Speculation: 2013 NHL Trade Deadline Thread (CBJ deadline discussion here)

[Jackets16]

The question is what players will teams be willing to part with. Draft picks are fine, but the Jackets can't have a roster of 18 year olds next season or expect to make major free agent signings.

Bubble teams are going to want to add, not subtract. They may be willing to give up draft picks, but what about prospects? Rather than just getting a bunch of random pieces, what about getting key players.

Like what player or prospect would Brassard + Letestu get in return?

We aren't making moves for next year though. We are making moves to make our team good in 2-4 years.

 

[candyman82]

I could see any of Aucoin (NMC be damned), Boll, MacKenzie, Tyutin, Nikitin, Umberger, Brassard, Mason, Savard, and Prospal (If the agreement with Howson will not be honored and he wants a shot at a cup) move.

To be honest, I wouldn't be shocked to see Dorsett get traded. I wouldn't like it, but I get the feeling it could happen.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

We aren't making moves for next year though. We are making moves to make our team good in 2-4 years.

And Jarmo plans on sucking for the next 2-4 years? Relying on youth hasn't been working exactly for the Oilers. Already the Jackets are the youngest team in the league.

Dumping salary is one thing if the team simply can't afford it. But just having a massive firesale and getting rid of Umby, Brass, Tyutin, Prospal, Letestu for whatever he can get for them when those guy account for what little offense there is because Jarmo wants to start from scratch with 2nd and 3rd round picks isn't exactly going to win a lot of fans in Columbus.

Honestly, the team needs to win sooner rather than later. I don't think fans expect a playoff contender, but they expect progress.

The Jackets haven't played that badly lately. If Jarmo takes the approach that he's not going to part with Umby or Brass unless the price is right and if he goes into next season with them that's fantastic, then maybe some team is willing to make an offer.

Getting rid of the players who are contributing nothing like Boll is find or prospects that aren't part of the long term plans - say Savard if Jarmo isn't a fan. But what team is going to give up much for Boll? But blowing up the team for whatever scraps they can get into going to help ticket sales next season.

 

[NotWendell]

When I see the CBJ's recent good play, I don't see it being led by Umberger and Brassard. If Jarmo can deal them, so be it.

 

[rmartin65]

Who/What would you CBJ fans want from the Pens for Umberger? Or Brassard? Or Dubinsky?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Who/What would you CBJ fans want from the Pens for Umberger? Or Brassard? Or Dubinsky?

Dubinsky not for sale.

Umberger for a 2nd and a good forward prospect

Brassard for a good forward prospect

 

[alphafox]

Who/What would you CBJ fans want from the Pens for Umberger? Or Brassard? Or Dubinsky?

Umberger would probably be something like the Pens 1st with the Jackets paying some salary. Though knowing Shero he could get him for less. Brassard is probably a second + a prospect though with 87-71-16 down the middle I doubt the Pens give Brass a look. Dubi would frankly cost an arm and a leg, way more than he is actually worth. Likely a first round pick and one of the stable of young D-men like Maata or Beau Bennett.

I think Umberger to the Pens makes alot of sense, except for Umby's cap hit. Alongside Crosby Umby likely outproduces both Kunitz and Dupuis, but the cap hit could result in some issues for the Pens in the near future. I could maybe see Tyler Kennedy and a second for Umby. (Clear 2 million+ in cap for Umby going forward and you get something for a player that is likely to be let go in the offseason)

 

[EspenK]

And Jarmo plans on sucking for the next 2-4 years? Relying on youth hasn't been working exactly for the Oilers. Already the Jackets are the youngest team in the league.

Dumping salary is one thing if the team simply can't afford it. But just having a massive firesale and getting rid of Umby, Brass, Tyutin, Prospal, Letestu for whatever he can get for them when those guy account for what little offense there is because Jarmo wants to start from scratch with 2nd and 3rd round picks isn't exactly going to win a lot of fans in Columbus.

Honestly, the team needs to win sooner rather than later. I don't think fans expect a playoff contender, but they expect progress.

The Jackets haven't played that badly lately. If Jarmo takes the approach that he's not going to part with Umby or Brass unless the price is right and if he goes into next season with them that's fantastic, then maybe some team is willing to make an offer.

Getting rid of the players who are contributing nothing like Boll is find or prospects that aren't part of the long term plans - say Savard if Jarmo isn't a fan. But what team is going to give up much for Boll? But blowing up the team for whatever scraps they can get into going to help ticket sales next season.

I think the deals have to be made with a 2-4 or 5 year outlook. Also need to consider redundancy of players. CAM,Jam,Calvert similar players-Do we need all 3 for the long term? We have some D depth. If we can move some for a decent return then fine. Letestu is a UFA. Are we really going to resign him?Brass & Umbie, I don't see fitting, although Umbie has the NTC so we may be stuck. Without moving some players, we are going to have the same team next year-Is that what you or other fans want? To get good assets we are going to have to give something. Maybe moving a guy for a 2nd at the deadline helps facilitate a better trade down the road. I would like to think that JD & JK are smart enough to look at things collectively and not just consider ay proposed deal in a vacuum.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Who/What would you CBJ fans want from the Pens for Umberger? Or Brassard? Or Dubinsky?

Umberger or Brassard is probably worth the 1st-rounder, with something minor on either side for balance.

Pittsburgh winning the Atlantic would probably slot the 1st somewhere in the 22-26 range.

 

[Sore Loser]

Is that what you really meant or should it read "...would not be the worst...."

I don't think we are going to trade anyone who might bring a first. 2nd's a plenty.Brass, Tyutin, Prospal all could bring 2's. Umby also if he agrees to go. Maybe even 2's + something

Oops! Good catch.

I think the price on first round picks this year will be higher than ever, for the reasons mentioned earlier. Teams are going to be looking to spend less money this summer, and the draft is deep - this means that draft picks are more important than ever.

 

[alphafox]

On a positive note, if the prices rumored for Bouwmeester are even in the ballpark than we could make killing trading a few defenders. (Seriously, there have been rumors of Paul Stasny and a first, RoR + 2nd, Laughton a 1st and Mezaros, etc.)

If these are the prices, we should take a serious look at "gutting" the D. Tyutin is as good if not better than Jaybo on a better contract, Wiz as well. Nikitin would be worth at least a first, and the same for Johnny Moore.

I'm not saying trade all of them but if these are the prices we are looking at around the deadline it is going to be very tough not to pull the trigger at these prices.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

MT @RobRossi_Trib: #TribHKY #Pens looking at #CBJ Jack Johnson, #Flames Jarome Iginla - Chipped Ice http://*******/Y9NoSq #NHLtrades

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

Per @RobRossi_Trib report ... Would be stunning for #CBJ to trade D Jack Johnson barely a year after he was acquired from #LAKings, but ...

#CBJ franchise has been overhauled at the top. Neither POHOP John Davidson nor GM Jarmo Kekalainen made that trade.

here we go

 

[Mayor Bee]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

MT @RobRossi_Trib: #TribHKY #Pens looking at #CBJ Jack Johnson, #Flames Jarome Iginla - Chipped Ice http://*******/Y9NoSq #NHLtrades

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

Per @RobRossi_Trib report ... Would be stunning for #CBJ to trade D Jack Johnson barely a year after he was acquired from #LAKings, but ...

#CBJ franchise has been overhauled at the top. Neither POHOP John Davidson nor GM Jarmo Kekalainen made that trade.

here we go

I'd be curious to know exactly how long the joy and ecstasy over the front office changes would last if J Johnson were to be shipped out.

 

[alphafox]

I'd be curious to know exactly how long the joy and ecstasy over the front office changes would last if J Johnson were to be shipped out.

Would depend entirely on the return for me. I love JMFJ, but if we could get a king's ransom for him I could back the front office's play. (pardon the pun). JMFJ has been excellent for us and he is on an outstanding contract, but he hasn't been a norris candidate. I think alot of the love for him is that he was actually excited to come to the franchise during the lowest point in its short history. JMFJ's optimism was "the light in the darkness" during the Carter and Nash fiascos.

 

[major major]

I'd be curious to know exactly how long the joy and ecstasy over the front office changes would last if J Johnson were to be shipped out.

It won't upset me if we get a couple late firsts for him. We already have one gambler in Wisniewski, a player like JJ isn't as valuable here. Some of our young defencemen in the organization (Moore, Erixon, Murray) can move the puck as well as JJ without making so many mistakes. His attitude is wonderful though, it would be hard to trade a player that wants to win for Columbus.

 

[Hugg]

Unless the return is unbelievable, I will be less than amused.

A couple late firsts. Lets just be terrible forever.

 

[major major]

Unless the return is unbelievable, I will be less than amused.

A couple late firsts. Lets just be terrible forever.

I don't think we have a difference of opinion on whether we would like the Jackets to be terrible forever. We have a difference of opinion on whether JJ is a very good defenceman.

 

[Crafton]

i wouldn't worry about a huge trade. Rossi is well known as being one of the worst sports journalists around. i think Rossi is making far too big a deal about Kekalainen visits his good buddy Shero and Patrick returns to his old stomping grounds. they could be talking Umberger, Prospal as a rental, the feasiblity of moving Brassard to wing, sending Jeffrey to Columbus or something minor but Rossi probably wants hits from idiots enamored by the long-standing Sid/JJ bromance.

 

[TyroneShoelaces]

i wouldn't worry about a huge trade. Rossi is well known as being one of the worst sports journalists around. i think Rossi is making far too big a deal about Kekalainen visits his good buddy Shero and Patrick returns to his old stomping grounds. they could be talking Umberger, Prospal as a rental, the feasiblity of moving Brassard to wing, sending Jeffrey to Columbus or something minor but Rossi probably wants hits from idiots enamored by the long-standing Sid/JJ bromance.

This. Rossi is a tool who will say anything to get hits. Just in the last week or two he has said the Pens should have traded Malkin instead of Staal, Letang needs traded because he has been such a disappointment(meanwhile he sits atop the league standings for defensemen), Penguins will go hard after Iginla, and now they want Johnson.

I don't see this as anything more than two old friends catching up, Patrick coming to see his old friends, and another guy along for the ride.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

]Umberger or Brassard is probably worth the 1st-rounder, with something minor on either side for balance.

Pittsburgh winning the Atlantic would probably slot the 1st somewhere in the 22-26 range.

You have got to be kidding. Umberger and his rapidly declining stats and $4.5 million 4 year deal can't be dealt for anything but a problem player (overpaid/underperforming). No one would part with anything near a first rounder for this guy. Even if the CBJ paid half of his salary.

I agree with your premise that there is always potential for irrational trading at the deadline, but not near "Umberger" irrational.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I'd be curious to know exactly how long the joy and ecstasy over the front office changes would last if J Johnson were to be shipped out.

No one on this team should be viewed as untouchable. The only untouchable (probably) is the highest of the first round picks. After that, any player or draft pick should be open to trade consideration.

Given the pitiful mess the new management has inherited, they should go any direction they see fit.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Pittsburgh is close, not far from Vinny Prospal's family in Columbus. Pens could use another scoring winger. We have tossed around the idea of Prospal beeing "Tkachuk-ed." Shero and Jarmo are apparently buds.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

No one on this team should be viewed as untouchable. The only untouchable (probably) is the highest of the first round picks. After that, any player or draft pick should be open to trade consideration.

Given the pitiful mess the new management has inherited, they should go any direction they see fit.

Including if they like the core and only see some minor tinkering necessary because they do not see the roster as a 'pitiful mess'?

 

[Viqsi]

It won't upset me if we get a couple late firsts for him. We already have one gambler in Wisniewski, a player like JJ isn't as valuable here. Some of our young defencemen in the organization (Moore, Erixon, Murray) can move the puck as well as JJ without making so many mistakes. His attitude is wonderful though, it would be hard to trade a player that wants to win for Columbus.

That says to me that we keep JMFJ but let the kids grow into their role and slowly take over #1D duties with JMFJ cheering them on.

Competitive attitude's been a historic problem over here, after all. He's helping to kill that. And it's not as though his is a crippling contract or something...

 

[KeithBWhittington]

Adam Gretz also tweeted that, on top of Kekelainen, Davidson and Patrick were also in attendance last night in Pittsburgh... Not to send us all into a panic, DET and COL also had people in attendance, apparently.


Its important to remember, despite the overall feeling of who's helping really lead the charge to change the culture here on the ice, none of these guys were acquired by the current regime. I'd be sad to see JJ or Prospal leave, but its business....