Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part IV: Streit's rights to PHI for 2014 4th Rounder

[Vitto79]

so Brooks seems to love Hendricks, how much would he get and is he a 3rd or 4th line C? Pker? tough ?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The Flyers have negative -$2.5 million of cap space so even if they buy out Briere and Bryzgalov and try to offersheet McD it's not gonna work for them.

Rangers will match anything up to $4.5 million and if they go over, it's not practical for the Flyers. They also gotta pay Giroux the year after.

Hendricks? The guy makes no sense. Is he really that much of an upgrade over Boyle?

I'd rather keep Boyle and have him play bottom six wing/center and have him work with Miller and Lindberg in a co-op bottom six role.

Remember, just because a guy is penciled a fourth line center doesn't mean he has to play <5 minutes a night.

 

[ecemleafs]

wouldnt McD just file for arbitration immediately and eliminate the possibility of an offer sheet?

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

I'm not a fan of Hendricks ether batman

I like your ideas. The new guys come up and get mentored a bit. Boyle is a good draw winner and center. Helping those guys coming up would be great

 

[Fitzy]

Keep Boyle, and if we're going to pick up a 3rd line pivot, unless we're scoring big on a young talent it needs to be a bigger guy. Schenn has decent size, but I suppose a guy like Couturier or Burmistrov we'd have to make an exception because of their ability.

Boyle is a great 4th line center, as has been said. No reason to break our backs over it. If we buy out Richards and don't explore the free agent market much, we won't have any cap difficulties this year.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I still say Antro might work as a 3C. He won't be expensive and probably a two-year deal. He's versatile and wouldn't have to do THAT much.

Between Antro/Lindberg/Boyle/Miller, all four of those guys can play 3C depending on who is going and the others can play the wing.

I'm not worried about Lindberg or Miller not playing enough as a 3C or 4C.

Both those guys can take defensive draws and PK.

 

[Fitzy]

He's one of the slower players in the league but could help us in a couple ways; first he'd be another big body on the power play, we can have Antropov on one and Boyle on the other, and go with a more crash the net style of power play.

The other way is that he'd bring versatility in that he can play either wing, fit in comfortably anywhere. Of course my major concerns are that he isn't a noted penalty killer, can't skate, has lost much of his scoring touch, and would have a tough time keeping up with players like Hagelin on a checking line.

He also plays soft, like Pyatt and Anisimov.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern it's a gamble but yeah. If the guy has the tools but can't put them together, it's gonna be hard. It's like a muck in a swamp that you can't get out of sometimes.

I'd think if something like this gets done it's on the cheap, and then we just hope the guy gets it together. How old's this guy?

Sorry this is late.
Yeah, for the record, we are on the same page. Only if he is the el cheapo special, and Hawks want to cut losses --- or if a bigger deal is involved, and we do Chicago a favor in taking him as part of a package.

I have to check but he was a 1st I wanna say like 4 years or so ago without checking, so he's a mid 20s in age and condition is reasonable speculation.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Antropov was nice when we had him for half a season. I liked what he brought. The amount of young centers coming up is sort of easing. Boyle should stay because he is effective even if he isn't that good offensively. He is good at defensive draws and defense,

In agreeance with White Plains here

 

[bernmeister]

im very interested in Andrew Yogan.. maybe he can be our version of Gregory Campbell in the future.. if he can stay healthy. he does have some skill and a mean streak.. i do hope he gets a look in the 2013-2014 season..

While it remains to be seen as to when he's 100% ready, get the impression Yogan challenges and probably takes a lower 6 at this point.

He's another one along with Miller I have been pushing to have first tracked.

 

[GAGLine]

The Flyers have negative -$2.5 million of cap space so even if they buy out Briere and Bryzgalov and try to offersheet McD it's not gonna work for them.

Rangers will match anything up to $4.5 million and if they go over, it's not practical for the Flyers. They also gotta pay Giroux the year after.

Hendricks? The guy makes no sense. Is he really that much of an upgrade over Boyle?

I'd rather keep Boyle and have him play bottom six wing/center and have him work with Miller and Lindberg in a co-op bottom six role.

Remember, just because a guy is penciled a fourth line center doesn't mean he has to play <5 minutes a night.

Flyers are over the cap, but that's for 24 players (including Pronger, who will be on IR). If they buy out Briere and Bryz, that frees up a little over 12 mil and all they would need is another goalie. They could afford to give McD a sizable offer sheet. He would be their 8th dman (not counting Pronger). Timonen is 38 and going into the last year of his deal. If they don't re-sign him, that frees up 6 mil in 2014.

If they want to give McD a big offer sheet, there is nothing standing in their way other than McD filing for arbitration, the team filing for arbitration, or McD refusing to sign the offer sheet.

If I'm Sather, I file for arbitration and then work on a long term deal.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If the Rangers buy out Richards then a McD offer sheet won't be an issue. They'll have plenty of cap room.

Yogan I like he just has to stay healthy and keep his progression going. Similar numbers to a Clowe or Bryan Bickell in their first few professional years. If he can turn into a 15G-15A guy....success.

Another offseason goal should be trying to trade guys like Asham/Pyatt/Powe for 5th-7th round picks and swinging for the fences with unknown European prospects.

Boyle is interesting. If you can get a 2nd round draft pick or an overpayment for him, or if he's the second piece in getting a young player like a Burmistrov over here, then you deal him. But if not, hold onto him. They can always flip him at the deadline for at least a 3rd or more IF and only IF Miller/Lindberg/UFA prove they can consistently handle the 3C and 4C duties.

On another note...is Dom Moore going to play this year or is he still taking time off? He'd be a good depth pick up.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

If the Rangers buy out Richards then a McD offer sheet won't be an issue. They'll have plenty of cap room.

Yogan I like he just has to stay healthy and keep his progression going. Similar numbers to a Clowe or Bryan Bickell in their first few professional years. If he can turn into a 15G-15A guy....success.

Another offseason goal should be trying to trade guys like Asham/Pyatt/Powe for 5th-7th round picks and swinging for the fences with unknown European prospects.

Boyle is interesting. If you can get a 2nd round draft pick or an overpayment for him, or if he's the second piece in getting a young player like a Burmistrov over here, then you deal him. But if not, hold onto him. They can always flip him at the deadline for at least a 3rd or more IF and only IF Miller/Lindberg/UFA prove they can consistently handle the 3C and 4C duties.

On another note...is Dom Moore going to play this year or is he still taking time off? He'd be a good depth pick up.

have no idea what happened to Moore. haha..

I like the idea of what you said with the likes of Power/Pyatt. Could work out pretty well. or not. But not everyone in the late rounds suck!

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

have no idea what happened to Moore. haha..

I like the idea of what you said with the likes of Power/Pyatt. Could work out pretty well. or not. But not everyone in the late rounds suck!

Don't know if Moore will play again after his wife passed away. That's all up to him but he still has the talent and unique skills to be an effective and useful bottom six player in this league.

Powe/Pyatt/Asham-out of those three Asham has the most value but not much. The most they'll get for Pyatt/Asham is a fifth-seventh round pick.

Powe has no value other than a contract. Too bad future considerations isn't still a trade option.

But the point is to get as many picks as possible and swing for the fences. Maybe they find a late round gem in Sweden or Slovakia or one of these high skilled Russian kids who teams are afraid of and they can use the New York/Brighton Beach factor to entice them.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The Flyers have negative -$2.5 million of cap space so even if they buy out Briere and Bryzgalov and try to offersheet McD it's not gonna work for them.

Rangers will match anything up to $4.5 million and if they go over, it's not practical for the Flyers. They also gotta pay Giroux the year after.

Hendricks? The guy makes no sense. Is he really that much of an upgrade over Boyle?

I'd rather keep Boyle and have him play bottom six wing/center and have him work with Miller and Lindberg in a co-op bottom six role.

Remember, just because a guy is penciled a fourth line center doesn't mean he has to play <5 minutes a night.

So is Schenn and Courtier

 

[*Bob Richards*]

If we are aiming for Couturier, I hope he can really develop some offensive play. Kid lacks in that department.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Am I the only one excited about our prospects?

Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath are all almost guaranteed a spot on the roster at some point this season.

All have the capability of making a HUGE impact on this team.

If we are looking for more balance we might just have it in these group of guys.

The only offseason plans I would have are cutting the dead weight and maybe exploring the option of trading Del Zotto for someone with high offensive potential.

Pyatt, Asham, Powe, Richards can all be dropped. Staals return coupled with an effective McIlrath would solidify our defense.

Without the player we'd get from MDZ on the roster, it would look like this:

Nash-Stepan-Kreider
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan
Zucarello-Brassard-Lindberg
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett

Staal-Girardi
McDonough-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath

Hank

The player we could get for Del Zotto could help significantly if he has good offensive potential.

Not bad if you ask me.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not that worried about an offer sheet from the Flyers. The Rangers are not some small market team like the Preds. There will be repercussions.

Couturier's offense has been dormant because he has played in a shutdown roles. Very good, young player. The only issue I see is that he isn't that physical but he has a high skill level.

Schenn is a pipe dream IMO.

Dominic Moore is an interesting name because he brings speed, some offense and is a great PKer. If they move Boyle, I would be all over signing him and Nystrom. Great PKimg combo and speedy guys for the 4th line who can move up in case of injuries.

1st priority has to be upping the compete level and speed of the bottom 6. Pyatt, Richards, Asham, Powe all need to go. Players I'm the bottom 6 have to be multi dimensional. Fight and PK. Face offs and PK. Hit and fight.

The players I mentioned above are all 1 dimensional.

 

[Jabroni]

Am I the only one excited about our prospects?

Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath are all almost guaranteed a spot on the roster at some point this season.

All have the capability of making a HUGE impact on this team.

If we are looking for more balance we might just have it in these group of guys.

The only offseason plans I would have are cutting the dead weight and maybe exploring the option of trading Del Zotto for someone with high offensive potential.

Pyatt, Asham, Powe, Richards can all be dropped. Staals return coupled with an effective McIlrath would solidify our defense.

Without the player we'd get from MDZ on the roster, it would look like this:

Nash-Stepan-Kreider
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan
Zucarello-Brassard-Lindberg
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett

Staal-Girardi
McDonough-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath

Hank

The player we could get for Del Zotto could help significantly if he has good offensive potential.

Not bad if you ask me.

Switch Miller and Brassard. Brass and Step could potentially be interchangeable, depending on how Brass plays.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Switch Miller and Brassard. Brass and Step could potentially be interchangeable, depending on how Brass plays.

Brassard matches better with his skill set to the players I paired him with. Miller is more hustle than finesse. Hags, Miller, Cally all of the same mold. Brass is less hustle more skill. He's gritty but not to the level of that line.

I'm not too certain about Lindberg though. Everything i've read about him says he's an excellent center, and dominant on face-offs. He might be centering a line.

In any event, I expect Lindberg, McIlrath, and maybe even Miller to begin the year in AHL. Just saying we have some in house options.

 

[KreidertheGlider]

Brassard matches better with his skill set to the players I paired him with. Miller is more hustle than finesse. Hags, Miller, Cally all of the same mold. Brass is less hustle more skill. He's gritty but not to the level of that line.

I'm not too certain about Lindberg though. Everything i've read about him says he's an excellent center, and dominant on face-offs. He might be centering a line.

In any event, I expect Lindberg, McIlrath, and maybe even Miller to begin the year in AHL. Just saying we have some in house options.

I think miller's game suits wing more than Lindberg too. I would switch the two of them.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Am I the only one excited about our prospects?

Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath are all almost guaranteed a spot on the roster at some point this season.

All have the capability of making a HUGE impact on this team.

If we are looking for more balance we might just have it in these group of guys.

The only offseason plans I would have are cutting the dead weight and maybe exploring the option of trading Del Zotto for someone with high offensive potential.

Pyatt, Asham, Powe, Richards can all be dropped. Staals return coupled with an effective McIlrath would solidify our defense.

Without the player we'd get from MDZ on the roster, it would look like this:

Nash-Stepan-Kreider
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan
Zucarello-Brassard-Lindberg
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett

Staal-Girardi
McDonough-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath

Hank

The player we could get for Del Zotto could help significantly if he has good offensive potential.

Not bad if you ask me.

That's a bad second line. And I'm not giving up a 2nd for a fourth liner.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

No thanks on Couturier. One of the most overrated players in the league. Have not seen anything from him to indicate a high skill level, he's always fumbling the puck. I suspect he'll be a 45-50 point shutdown center, very valuable, but not quite as good as people pump him up to be.

Would much rather go after Schenn. It makes sense from a hockey standpoint, but I doubt the Flyers would trade with us.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Can you imaging if Dom Moore, Zidlicky, and Eric Nystrom (10th overall pick in 2002 which was originally the Rangers pick that went from Florida to Calgary) all came back to the Rangers? Would they count as part of the homegrown core?

 

[Emptyvoid]

No thanks on Couturier. One of the most overrated players in the league. Have not seen anything from him to indicate a high skill level, he's always fumbling the puck. I suspect he'll be a 45-50 point shutdown center, very valuable, but not quite as good as people pump him up to be.

Would much rather go after Schenn. It makes sense from a hockey standpoint, but I doubt the Flyers would trade with us.

What have you seen of Schenn that makes you want him more than Couturier? I haven't watched either, so my opinion is uninformed, but I was always under the impression that Schenn has mike richards lite potential but Couturier was something more akin to Zetterberg lite.