Xoggz22
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What would be outlandish would be giving up a first round pick to move a guy off your roster. There is absolutely no reason for the cbj to do this.
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What would be outlandish would be giving up a first round pick to move a guy off your roster. There is absolutely no reason for the cbj to do this.
Why? I guess I don't understand why no one would even consider it. If this draft is as weak as they say it is, how is a middle first rounder necessarily more valuable than the cap space and cash freed up from getting rid of Umberger. It's not like they would be making this trade for future considerations. They are going to get picks back. I've said it several times, whether the first round pick is moved in this type of deal or not, I just have a gut feeling that the first round pick is as good as traded. I think there's a little bit of heat on the front office to take another, bigger step.
A year of experience for Jenner and Murray, a healthy Horton and a winning season with a couple playoff wins which was a 1st for a lot of our roster should lead to a nice internal step. Kekalainen does not seem like the type to take a draft pick off the board unless he very strongly feels it benefits the team in a major way. A little cap space is not a major way
You still have to pay cash for the compliance buyout. If you use a compliance buyout, sure you don't take a cap hit, but it still is money being paid out that could be used toward a better player. To me, cap hits are made to be manipulated. Hypothetically, lets say the Jackets are in a position to land the top notch free agent in the market. They negotiate a contract with a cap hit that fits, but it's a heavily front loaded contract and they are a million and a half short on available cash (not cap space) to make the deal fit into their budget. The reason is because of the compliance buyout.
4.8M is a little cap space? There are much better players that have a cap hit less than Umberger that could improve this club in a major way.
Cause it isn't a smart move. Just buy him out if you don't want him. Trading a mid first round pick to get rid of him is not smart.
Im sure they'd find the money. This teams recent success has put a lot more hope back in the fan base and with hope comes support and money. They'll pay to win I'm sure.
Again, why? Because it's a first round pick? Not all first round picks are created equal, as this organization is all to familiar with.
Xoggz22
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For one, 1st round picks are significant assets, not throw away. Two, young players are cost controlled for several years. Three, the CBJ don't need the cap space. Although clearly it would be better to move him to open a roster spot. Four, there will be a team that will TRADE an asset TO the CBJ as part of a deal with Umberger. Five, there are other avenue's such as retained salary to put Umberger in a manageable cost point attractive to another team.
you simply don't throw away 1st rd picks. That's my opinion.
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I'd say that's a bit more than opinion. More like common sense. If a GM is dumb enough to package a 1st just to dump a player, he needs to be fired ASAP.
It's a moot point though. Umbie wouldn't waive for Buffalo, especially if he thought they were going to just buy him out. He wants to be traded to a decent team and keep his current contract.
This is a great discussion, you guys are covering thing well. Sorry to muddy it with my commentary...
... but just to chime in, mainly in regards to Portzline's piece. I like the idea of resigning Skille. Put me in the camp that believes he could take a step with more ice time. I like his edge and his shot seems dangerous.
Don't really have a problem with McElhinney, seems like the price could be right and while his positioning was an adventure last season, he did get the job done for the most part.
Please bring DMac back, and give him a raise. Very valuable guy for us I think.
2 more things:
I'll be sorry to see Nikitin go. I liked him back there in general, I feel he was quiet and steady. I'll certainly root for him wherever he goes.
Lastly, I'm swayed by the arguments not to trade a first to shake Umby. That's as deep as I'm able to go on that one.
As a bonus: I have no idea what Jarmo will do. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed conservative and that's what I'd prefer him to do. I also don't rule out a major move. I'm nervous about that though.
Go Jackets!
... but just to chime in, mainly in regards to Portzline's piece. I like the idea of resigning Skille. Put me in the camp that believes he could take a step with more ice time. I like his edge and his shot seems dangerous.
Don't really have a problem with McElhinney, seems like the price could be right and while his positioning was an adventure last season, he did get the job done for the most part.
Please bring DMac back, and give him a raise. Very valuable guy for us I think.
2 more things:
I'll be sorry to see Nikitin go. I liked him back there in general, I feel he was quiet and steady. I'll certainly root for him wherever he goes.
Lastly, I'm swayed by the arguments not to trade a first to shake Umby. That's as deep as I'm able to go on that one.
As a bonus: I have no idea what Jarmo will do. I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed conservative and that's what I'd prefer him to do. I also don't rule out a major move. I'm nervous about that though.
Go Jackets!
Xoggz22
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Only my opinion but hey, that's what these boards are for right? 
I have to think that if Mac and Skille are both re-signed then a trade is in the works. I just don't see this team standing pat. I know it could be GM and POHOP speak but they have mentioned on more than one occasion the need to get faster (with the puck and with foot speed). Skille has the foot speed but he's a bottom 6 guy with some skill. I don't see him as a top 6 improvement (I like him, just don't see him top 6).
No way we go into next season with the same top 6 (I'm including Horton as the expected top 6 and not factoring him in as the "change"). We have bullets. Something is going to happen to add to the top 6.
I have to think that if Mac and Skille are both re-signed then a trade is in the works. I just don't see this team standing pat. I know it could be GM and POHOP speak but they have mentioned on more than one occasion the need to get faster (with the puck and with foot speed). Skille has the foot speed but he's a bottom 6 guy with some skill. I don't see him as a top 6 improvement (I like him, just don't see him top 6).No way we go into next season with the same top 6 (I'm including Horton as the expected top 6 and not factoring him in as the "change"). We have bullets. Something is going to happen to add to the top 6.
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Offseason to-do list (in no particular order):
1) Hire 1-2 assistant coach(es)
2) Trade Umberger
3) Draft
4) sign Johansen
5) sign Mackenzie
6) decisions on other RFA players (while likely allowing the current UFA to test the market)
7) assess the NHL-ready young blueliners (Savard/Prout/Erixon/Goloubef)
8) add top 6, preferably top line, wing
Most are obvious. I added #5 rather than lumping him in #6 because I think he stands out among the crop of free agents.
I consider this a baseline. There are other possibilities, depending on how frisky the FO is feeling. What happens with #s 2, 7 & 8 could lead to other items being added to the list. I would guess there might be a baseline item or two I've missed.
1) Hire 1-2 assistant coach(es)
2) Trade Umberger
3) Draft
4) sign Johansen
5) sign Mackenzie
6) decisions on other RFA players (while likely allowing the current UFA to test the market)
7) assess the NHL-ready young blueliners (Savard/Prout/Erixon/Goloubef)
8) add top 6, preferably top line, wing
Most are obvious. I added #5 rather than lumping him in #6 because I think he stands out among the crop of free agents.
I consider this a baseline. There are other possibilities, depending on how frisky the FO is feeling. What happens with #s 2, 7 & 8 could lead to other items being added to the list. I would guess there might be a baseline item or two I've missed.
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Right ahead of Gabby.
I think he would be worth a flier if the cost wasn't ridiculous. Maybe a 2nd and either Golobuef or Erixon (one of them is pretty much gone imo).
Maybe he just needs a change of scenery to blossom (like Gabby)
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Just browsing around Cap Geek and came across this:
So if they can't trade Umbie and want to buy him out he has to go through waivers. He has a NTC but not a NMC so we could possibly get rid of him for no money cost but also no asset in return.
Am I reading this right?
So if they can't trade Umbie and want to buy him out he has to go through waivers. He has a NTC but not a NMC so we could possibly get rid of him for no money cost but also no asset in return.
Am I reading this right?
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I see their reasoning ... recent #1 overall pick, still super young, plenty of ceiling...
But, I agree. The best thing that happened to our franchise (other than the hiring of Davidson and Kekalainen) was losing that stupid draft lottery. Everyone was upset and hated Steve Tambellini (rightfully so) ... but, it allowed us to miss out on the pressure of having to take him first overall.
Imagine how much different things would be right now ...
Considering Howson wanted no part of Yakupov and multiple sources saying he'd never take him, probably the same.
Myself and a lot of others were pretty pissed when that news came out (not that it ended up mattering). Guess we were dead wrong.
Xoggz22
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Yes, CBJ could waive him. Unfortunately there are no re-entry waivers any more so someone would have to pick up his full salary and term if they claimed him Granted that gets around the NTC if a team he has on his "do not trade" list wants him.
If there is a team that woudl want him they'll want to send back someone with money/term or ask for retention of salary. It's the only way I see him moving and getting any "asset" back.
...Great rookie season in lockout-KHL, great rookie season in NHL after that draft.
Depending on the price I can't come up with any reasons why you shouldn't trade for him given that the price is right.
Even if that kind of a deal would break up any Umberger-Johnson dynamics already in place. Since there perhaps ain't any other player in the current roster capable of moving mountains of Jakupov size in a trade while still not giving too much in return besides 'leadership'.
Should be interesting to see who of the undervalued or underappreciated is willing to come to Columbus this summer.
Sure, it all depends on the price. I'd like to see Yakopov in Columbus, but I also don't see any way that Columbus would pay the price the Oilers are likely to want. And I don't blame Edmonton, either, for holding onto him until they have a better gauge on the type of player he can actually become.
I'd be interested in Yakopov if the price was cheap. We need an elite scorer and he's at least got the pedigree. Maybe having 3 other Russians on the team could unlock him. But again, the price would have to be cheap
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