2014-2015 Champions Hockey League

[Vicente]

ok, then you will be suprised in near future

Well. KHL promised to get top teams from EU nations for the last 6 years. And all they got from EU as expansion were Medvescak and Slovan, two teams of the poorest countries in all of EU + Jokerit, a team from a very small market like Finland who have 1/20th of the inhabitants of Germany or Italy. Applause to that.

CHL is doing the right thing. Its governed by all the big EU leagues.

 

[Babula]

How is it incomparable?

because one match or tourney or whatever can't say anything. Everybody has to know it's NHL 1st KHL 2nd and domestic leagues far behind right now. If the Chl champion will beat NHl champion next season, you can't say CHL is better league than NHL - compare the incomparable.

 

[Urbanskog]

Well. KHL promised to get top teams from EU nations for the last 6 years. And all they got from EU as expansion were Medvescak and Slovan, two teams of the poorest countries in all of EU + Jokerit, a team from a very small market like Finland who have 1/20th of the inhabitants of Germany or Italy. Applause to that.

CHL is doing the right thing. Its governed by all the big EU leagues.

Guess that the Czech Republic and Latvia don't count as EU countries then. I was also under the impression that Bulgaria and Romania were the poorest EU countries. Comparing populations of Italy and Finland is utter nonsense as the sport is infinitely times more popular in Finland than it's in Italy.

 

[Babula]

The CHL is a joint venture which a lot of teams have a stake in. It's not an invitiational exhibition tourney and it feels like the time is right for it and that it has an organization to back it up.
It's a different time now with the KHL's aggressive expansion, so I'd say all leagues agree this time that this is the right way forward and they want to invest in it.

CHL had always issue with many game in exhibition tempo. Always some games had looked weaker than games at Spengler cup.

 

[Babula]

I don't know what you're trying to say here, quite frankly. Jokerit have banners for their two European Cup wins and TPS have banners for their European Cup and EHL win. Should a Finnish club win the CHL, of course they will have a banner raised at their arena.

I'm not going to compare Spengler with CHL, nevermind. If you have banner celebrating the win in CHL, for me it means nothing. Probably the less than participating at Spengler.

 

[Atas2000]

Again, why do you insist on bringing the IIHF into this? They are not running the league, they are only a minority shareholder. It is the clubs that provided the terms by which KHL clubs could join, they didn't accept them, case closed. Please stop insulting everyone's intelligence by constantly blaming the IIHF.

It's insulting the intelligence itself denying that the IIHF is a big part of the story here. The main part actually.

 

[Jussi]

I'm not going to compare Spengler with CHL, nevermind. If you have banner celebrating the win in CHL, for me it means nothing. Probably the less than participating at Spengler.

The mere fact that there's actual prize money to be won in the CHL puts it ahead of the Spengler Cup.

 

[Jussi]

It's insulting the intelligence itself denying that the IIHF is a big part of the story here. The main part actually.

Since the CHL is a direct descendant of the Nordic and European Trophys, which were created by the clubs, that means it is not IIHF's creation nor project. Even Kalervo Kummola has said a year or two ago that the clubs are the driving force, IIHF would be merely in an administrative role. Trying to deny those facts makes you nothing more than akin to a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Babula]

The mere fact that there's actual prize money to be won in the CHL puts it ahead of the Spengler Cup.

even if single match hasn't been played yet. I have no inclination to fight this nonsense.

 

[vorky]

@Jussi

Prize money which does not cover travelling costs.....

 

[Jussi]

even if single match hasn't been played yet. I have no inclination to fight this nonsense.

Hey, if vorky is allowed to claim the Hopeless Cup is better than the CHL due to prize money, then I can do the same with CHL ->Spengeler Cup.

 

[NicoSB]

@Jussi

Prize money which does not cover travelling costs.....

Too easy. Prize money isn't the only source of money

 

[Slimmy]

because one match or tourney or whatever can't say anything. Everybody has to know it's NHL 1st KHL 2nd and domestic leagues far behind right now. If the Chl champion will beat NHl champion next season, you can't say CHL is better league than NHL - compare the incomparable.

I never said it would decide which was the best league. Make it a best of 3 then or some kind of group stage first and then elimination games. Whatever format, it could be a lot of fun.

 

[Babula]

I never said it would decide which was the best league. Make it a best of 3 then or some kind of group stage first and then elimination games. Whatever format, it could be a lot of fun.

you've said truly best. What that really means ?

What this can really decide in your opinion ?

 

[Slimmy]

Funny this coming from a Swede. Your league and hockey are permanently plundered by the NHL. The KHL in the long run would give you a chnace to ave your swedish stars play at home in front of you actually and not in the middle of the night. Yet, you see the KHL as a threat and wish it to fail. I see a great deal of the Cold War and ongoing anti-russian propaganda in it, rather than common sense.

That's just pure ignorance. It couldn't possibly be that I enjoy my domestic league, the rivalries, the fact that it's not a closed league and that having a democratic proses where fans/members of the clubs have influence over the decision making in the club and have representation in the league? No, you're right. I'd much rather piss that away and have my team join a Russian circus-league where a few russian oligarchs decide what I think.

What status and legitimacy are you talking about. Those leagues are player supply farm leagues now, they were that before and would stay that, unless for some healthy cooperation in Europe instead of Fasel's ill advised projects. Even the KHL is still talent drained by the NHL, bu there would be a slim chance of changing that, but Europeans are so NA centric, they won't even try.

We're trying right now, but I won't have it the Russian way or the highway. That's not cooperation.

[mod]

And it is about money, much more money. As I already wrote of course for comparable money most players would sty home. If you read the above having a league in Europe where star players would stay home is what the KHL could offer if you wouldn't be so stubborn prejudiced about Russia.

So, none of my points hit home.. The NHL is simply more prestigious, more glamorous and pays very well. Another big part is that NA is culturally very similar to Sweden. It holds more liberal values and won't be a big change for players moving there. It also offers college education for young talents who want to combine hockey and academic studies. Russian can't compete with that. It could keep some of it's talent from going to the NHL, but it will not lure swedish talent to the KHL. Just won't happen. It's a pipe dream.

This is partially over and soon will vanish. At the beginning the KHL had no choice but to lure big names with money regardles of their age. In the near future it will change.

Sure it will..

The IIHF wanted the KHL to pay all the bills and have a cut. That's not how it works.

That's pure bull.

 

[Slimmy]

you've said truly best. What that really means ?

What this can really decide in your opinion ?

Which is the best hockey team from these three leagues shouldn't be decided by which of the leagues has better/more status. It should be decided on the ice.

 

[Babula]

Which is the best hockey team from these three leagues shouldn't be decided by which of the leagues has better/more status. It should be decided on the ice.

I see now. Which champion of these three has a better current performance (not truly best). That's why I'm not so interested about...

 

[PuckOut]

So we get to go to Berlin again.

I hope they set a good date, if so the party will be even bigger this time! If the timing is right we could bring a 1000 supporters.



We also got PSG Zlin and Freiburg-Gotteron, I hope to travel to at least one of those games as well. Exciting times!

 

[Slimmy]

So we get to go to Berlin again.

I hope they set a good date, if so the party will be even bigger this time! If the timing is right we could bring a 1000 supporters.



We also got PSG Zlin and Freiburg-Gotteron, I hope to travel to at least one of those games as well. Exciting times!

I'm so god damn jealous of you guys. Would love to have Frölunda in that group.

 

[PuckOut]

I'm so god damn jealous of you guys. Would love to have Frölunda in that group.

Berlin is pretty special for sure. Would have loved Hamburg or Helsinki as well. Nottingham would have been an absolute dream, although the seeding made that impossible.

You got Geneva though which should be doable. Or Briancon if you want to go outside the box!

 

[Slimmy]

Berlin is pretty special for sure. Would have loved Hamburg or Helsinki as well. Nottingham would have been an absolute dream, although the seeding made that impossible.

You got Geneva though which should be doable. Or Briancon if you want to go outside the box!

Yeah, I'm already making plans with a friend to travel to Geneve for the group stage game. I've been to Berlin a few times already so Switzerland and Geneve will be interesting. But Berlin is hard to beat.

An hour by plain, aswell. That's what it would take for me to fly from GBG to Stockholm. Well, almost.

 

[SCBdude]

Just got my SC Bern season ticket info for this season. CHL games are not included, again, which means that attendance will suck, again.

 

[pulverapa]

This time around I think CHL will do better than last time. Last time was not a complete disaster, attendances were pretty good.

I believe the format, copied from the Football Champions League, is what will make this tournament more fun than before. The schedule is supposed to be announced tomorrow, Friday.

 

[Cruor]

Just got my SC Bern season ticket info for this season. CHL games are not included, again, which means that attendance will suck, again.

I've never heard of cup tickets being included in season tickets, in any sport. Or does that usually happen?

 

[SCBdude]

I've never heard of cup tickets being included in season tickets, in any sport. Or does that usually happen?

Swiss Cup games are included. And if they included CHL games as well, people would come and watch. Last time they played in front of 8'000 people, which in Bern is horrible.