Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part IV: Streit's rights to PHI for 2014 4th Rounder

[NYR Viper]

He is a big smart kid. I think he was a very good pick.

Eliteprospects description of him is pretty good:


I think the key here is his authority and smarts. When he played in rookie camp for us, and when he has played junior hockey in Sweden, he justs steps out on the ice and scores a bunch of easy goals without in any way dominate with end-to-end rushes or something like that. 27 pts in 22 games in the top junior league in Sweden is impressive, and if I remember correctly he scored a bunch of goals during scrimmages last summer at rookie camp.

He is still very youngish so to speak on the ice though, so I don't think 2 years in anyway is a long time frame to give him. Some kids are fully developed and slimmed down when they are 18. Some kids have no mucle when they are 18. Andersson is at 212 lbs, but that is definitely not all muscle, but more like "babyfat" in lack of a better word. That is what is holding him back. The explosiveness is just not there yet. I think he is more of a kid who will arrive when he is 24-25 y/o, not 21-22 y/o. I just think it has more to do with how he physically has developed and how he is built. Somehow, we gotta lock him up though so that we don't loose his rights. Give him two years in the SEL, then sign him and lend him to the SEL for another year. That's still only 3 years and a little on the short side. The SEL is a good league, he will develop well in that league.

Talented. Good size. Smart kid. Raw. Still very raw.

Thanks for the write-up as always Ola. Andersson is very intriguing to me.

 

[NYR Viper]

I've seem him play.
Smallish players that play bigger than their size get injured more often than not.
i want to say i'd rather take Lindberg, but I haven't seen him play yet. He has actual size instead of perceived size.

Burmistrov is 6'1 ~180-190lbs

Lindberg is 6'0 180-195lbs

What's funny is they were born 8 days apart in the same year. They are the same age. 21. Birthdays are in October.

 

[Ola]

Burmistrov is 6'1 ~180-190lbs

Lindberg is 6'0 180-195lbs

What's funny is they were born 8 days apart in the same year. They are the same age. 21. Birthdays are in October.

Centerdepth-chart:
Stepan
Brassard
Burmistrov
Lindberg

Imagine if all those 4 centers develop really well! They could really become the core of a great puck-possesion team.

 

[NYR Viper]

Centerdepth-chart:
Stepan
Brassard
Burmistrov
Lindberg

Imagine if all those 4 centers develop really well! They could really become the core of a great puck-possesion team.

Yep, and on top of that, Stepan, Brassard and Burmistrov all can and have played wing.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

An American, a Canadian, a Russian, and a Swede. Something for everyone haha.

Burmistrov is real solid on his skates similar to Krejci or Datsyuk. May not be big but has a good core and low center of gravity, doesn't get knocked off the puck much.

With those centers though, I would definitely think size on the wings should be a priority. Makes sense to build that way though because centers who are 6-3 and can carry the puck are perhaps the rarest commodity in the league and get drafted top-5 if not top-3. Barring a non-typical development curve (Backes, Kesler, etc).

 

[Trxjw]

Burmistrov is intriguing because he is already a very good defensive player. To me, if the player is that good defensively and shows flashes of good offense, that normally means they will put it together. Defensive skills normally mean high hockey IQ which normally translates to the offensive end with time.

I know the Rangers need offense, but if they are high on Thomas and Fast and want to keep Callahan and Hagelin, they need to add size somewhere.

Nash and Kreider are a good start. Miller is thick. Stepan and Brassard are not small guys. Lindberg is pretty thick as well.

Eh, I think the size thing is overblown. Even the "big" Bruins aren't teeming with size in their top-9. Lucic and Horton are really it. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Kelly/Peverly, Seguin, etc. None of them are huge guys, but they play big. That's the key. Give me a scoring winger and at least one more 4th liner who doesn't handle the puck like a grenade and I think I can work with that.

Building towards size on the wings and skill down the middle is great, but you have to play the hand you're dealt.

 

[offdacrossbar]

if we could deal mdz for burmistrov i do that deal every time.

they want to throw in something else, fine.

that kid brings to this organization something we lack. completely.

his skill level is highend. his wheels are scary good and his compete level is as good as any kid his age in the league right now. hes a gamer and smart- thinks his way all over the ice. his 2 zone play is top notch. whats not to like about him ?

his production has been decent so far. as he gets stronger and more comfortable, i see nothing but good things on the horizon for this kid.

 

[NYR Viper]

An American, a Canadian, a Russian, and a Swede. Something for everyone haha.

Burmistrov is real solid on his skates similar to Krejci or Datsyuk. May not be big but has a good core and low center of gravity, doesn't get knocked off the puck much.

With those centers though, I would definitely think size on the wings should be a priority. Makes sense to build that way though because centers who are 6-3 and can carry the puck are perhaps the rarest commodity in the league and get drafted top-5 if not top-3. Barring a non-typical development curve (Backes, Kesler, etc).

Agreed. I think it's easier to build strong 2-way centers who can distribute the puck and then put the size on the wings where they can keep their games simple.

Eh, I think the size thing is overblown. Even the "big" Bruins aren't teeming with size in their top-9. Lucic and Horton are really it. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Kelly/Peverly, Seguin, etc. None of them are huge guys, but they play big. That's the key. Give me a scoring winger and at least one more 4th liner who doesn't handle the puck like a grenade and I think I can work with that.

Building towards size on the wings and skill down the middle is great, but you have to play the hand you're dealt.

I agree that the Bruins aren't teeming with size, but having Horton and Lucic is a luxury the Rangers do not have. Jagr has helped and Marchand plays well above his size, similar to Callahan. It would be nice to get a player who actually enjoys playing mean on the wing in the top-9.

if we could deal mdz for burmistrov i do that deal every time.

they want to throw in something else, fine.

that kid brings to this organization something we lack. completely.

his skill level is highend. his wheels are scary good and his compete level is as good as any kid his age in the league right now. hes a gamer and smart- thinks his way all over the ice. his 2 zone play is top notch. whats not to like about him ?

his production has been decent so far. as he gets stronger and more comfortable, i see nothing but good things on the horizon for this kid.

I agree, although WPG better be adding if the Rangers move MDZ who has outscored him on defense. Can't just assume Burmistrov will be much better in a few years and get what you can from MDZ's value now.

 

[HonestGabe]

I would do MDZ for Burmistrov any day of the week.

Sign Clowe or Horton (2 years MAX), sign Nystrom and go with

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Horton/Clowe Brassard Zuccarello
Kreider Burmistrov Callahan
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett

McD Girardi
Staal Stralman
Moore McIlrath

Suddenly become faster and more skilled in the top 9 and have ridiculous depth. Defense is rock solid, as usual. This I can get on board with.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Boom, I couldn't agree more.

There is a tendency in the NHL to hang out players and trash them left and right. Guys like Olli Jokinen can be called "super cancer in the lockerroom" 10 times in 2 minutes at TSN, for whatever reason.

But I think its completely mindboggling that a player like Big Buff can "get fat" during the off-season. I loose words when I hear about an athleet making $5,000,000/year who starts dunking burgers when the season ends...

It's tough to ignore his skill though. He's exactly the type of dmen our blue-line needs. I just strongly believe an athlete who neglects his conditioning is going to pay for it eventually.

I think it's normal for athletes to take a few weeks off after the season and relax their bodies. Enjoy more home cooking. Just rest up a bit more. What the hell is Buf eating though?

Ola if you're a multi-millionaire, where are you eating? At fancy restaurants or McDonald's? Buf strikes me as the kind of guy that goes to the drive through at 3am and orders everything on the menu. It's not normal to have your body weight fluctuate that much in so little time. It's not good for the heart. And he has to work twice as hard in camp burning that fat, instead of trying to reach a new level with his conditioning.

Eh, I think the size thing is overblown. Even the "big" Bruins aren't teeming with size in their top-9. Lucic and Horton are really it. Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Kelly/Peverly, Seguin, etc. None of them are huge guys, but they play big. That's the key. Give me a scoring winger and at least one more 4th liner who doesn't handle the puck like a grenade and I think I can work with that.

Building towards size on the wings and skill down the middle is great, but you have to play the hand you're dealt.

Trx, how many big guys have you seen in your days play soft. And how many small guys have you seen play big.

A team of Callahan's will physically dominate a team full of Rick Nash's, despite the difference in size.

I totally agree. Size is overblown.

I'll take the pit-bull over the great dane.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would do MDZ for Burmistrov any day of the week.

Sign Clowe or Horton (2 years MAX), sign Nystrom and go with

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Horton/Clowe Brassard Zuccarello
Kreider Burmistrov Callahan
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett

McD Girardi
Staal Stralman
Moore McIlrath

Suddenly become faster and more skilled in the top 9 and have ridiculous depth. Defense is rock solid, as usual. This I can get on board with.

Horton is a RWer.

I'm almost 110% sure neither Horton nor Clowe will only get 2 years. For that reason, I doubt either are Rangers.

I still like Nystrom and I would love to add another bottom-6 gritty forward who can skate and intimidate a bit.

 

[NYR Viper]

Trx, how many big guys have you seen in your days play soft. And how many small guys have you seen play big.

A team of Callahan's will physically dominate a team full of Rick Nash's, despite the difference in size.

I totally agree. Size is overblown.

I'll take the pit-bull over the great dane.

I think my idea would be to have Callahan, Hagelin, Kreider, Nash and then supplement them with a Clowe or Lucic, someone who can actually handle dropping the gloves AND playing in the top-9. A Simmonds/Hartnell-like player would be ideal.

 

[KreidertheGlider]

would like to see MDZ dangled as part of a package for J.Thornton he might be slowing but a 20 goal 6'4/222 lb power center that leads the league (in 2011)

I would be wiilling to sign him as a UFA but I would never, EVER, trade MDZ for an aging center.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/20...able-in-late-july-teams-will-have-to-buck-up/

What would it take to get him? Many teams would want him, but how many could top an offer of:
Marc Staal -- Established cheaper Nr 1 D.
Chris Kreider -- Top prospect.
Anton Strålman -- Cheaper roster player.

Our blueline would all of a sudden have a completely new dimension with Weber (not to mention our PP):
MDZ-Weber
McD-Girardi
Moore-McIlrath

I would do that deal but I'm scared of Weber's deal length. He would be very old when it expires.

Centerdepth-chart:
Stepan
Brassard
Burmistrov
Lindberg

Imagine if all those 4 centers develop really well! They could really become the core of a great puck-possesion team.

I would rather give up 0 assets and have

Stepan
Brassard
Lindberg
Miller

Still some good depth but we would add size too without giving anything up. I think Miller needs time though so I'm fine with what we have.

Stepan
Brassard
Lindberg
Boyle

 

[Leetch3]

Burmistrov is 6'1 ~180-190lbs

Lindberg is 6'0 180-195lbs

What's funny is they were born 8 days apart in the same year. They are the same age. 21. Birthdays are in October.

but one hasn't played in the nhl yet so he's better LOL

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

I prefer Brayden Schenn to Burmistrov.

I wouldn't give a ton for Burmistrov.

Schenn is tougher, he's a leader, he's highly skilled and he's smart.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Ryan McDonagh. RFA. Part of the core. He's going nowhere. Ever.

Marc Staal. 2 years remaining. Eye injury, concussions, real threat to flee to Carolina to play with his brothers. He would be crazy not too, imo.

MDZ. 22 years old. RFA after next year.

Moore. Love what I've seen from him, but only has 99 games experience.

Girardi. UFA after next season. Under 30. RHD that can log over 25min a night. Girardi is going to get stupid money next summer. I love him, but I'm not comfortable paying him 5.5M per year for the next 5-6 years.

Stralman. UFA next year as well. RHD. Under 30. Another strong year from him should land him 4M per year in the open market next summer.

Eminger is a #7. Gilroy is a #8. McIlrath doesn't look NHL ready, and if he does crack our roster he's going to get sheltered minutes.

I don't see how we can afford to move MDZ for a forward. After next season, we could see some serious turnover on our blue line.

 

[NYR Viper]

I prefer Brayden Schenn to Burmistrov.

I wouldn't give a ton for Burmistrov.

Schenn is tougher, he's a leader, he's highly skilled and he's smart.

Would Philadelphia trade with the Rangers? And if they would, wouldn't you think they would rather move Couturier?

 

[HonestGabe]

I prefer Brayden Schenn to Burmistrov.

I wouldn't give a ton for Burmistrov.

Schenn is tougher, he's a leader, he's highly skilled and he's smart.

Flyers won't trade him within the division though.

 

[Leetch3]

even ignoring his conditioning issues, buff's contract is beyond awful...if the jets buy him out then i might be interested but i wouldn't take him on the current contract for free

 

[Trxjw]

I think my idea would be to have Callahan, Hagelin, Kreider, Nash and then supplement them with a Clowe or Lucic, someone who can actually handle dropping the gloves AND playing in the top-9. A Simmonds/Hartnell-like player would be ideal.

I think there's a big gap between Lucic, Hartnell and Simmonds, and a guy who can simply play in the top-9 and drop the mitts. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a guy like Lucic in the top-six, but those guys are few and far between. You have to either draft one, or roll the dice in a trade for a player who hasn't quite hit that upside yet. Ahem, Kyle Beach. *Cough*

 

[Leetch3]

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/20...able-in-late-july-teams-will-have-to-buck-up/


First of all, I think it would be extremely hard for anyone to take on Weber's contract and cap hit, and still manage to compensate Nashville financially (by keeping some of the salary and cap hit of the players they give up (you gotta take on both)).

And its mostly just speculation, but if Weber became available what would we be prepared to give up?

It would make a ton of sense for us to get a right handed top D who can PP. At the same time, Weber has an insane shot and hence gets alot of pts. But how good is he really defensively and offensively when not firing away pucks from the blueline? Is he Pronger II or McCabe de lux?

What would it take to get him? Many teams would want him, but how many could top an offer of:
Marc Staal -- Established cheaper Nr 1 D.
Chris Kreider -- Top prospect.
Anton Strålman -- Cheaper roster player.

Our blueline would all of a sudden have a completely new dimension with Weber (not to mention our PP):
MDZ-Weber
McD-Girardi
Moore-McIlrath

i don't think it makes any sense for nashville to trade weber unless someone hugely overpays...by the time they can trade him they will have paid out the 1st 2 signing bonuses. at that point they have already paid so much of his salary that it makes no sense to trade him so another team can benefit from the 'cheaper' years.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think there's a big gap between Lucic, Hartnell and Simmonds, and a guy who can simply play in the top-9 and drop the mitts. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a guy like Lucic in the top-six, but those guys are few and far between. You have to either draft one, or roll the dice in a trade for a player who hasn't quite hit that upside yet. Ahem, Kyle Beach. *Cough*

They are available though. Simmonds, Hartnell, Kassian all were traded.

I'm not saying it's a necessity, but it would help balance out the line-up a bit. They have their McIlrath on the back-end in the near future. Time for a player like that to play in the top-9.

 

[Trxjw]

They are available though. Simmonds, Hartnell, Kassian all were traded.

I'm not saying it's a necessity, but it would help balance out the line-up a bit. They have their McIlrath on the back-end in the near future. Time for a player like that to play in the top-9.

They are, but you usually have to pay big for them. Hodgson was the Nucks top prospect at the time. Simmonds was a big piece of the Richards trade.

Like I said, I'm a proponent of having that kind of player, but I don't believe in scraping the bottom of the barrel for one.

 

[TheRightWay]

Defenseman like Dan Girardi have a shelf life before they get too old or too banged up to be effective. He hasn't reached that point yet. If the Rangers trade for Big Buff, it's to compliment a defensive group with Girardi, not replace him.

You say this as if big, bruising defensemen with weight issues have a long lifespan.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I think there's a big gap between Lucic, Hartnell and Simmonds, and a guy who can simply play in the top-9 and drop the mitts. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a guy like Lucic in the top-six, but those guys are few and far between. You have to either draft one, or roll the dice in a trade for a player who hasn't quite hit that upside yet. Ahem, Kyle Beach. *Cough*

there is a reason players like Andrew Shaw and Brandson Saad who drafted a few years after Beach already made the NHL.. Beach didnt play in 1 NHL game as of now. looks like a Hugh Jessiman type bust of a draft pick rather trade for Mark McNeill or someone with potential.. Beach seems like a headcase... a bigger version of Avery and not that skilled.