2014 Draft - 3rd OV: Leon Draisaitl (Part II)

[RipsADrive]

Same people saying Bennett> Draisatl were probably saying Huberdeau and Couturier > Landeskog because of rankings.

Besides that, it also has something to do with how he's a better skater, better 2-way player, grittier and has a better shot.

Whatever fits your narrative better though.

I was hoping to just move on from the discussion but the people dragging Bennett through the mud are just ridiculous. Calgary got a great player and one that is potentially better than ours. Accept it.

 

[IV XIV XCI]

Besides that, it also has something to do with how he's a better skater, better 2-way player, grittier and has a better shot.

Whatever fits your narrative better though.

I was hoping to just move on from the discussion but the people dragging Bennett through the mud are just ridiculous. Calgary got a great player and one that is potentially better than ours. Accept it.

You are doing the same thing.

Bottom line is - until we see these guys play 160-400+ games in the NHL, all the bickering amongst fans is equally correct or moot both ways.

No problem defending your opinion, but it goes both ways.

 

[sepHF]

Same people saying Bennett> Draisatl were probably saying Huberdeau and Couturier > Landeskog because of rankings.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=4971

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=1&year=2011

Rankings:

1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2. Gabriel Landeskog
3. Johnathan Huberdeau
4. Dougie Hamilton
5. Nathan Beaulieu
6. Sean Couturier

What do you mean?

 

[RipsADrive]

You are doing the same thing.

Bottom line is - until we see these guys play 160-400+ games in the NHL, all the bickering amongst fans is equally correct or moot both ways.

No problem defending your opinion, but it goes both ways.

Am I?

Someone posting a scouts opinions on Bennett was called were called out for trolling near the end of the part 1 thead. Bennett has now become smaller than Nuge and Draisaitl is going to be Thornton or Kopitar.

The "narrative" I'm pushing is backed up by pretty much every scouting service. The Oilers passed up the BPA in order to address team need.

Pretending differently is just doing yourself a disservice and makes the board look bad.

 

[sepHF]

Am I?

Someone posting a scouts opinions on Bennett was called were called out for trolling near the end of the part 1 thead. Bennett has now become smaller than Nuge and Draisaitl is going to be Thornton or Kopitar.

The "narrative" I'm pushing is backed up by pretty much every scouting service. The Oilers passed up the BPA in order to address team need.

Pretending differently is just doing yourself a disservice and makes the board look bad.

Cmon man, why wouldn't you trust the amazing Oilers scouts over every single professional scouting service and every scout Bob McKenzie interviewed?

Doesn't the Oilers draft record speak for itself? Sometimes you just need to trust the guys who have such a good track record.

 

[Raab]

Is it a rant about picking Draisaitl? Just wondering what time about it's at, their player is giving me a headache.

Not really he touches on it, but basically its another hate on Yakupov. You can say what you want but if the crap he was saying wasn't true he wouldn't be saying it. I think the rant is basically against the leafs for giving there fans the finger and selecting NO canadian/toronto area players in the draft. Also talks about Gagner and Purcell at the 13 minute mark.

 

[sepHF]

Not really he touches on it, but basically its another hate on Yakupov. You can say what you want but if the crap he was saying wasn't true he wouldn't be saying it. I think the rant is basically against the leafs for giving there fans the finger and selecting NO canadian/toronto area players in the draft.

He said Draisaitl is Russian, that definitely is not true.

 

[Raab]

He said Draisaitl is Russian, that definitely is not true.

His point still stands that you probably wont win drafting russians/foreigners... Look at the teams who have won the cup the last few years and how many Canadians have been on those teams?

 

[sepHF]

His point still stands that you probably wont win drafting russians/foreigners... Look at the teams who have won the cup the last few years and how many Canadians have been on those teams?

Considering the vast majority of NHL players are Canadian that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Look at Detroit, they have done great with Russians / Europeans.

Look at LA:

Quick is American
Their leading goal scorer in the playoffs was Slovakian
Their best player is Slovenian

 

[Arpeggio]

His point still stands that you probably wont win drafting russians/foreigners... Look at the teams who have won the cup the last few years and how many Canadians have been on those teams?

Kings don't win without Kopitar, Gaborik, and Quick. Hawks don't win without Kane and Hossa. Bruins don't win without Chara, Thomas, Krecji. Penguins don't win without Malkin. Red Wings don't win without Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.

Honestly that is the dumbest argument (pertaining to hockey) that I've ever heard.

 

[Raab]

Considering the vast majority of NHL players are Canadian that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Look at Detroit, they have done great with Russians / Europeans.

And thats the point, if the majority of players are Canadians. Dont you think it makes sense to take a canadian over a foreign prospect of similar skill level?

 

[sepHF]

And thats the point, if the majority of players are Canadians. Dont you think it makes sense to take a canadian over a foreign prospect of similar skill level?

I wanted Bennett but their country of origin had nothing to do with it

 

[Aceboogie]

His point still stands that you probably wont win drafting russians/foreigners... Look at the teams who have won the cup the last few years and how many Canadians have been on those teams?

Oh god.

Yes, the bottom 6 of most NHL teams is littered with Canadians (because Europenans choose the SEL/KHL), its the high end talent that is doing the damage.

Kopitar, Kane, Chara, Hossa, Gaborik, Krecji Thomas, Rask all played MAJOR parts on the cup runs, probaly just as important as Toews, Doughty, Keith, Bergeron.

Not to mention, one of the best teams in the past 20 years, the Red Wings, were succesfull mainly because of Europeans (and dirty russians).

Cherry needs to go, and take his completely false narratives with him

 

[Aceboogie]

Kings don't win without Kopitar, Gaborik, and Quick. Hawks don't win without Kane and Hossa. Bruins don't win without Chara, Thomas, Krecji. Penguins don't win without Malkin. Red Wings don't win without Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.

Honestly that is the dumbest argument (pertaining to hockey) that I've ever heard.

Didnt see this comment before I posted, bang on 100%

Europeans have played just as big of a part as Canadians

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Kings don't win without Kopitar, Gaborik, and Quick. Hawks don't win without Kane and Hossa. Bruins don't win without Chara, Thomas, Krecji. Penguins don't win without Malkin. Red Wings don't win without Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.

Honestly that is the dumbest argument (pertaining to hockey) that I've ever heard.

Great unbiased post, love these type of responses, so damn refreshing with posters with common sense.

 

[Mr Forever]

Kings don't win without Kopitar, Gaborik, and Quick. Hawks don't win without Kane and Hossa. Bruins don't win without Chara, Thomas, Krecji. Penguins don't win without Malkin. Red Wings don't win without Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall.

Honestly that is the dumbest argument (pertaining to hockey) that I've ever heard.

Honestly, you would be hard pressed to find any teams who have won in the past like, 30 years without any euros playing key roles.

Our dynasty in the 80s was certainly helped by euros, Kurri in particular.

 

[Raab]

Oh god.

Yes, the bottom 6 of most NHL teams is littered with Canadians (because Europenans choose the SEL/KHL), its the high end talent that is doing the damage.

Kopitar, Kane, Chara, Hossa, Gaborik, Krecji Thomas, Rask all played MAJOR parts on the cup runs, probaly just as important as Toews, Doughty, Keith, Bergeron.

Not to mention, one of the best teams in the past 20 years, the Red Wings, were succesfull mainly because of Europeans (and dirty russians).

Cherry needs to go, and take his completely false narratives with him

The Red Wings won because they had one of the best defencemen of all time who happened to be Swedish. I'm not saying all foreign players are bad. But to not pick ANY Canadians as a canadian team that sticks out to me. Also you don't have to worry about a Canadian player bolting to the SEL/KHL/ETC... IMO when it comes to drafting it makes no sense to take a foreign player over a canadian if they both have a similar skill level. The worst thing I can say about drafting a canadian player is that they may ask for a trade, but compared to the headaches you can get from some of the other foreign players thats nothing. Now I'm not saying to never pick a foreign guy, but what I am saying is they should be worth the risk.

 

[McShogun99]

I wanted Bennett but their country of origin had nothing to do with it

I would have wanted Bennett if our top 6 didn't have RNH, Eberle, Perron and Yakupov already in it. It would be like playing that old Nintendo Ice Hockey game and picking a team entirely of all the small guys.

 

[sepHF]

I would have wanted Bennett if our top 6 didn't have RNH, Eberle, Perron and Yakupov already in it. It would be like playing that old Nintendo Ice Hockey game and picking a team entirely of all the small guys.

I'm just really set on BPA this high in the draft, but it is what it is. I like Leon.

great game btw

 

[Eirhead*]

Yeah but he's all size and no skill

 

[OVOXO*]

I'm just really set on BPA this high in the draft, but it is what it is. I like Leon.

great game btw

After Murray and Yakupov fiasco where I thought Yak was BPA and was all for it, I don't care about BPA anymore.

 

[Aceboogie]

The Red Wings won because they had one of the best defencemen of all time who happened to be Swedish. I'm not saying all foreign players are bad. But to not pick ANY Canadians as a canadian team that sticks out to me. Also you don't have to worry about a Canadian player bolting to the SEL/KHL/ETC... IMO when it comes to drafting it makes no sense to take a foreign player over a canadian if they both have a similar skill level. The worst thing I can say about drafting a canadian player is that they may ask for a trade, but compared to the headaches you can get from some of the other foreign players thats nothing. Now I'm not saying to never pick a foreign guy, but what I am saying is they should be worth the risk.

Or like good ole Canadian boys like Spezza and Heatley (and numerous others)demanding trades. E. Kane and Phanuef seem to be bigger locker room cancers than any Russian. Demanding a trade is just as bad as bolting to Russia, sure you get some compensation (not much in comparison to if they didnt), but with the stricter transfer rules, I doubt this happens much again. I have also yet to see a legit top 6 player bolt to the SEL.

In fact, LD has more character than most Canadian prospects as he left his home at 16 to travel to a entirely different country/ culutre to play hockey in a less than ideal city. If thats not dedication towards playing in the NHL, I dont know what is.

You will rarely ever find two exact players with similar skill sets and talent levels. But say for arguments sake it was Reinhart and Bennettov, I might agree with you if Bennett was playing for CKSA Moscow right now. But LD is playing in NA, and German, so no risk of him going. In the case of Yakupov there was no forward close to his level, save for Galchenyuk was injured the whole season. But who also spent his formative years in Russian, so is just as much of a flight risk.

As for later round picks, you find much more value in Russian players who were passed up by Cherry indoctorined GMs, and often get alot of value for them. Yakimov is clear case of a 1st/2nd round talent passed up due to russian influence. He is already coming to NA after one season. The Bolts are making out like bandits with these Russian picks, and I want to join them so bad. They are stacked with good Russian prospects in the AHL. Instead we are stuck with some extremely poor prospects from the good ole BCHL who will never make it.

 

[Eirhead*]

Considering the vast majority of NHL players are Canadian that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Look at Detroit, they have done great with Russians / Europeans.

Look at LA:

Quick is American
Their leading goal scorer in the playoffs was Slovakian
Their best player is Slovenian

Babcock, Canadian
Sutter, Canadian

FIRE EAKINS!

 

[Raab]

Or like good ole Canadian boys like Spezza and Heatley (and numerous others)demanding trades. E. Kane and Phanuef seem to be bigger locker room cancers than any Russian. Demanding a trade is just as bad as bolting to Russia, sure you get some compensation, but with the stricter transfer rules, I doubt this happens much again. I have also yet to see a legit top 6 player bolt to the SEL.

In fact, LD has more character than most Canadian prospects as he left his home at 16 to travel to a entirely different country/ culutre to play hockey in a less than ideal city. If thats not dedication towards playing in the NHL, I dont know what is.

You will rarely ever find two exact players with similar skill sets and talent levels. But say for arguments sake it was Reinhart and Bennettov, I might agree with you if Bennett was playing for CKSA Moscow right now. But LD is playing in NA, and German, so no risk of him going. In the case of Yakupov there was no forward close to his level, save for Galchenyuk was injured the whole season. But who also spent his formative years in Russian, so is just as much of a flight risk.

As for later round picks, you find much more value in Russian players who were passed up by Cherry indoctorined GMs, and often get alot of value for them. Yakimov is clear case of a 1st/2nd round talent passed up due to russian influence. He is already coming to NA after one season. The Bolts are making out like bandits with these Russian picks, and I want to join them so bad. They are stacked with good Russian prospects in the AHL. Instead we are stuck with some extremely poor prospects from the good ole BCHL who will never make it.

Yakupov did the same thing, then ran to his agent who threatened to ask for a trade or go to the KHL if he didn't start getting top 6 minutes. I'm not saying Draisaitl is going to do it but you never know. And I wanted Yakupov at the time, now I'm not so sure as Murray is looking pretty good.

And I disagree about taking guys out of the BCHL, and you have no idea how these kids will pan out so please don't say you do. To get the point across how about you name me the last Russian captain to win a cup? Actually how about you name me all the European captains to have won cup vs the canadian captains?

 

[sepHF]

After Murray and Yakupov fiasco where I thought Yak was BPA and was all for it, I don't care about BPA anymore.

I wouldn't write Yakupov off so early. Murray hasn't exactly blown the doors off the hinges yet either.