Prospect Info: 2013 Sharks Draft Review/Info megathread

[oyster]

"Doug, If you don't stop rephrasing my questions in totally different words, I'm hanging up."

 

[do0glas]

talking in the CBJ draft video thread, a guy in there states he knows minor euro scout for the sharks and they had mueller just outside of the big 5, with seth jones upside.

if thats the case, then we lucked out getting him at 18 and keeping the extra 2nd.

 

[sr228]

talking in the CBJ draft video thread, a guy in there states he knows minor euro scout for the sharks and they had mueller just outside of the big 5, with seth jones upside.

if thats the case, then we lucked out getting him at 18 and keeping the extra 2nd.

I don't believe either of those things to be the case. I do think the org believes he has top pairing upside though.

I have my reasons but something Gross said in the interview hints at Mueller not being their #1 choice, specifically the 'starting to go' comment:

And, at the time we drafted, he was one of maybe four guys we were very interested in. And the reason we moved up was because that small little package of guys were starting to go and so we had to move up to get after this guy.

 

[do0glas]

I don't believe either of those things to be the case. I do think the org believes he has top pairing upside though.

I have my reasons but something Gross said in the interview hints at Mueller not being their #1 choice, specifically the 'starting to go' comment:

i was dubious as well. i dont see why he couldnt hit top pairing...whether thats as a defensive d man, or fully two way is another story.

 

[whlscowt]

Any links to anymore Draft videos? I really liked that stuff. I felt like I just saw how hot dogs were made.

 

[hohosaregood]

i was dubious as well. i dont see why he couldnt hit top pairing...whether thats as a defensive d man, or fully two way is another story.

If he became a bigger Vlasic with an outlet pass then that'd be amazing. Vlasic-Mueller shutdown pairing. *drool*

 

[sr228]

Any links to anymore Draft videos? I really liked that stuff. I felt like I just saw how hot dogs were made.

Philadelphia and Buffalo both did them, I don't have links but both were posted on the team websites (and I'm sure they're posted somewhere on HF). Neither are nearly as interesting as Columbus' in my opinion.

 

[Juxtaposer]

'Just outside the big-5'? I thought it was a big-7 (Mack/Jo/Jones/Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan/Nichushkin)? No way DW would pass on the 67. I call ******** there.

 

[hockfan1991]

talking in the CBJ draft video thread, a guy in there states he knows minor euro scout for the sharks and they had mueller just outside of the big 5, with seth jones upside.

if thats the case, then we lucked out getting him at 18 and keeping the extra 2nd.

Or we biffed it big time. The door swings both ways

 

[oyster]

If he became a bigger Vlasic with an outlet pass then that'd be amazing. Vlasic-Mueller shutdown pairing. *drool*

I'd be happy with Vlasic with a slapshot.

 

[sr228]

If he became a bigger Vlasic with an outlet pass then that'd be amazing. Vlasic-Mueller shutdown pairing. *drool*

Obviously a lot can happen in the next 3 years or so but I don't see those two being paired together - they play the same side and considering the depth the team has on the right side I don't see any reason to have either of them switch sides.

I think the Sharks likely targeted Mueller not just due to his upside but because he's a two way (puck moving) left side D which the org is lacking in a big way. The only one they have in their pipeline right now is Abeltshauser. All of the other puck movers are right side d-men.

I don't think that the Sharks draft based on need in the first round but I do think his actual position could've been the difference in him being chosen over another player.

 

[hohosaregood]

Obviously a lot can happen in the next 3 years or so but I don't see those two being paired together - they play the same side and considering the depth the team has on the right side I don't see any reason to have either of them switch sides.

I think the Sharks likely targeted Mueller not just due to his upside but because he's a two way (puck moving) left side D which the org is lacking in a big way. The only one they have in their pipeline right now is Abeltshauser. All of the other puck movers are right side d-men.

I don't think that the Sharks draft based on need in the first round but I do think his actual position could've been the difference in him being chosen over another player.

I was just kind of rosterbating really. Seeing as how Mueller seemingly has considerable defensive upside and he can also pass, if we were ever in the position where we needed to absolutely shutdown a line, a Vlasic-Mueller pairing would do the job but I actually didn't know they played on the same side. But you're right, a lot can happen between now and then.

 

[do0glas]

i like that he has the ability to line up on the right on the PP. good off the draw

 

[Juxtaposer]

Mueller, stylistically, would be a good long-term partner for someone like Jason Demers or Matt Tennyson. I don't want him with Vlasic at all, Vlasic can do well with scrubs.

Vlasic (#2) - Braun (#4)
Mueller (#3) - Tennyson (#4)
Irwin (#5) - Demers (#4-5)

is more than likely how the org-depth stacks up. Add wildcards like Konard, etc.

Bottom line is we need a guy who's at least a high-end #2. Burns works there, but then we have absolutely nothing after Couture and hopefully Hertl and Nieto up front.

Vlasic-Braun
Mueller-Burns
Irwin-Tennyson/Demers

would be pretty ideal, assuming Mueller hits his upside (or close to it).

 

[do0glas]

Mueller, stylistically, would be a good long-term partner for someone like Jason Demers or Matt Tennyson. I don't want him with Vlasic at all, Vlasic can do well with scrubs.

Vlasic (#2) - Braun (#4)
Mueller (#3) - Tennyson (#4)
Irwin (#5) - Demers (#4-5)

is more than likely how the org-depth stacks up. Add wildcards like Konard, etc.

Bottom line is we need a guy who's at least a high-end #2. Burns works there, but then we have absolutely nothing after Couture and hopefully Hertl and Nieto up front.

Vlasic-Braun
Mueller-Burns
Irwin-Tennyson/Demers

would be pretty ideal, assuming Mueller hits his upside (or close to it).

Im almost worried that burns becomes indispensable as a forward haha. Hertl is the only potential RW we have coming through the system that could play in the top 6. but is he pegged as a pavs replacement long term?

if things go how the org would want

?-couture-?
nieto-pavs-
-hertl-kennedy
desijardins-hamilton-burish

vlasic/burns
mueller/braun (depending on if mueller trends offensively or defensively)
irwin/demers/tennyson (i personally see tennyson raising his stock considerably, but for now ill put him as reserve)

Vlasic can do well with a scrub, but not offensively. id rather maximize burns.

if mueller pans out offensively [~30 points] braun can play an above average two way game...seems like a good mobile pair than can hang as they get experience. if mueller trends defensively then id put him with burns.

irwin main offensive threat, tennyson or demers puck movement from right. seem

 

[sr228]

Im almost worried that burns becomes indispensable as a forward haha. Hertl is the only potential RW we have coming through the system that could play in the top 6. but is he pegged as a pavs replacement long term?

if things go how the org would want

?-couture-?
nieto-pavs-
-hertl-kennedy
desijardins-hamilton-burish

vlasic/burns
mueller/braun (depending on if mueller trends offensively or defensively)
irwin/demers/tennyson (i personally see tennyson raising his stock considerably, but for now ill put him as reserve)

Vlasic can do well with a scrub, but not offensively. id rather maximize burns.

if mueller pans out offensively [~30 points] braun can play an above average two way game...seems like a good mobile pair than can hang as they get experience. if mueller trends defensively then id put him with burns.

irwin main offensive threat, tennyson or demers puck movement from right. seem

There are other prospects that could play top 6 RW but trying to figure out a lineup 3 years into the future just seems like an exercise in futility to me. As I said to hohos above a lot can happen and I'd guess the chances of all of the players you have listed above still being in the org when the 2016 season starts are not great.

 

[do0glas]

There are other prospects that could play top 6 RW but trying to figure out a lineup 3 years into the future just seems like an exercise in futility to me. As I said to hohos above a lot can happen and I'd guess the chances of all of the players you have listed above still being in the org when the 2016 season starts are not great.

yes, well i think burns at F or D is really what im getting at. as it has a huge impact of the direction of the franchise.

i meant to show that without burns in the top 6 we have some huge holes to fill to move on from marleau/thornton, and im curious as to how the org looks at this in terms of their extensions.