is lauded for his defense and praise of Canadian teams and players.

With the NHL, you should be critiqued as a hockey player, not from what country you were born.

everytime don cherry gets blasted for his racial and knowledgeable rants he dedicates 2 minutes to recognizing the military and all they do and hes all good again.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

I really wanted to listen to the Don Cherry rant and found it here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/hockey-central-at-noon/

It's really weird because it is hilarious, embarrassing and sad at the same time.

Is it a rant about picking Draisaitl? Just wondering what time about it's at, their player is giving me a headache.

 

[Starbuds]

I've thought about this for years and I seriously wonder if this has any truth to it at all in hockey.

Do we really see smaller players get hurt more often?

Well, to inflict the same proportional damage, more force needs to be applied to the larger object. Plus, being smaller makes you more likely to be launched into the boards, receive a head shot (head is closer to shoulders/elbows), get a puck/stick in the face, etc.

 

[gqmixmaster]

Draisaitl an Oiler from the Prince Albert Daily Herald

http://www.paherald.sk.ca/Sports/Hockey/2014-06-27/article-3779929/Draisaitl-an-Oiler/1

There is a list of notable NHL players that were drafted from the PA Raiders, bottom of article if your interested.





I'm gonna guess by 2045, the Oilers will draft a PA raider 1st overall, considering the trend.


Edit: Anyways really pumped to have Draisaitl, I will definitely be getting his Jersey to go along my Ryan Nugent Hopkins! Centers for the Wins!

if he hits sam bennett in his face in his first BOA against him i will buy a jersey with his name on it

 

[Maverick41]

Is it a rant about picking Draisaitl? Just wondering what time about it's at, their player is giving me a headache.

He starts of ranting about Toronto picking Nylander over Ritchie.
Then at about 7:40 he is asked about Draisaitl. Afterwards he also complains about Florida taking Barkov over Jones last year. That's when I stopped listening.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

if he hits sam bennett in his face in his first BOA against him i will buy a jersey with his name on it

if he does this to Bennett, would you still buy it?

 

[McShogun99]

Quote:

1986 -- RW - Kim Issel (Edmonton Oilers, 21st overall)

NHL totals: 4 GP, 0 G, 0 A, 0 PTS

1990 -- F - Scott Allison (Edmonton Oilers, 17th overall)

NHL totals: Did not play

1995 -- LW - Steve Kelly (Edmonton Oilers, 6th overall)

NHL totals: 149 GP, 9 G, 12 A, 21 PTS

2014 -- C - Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton Oilers, 3rd overall)*

NHL totals: Has not played

Looks like Edmonton drafting PA Raiders hasn't been kind to them. Hopefully Draisaitl can break that trend. Oh yeah, Bennett sucks...

 

[Seachd]

Well, to inflict the same proportional damage, more force needs to be applied to the larger object. Plus, being smaller makes you more likely to be launched into the boards, receive a head shot (head is closer to shoulders/elbows), get a puck/stick in the face, etc.

Understood. But do we actually see that?

From what I can tell, both big and small players deal with shoulder/knee injuries, pucks traveling at high speeds, concussions, freak incidents.

It doesn't seem to split by a big/small line.

 

[Starbuds]

Understood. But do we actually see that?

From what I can tell, both big and small players deal with shoulder/knee injuries, pucks traveling at high speeds, concussions, freak incidents.

It doesn't seem to split by a big/small line.

Seems impossibly convoluted to actually to actually measure and I don't think the old eye test is sufficient. It would also be safe to say that the small guys who can't take the physicality of the league are out it altogether more often than the big guys who can't take it. So the rate injuries would occur could be considered skewed in that regard.

 

[gqmixmaster]

if he does this to Bennett, would you still buy it?

yes especially if he does it lots - i want the oilers to hit them as much as possible to make up for regehr and phaneuf wrecking hemsky all the time

 

[SeriousBusiness]

Understood. But do we actually see that?

From what I can tell, both big and small players deal with shoulder/knee injuries, pucks traveling at high speeds, concussions, freak incidents.

It doesn't seem to split by a big/small line.

In terms of Bennett, I'd be more worried about his weight/frame moreso than his height.

I look at shoulder injuries like Hemsky has had and if hewere built more solid like a guy like Iggy or someone like that, I don't think they have the same issues.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Soli, you should change the picture to this:

 

[Stud Muffin]

In terms of Bennett, I'd be more worried about his weight/frame moreso than his height.

I look at shoulder injuries like Hemsky has had and if hewere built more solid like a guy like Iggy or someone like that, I don't think they have the same issues.

IMO there is no way that Bennett plays most of his carter at Centre.

 

[OVOXO*]

Entirely possible, and even likely. That doesn't change the fact that Draisaitl was still the better fit for us.

Just think, if we'd taken Bennett, how many trade proposals do you think we'd have seen trading him off for a "big forward" who wasn't nearly as good as Draisatl after our first loss?

Same people saying Bennett> Draisatl were probably saying Huberdeau and Couturier > Landeskog because of rankings.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

Same people saying Bennett> Draisatl were probably saying Huberdeau and Couturier > Landeskog because of rankings.

Yeah but he's all size and no skill