2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[CBJx614]

If it looks like he'll be good defensively too, and the preferred forwards are off the board (don't know Jarmo's, but maybe Wennberg, Domi, Mantha), than I would have no qualms with taking Pulock with our first pick.

I know this is terrible, and completely unrealistic, but Pulock ALWAYS develops into a BEAST in NHL 13 lmao.

But I really want to see us try to move up a few spots to snag a real playmaker. I REALLY want shinkaruk, i think he is a top 5 talent. He was on a team FULL of rookies this season and played really well. Get him around Johansen, Cam and Calvert, get him working out, and getting stronger with those guys and I think we have something really special going. I think he is way underrated and even with his size I think he would slot with anyone in the top 6 and make anyone out there a better player. He has all the tools except size and the strength that comes along with it. And with just a little bit more developing and training he could have the strength. He's also pretty young and theres nothing to say he wont grow another few inches, while not likely, not completely impossible either.


So I know we've hinted on it but honestly say we want to move up to 8-10 range, which is buffalo, new jersey, and dallas. What does it take?? I know some have mentioned a first and D prospect like Savard. But if we want to move up at all I really think its gonna take some more magic from JK. Whether its just 2 picks, or first overall, its gonna take some work. As much as i'd like to move up, I could just as easily see everybody staying exactly where they are and letting all the pieces fall together.


Unless it was anything like the NFL Draft this year, holy **** so many trades...if thats the case, we're in for some excitement..

 

[KJ Dangler]

If it looks like he'll be good defensively too, and the preferred forwards are off the board (don't know Jarmo's, but maybe Wennberg, Domi, Mantha), than I would have no qualms with taking Pulock with our first pick.

I honestly think that no matter what we take a foward with our first pick, unless Murray is traded for Mckinnon, ofcourse, then maybe we would use that pick on Pulock. When Jarmo is saying offense, offense, offense, he is looking at our orginazation as a whole, and theres not much scoring help coming up the ranks. So either we make a trade like mentioned above, or we add a savard and our pick to move up a few spots to grab an impact forward. In no way are our current forwards the caliber needed to when the cup, and that is the goal he and jd have in mind. Also, I think its interesting to note that last time jarmo offered his 3 first round picks for the #1 overall. This draft will be much more interesting.

 

[CBJx614]

I honestly think that no matter what we take a foward with our first pick, unless Murray is traded for Mckinnon, ofcourse, then maybe we would use that pick on Pulock. When Jarmo is saying offense, offense, offense, he is looking at our orginazation as a whole, and theres not much scoring help coming up the ranks. So either we make a trade like mentioned above, or we add a savard and our pick to move up a few spots to grab an impact forward. In no way are our current forwards the caliber needed to when the cup, and that is the goal he and jd have in mind. Also, I think its interesting to note that last time jarmo offered his 3 first round picks for the #1 overall. This draft will be much more interesting.

One thing I really dont think people expect that has the potential to happen, is Murray putting up 20-30+ pts next season. He has a offensive side to his game that doesnt get seen so much. A) Because there is very little Murray footage out there and B.) He makes it look so easy and natural is doesnt get noticed, yet his name still shows up on the score sheet. He's a very underrated offensive player. Besides "getting more goals from our current players" as JK suggested I think he has potential to put up points as well. He will be out there for the PP and PK, as well as even strength.

 

[KJ Dangler]

One thing I really dont think people expect that has the potential to happen, is Murray putting up 20-30+ pts next season. He has a offensive side to his game that doesnt get seen so much. A) Because there is very little Murray footage out there and B.) He makes it look so easy and natural is doesnt get noticed, yet his name still shows up on the score sheet. He's a very underrated offensive player. Besides "getting more goals from our current players" as JK suggested I think he has potential to put up points as well. He will be out there for the PP and PK, as well as even strength.

I know we are on different sides of the fence on this, cause I could counter and say that a Mckinnon would most likely net atleast 20 goals next season, and probably 35-45 points, and we could aquire this, and keep our defense totally intact from last year, with possibly a free agent pick up if Aucoin is done, plus Gobeleuf, Savard, and Holden all waiting in the wings. We will not win a cup without atleast a few elite forwards. Cam, and Calvert are nice players, but Calvert doesnt belong on the first line, nor does Letestu, which they both played on at periods thru out the year. Our defense as constructed is good enough to win a cup. Our goaltender as is , is good enough to win a cup, although we need a good backup. Our forward group is simply not talented enough to win the cup . We can keep all these young defenseman, and draft forwards, that are not impact players, and they will take atleast a few years to develop, when these offensive players are finally ready to play at the nhl level, you battle trying to keep your defenders signed to contracts- see Nashville. That is why I would like to see a more balanced team.

 

[CBJx614]

I know we are on different sides of the fence on this, cause I could counter and say that a Mckinnon would most likely net atleast 20 goals next season, and probably 35-45 points, and we could aquire this, and keep our defense totally intact from last year, with possibly a free agent pick up if Aucoin is done, plus Gobeleuf, Savard, and Holden all waiting in the wings. We will not win a cup without atleast a few elite forwards. Cam, and Calvert are nice players, but Calvert doesnt belong on the first line, nor does Letestu, which they both played on at periods thru out the year. Our defense as constructed is good enough to win a cup. Our goaltender as is , is good enough to win a cup, although we need a good backup. Our forward group is simply not talented enough to win the cup . We can keep all these young defenseman, and draft forwards, that are not impact players, and they will take atleast a few years to develop, when these offensive players are finally ready to play at the nhl level, you battle trying to keep your defenders signed to contracts- see Nashville. That is why I would like to see a more balanced team.

And see I dont see why we cant be a balanced team if we keep Murray and develop our offense? I agree Letestu is a VERY solid 3rd line center. Calvert played very well this season, honestly who knows what his future holds. Hes a young kid playing under one of the best wingers in the game right now. His time with Gaborik will be invaluable, and the same could be said of Cam and Johansen really. Just watching him in practice gives them an oppurtunity to improve. Yes they played slightly with Nash, but Gaborik is older, wiser, and seems to be a harder worker and team player than Nash was the last few years. And who knows we have potentialto draft a gem in the draft.

But who knows, with the history there they might try to trade away the farm and get THE GUY(Mackinnon?Drouin?Jones?!?!). There has just got to be a way to do the trade without Murray. I dont think I would do it because it takes away our depth but like a

Johansen Calvert 2013 1st 2014 1st for FLA/TB 2013 1st?


That gets us Mackinnon. Who would most likely take over Johansen's slot in the depth chart. We played the last few games pretty damn well without Calvert. We could always sign a FA to fill that void(Nathan Horton?!) So really we wouldnt lose any depth, while still moving forward and keeping our franchise cornerstones on the blue line. While Florida recieves 2 young NHL ready top 6 players, a top 15 pick in this draft and extra pick in next years draft. Do they bite?! I have no idea. Just throwing suggestions since everyone is sold on it being Murray its not happening. Like you guys say, we have NO idea what is being said behind closed doors.

 

[candyman82]

And see I dont see why we cant be a balanced team if we keep Murray and develop our offense? I agree Letestu is a VERY solid 3rd line center. Calvert played very well this season, honestly who knows what his future holds. Hes a young kid playing under one of the best wingers in the game right now. His time with Gaborik will be invaluable, and the same could be said of Cam and Johansen really. Just watching him in practice gives them an oppurtunity to improve. Yes they played slightly with Nash, but Gaborik is older, wiser, and seems to be a harder worker and team player than Nash was the last few years. And who knows we have potentialto draft a gem in the draft.

But who knows, with the history there they might try to trade away the farm and get THE GUY(Mackinnon?Drouin?Jones?!?!). There has just got to be a way to do the trade without Murray. I dont think I would do it because it takes away our depth but like a

Johansen Calvert 2013 1st 2014 1st for FLA/TB 2013 1st?


That gets us Mackinnon. Who would most likely take over Johansen's slot in the depth chart. We played the last few games pretty damn well without Calvert. We could always sign a FA to fill that void(Nathan Horton?!) So really we wouldnt lose any depth, while still moving forward and keeping our franchise cornerstones on the blue line. While Florida recieves 2 young NHL ready top 6 players, a top 15 pick in this draft and extra pick in next years draft. Do they bite?! I have no idea. Just throwing suggestions since everyone is sold on it being Murray its not happening. Like you guys say, we have NO idea what is being said behind closed doors.

Ew. No. No. NOOOOOOOOO. We lose a potential #1C who has already shown excellent defensive skills, a guy who seems to fit the mold of what this team should be, and two first round picks for a potential #1C. That's like paying three hundred dollars for a lottery ticket where the jackpot is two hundred dollars.

 

[KJ Dangler]

And see I dont see why we cant be a balanced team if we keep Murray and develop our offense? I agree Letestu is a VERY solid 3rd line center. Calvert played very well this season, honestly who knows what his future holds. Hes a young kid playing under one of the best wingers in the game right now. His time with Gaborik will be invaluable, and the same could be said of Cam and Johansen really. Just watching him in practice gives them an oppurtunity to improve. Yes they played slightly with Nash, but Gaborik is older, wiser, and seems to be a harder worker and team player than Nash was the last few years. And who knows we have potentialto draft a gem in the draft.

But who knows, with the history there they might try to trade away the farm and get THE GUY(Mackinnon?Drouin?Jones?!?!). There has just got to be a way to do the trade without Murray. I dont think I would do it because it takes away our depth but like a

Johansen Calvert 2013 1st 2014 1st for FLA/TB 2013 1st?


That gets us Mackinnon. Who would most likely take over Johansen's slot in the depth chart. We played the last few games pretty damn well without Calvert. We could always sign a FA to fill that void(Nathan Horton?!) So really we wouldnt lose any depth, while still moving forward and keeping our franchise cornerstones on the blue line. While Florida recieves 2 young NHL ready top 6 players, a top 15 pick in this draft and extra pick in next years draft. Do they bite?! I have no idea. Just throwing suggestions since everyone is sold on it being Murray its not happening. Like you guys say, we have NO idea what is being said behind closed doors.

That would make no sense, so we take our already thin forward depth, which is clearly the weakest area on the team, and trade johansen, and Calvert and 2 firsts for McKinnon. . Or we move Murray straight up for McKinnon, still have our 3 firsts, which with one we draft a defenseman, and 2 forwards .

 

[Xoggz22]

So how good is Pulock's defence?

I ask because just watching that video I can imagine, even with our stacked defence, that Pulock could become our best offensive defenceman. That adds a lot of value. But the flip-side of having a stacked defence is that if you put an offensive specialist out there you're having him take the place of a better defender, which reduces value. So what sort of defender is Pulock tracking towards? How would he slot in offensively and defensively compared to our current d-men?

I swear that song is saying "give it up for Bobrovsky..." Maybe that's just me.

Anyway, where I would see Pulock would be a future replacement for Wiz but a much better skater and appears to have a better head for the game. Not as tough as Wiz and don't know about Pulock's leadership skills but he could be a possibility depending on how the draft unfolds.

 

[Xoggz22]

Completely out of our normal line of thought but I was looking at the draft order, our picks and who has multiple picks in the 2nd that might be willing to look at getting a 1st. I wonder if JK doesn't flip the #22 (LAK) to MON for their 2 seconds (34 and 37 I think)

 

[Mayor Bee]

Johansen Calvert 2013 1st 2014 1st for FLA/TB 2013 1st?

I think we have officially reached the loftiest peak (or deepest valley) of insanity.

This would result in Dale Tallon accepting the deal, then cackling and rolling a blunt. On the draft floor. In plain view of thousands of people live and millions more on TV.

 

[Sore Loser]

And how's his defence? Are we drafting another Wiz?

No. Pulock is a solid defender, at least at the junior level. He has great instincts in all three zones. The only knock on Pulock is with his skating, but this is a guy that sees the game on another level, above his teammates and most other guys on the ice. In one of those CBJ videos, the scouting staff mentions him as sharing a lot of similarities to Al MacInnis at the same age; which is a comparison that I used when I first saw him live last year. He's not a guy that will be a dominant defender, but, like Al was, he'll be a capable guy in his own end. I really feel like this is a guy that's getting horribly underrated, and may even be a guy that someone takes a jump on to get in the top-10.

In the case, trading down a few spots to a team who wants to jump up and grab Pulock or another defenseman might not be a bad idea if it added a decent pick or prospect.

I definitely can't disagree with this logic, and it's a very succinct possibility. If it comes down to Pulock being the "BPA", and us having our eyes on forwards that we can get 3-4 spots later, then a deal involving our #14 for a team's, say, #17-18, and a middle round pick, might not be a bad move at all.

 

[major major]

No. Pulock is a solid defender, at least at the junior level. He has great instincts in all three zones. The only knock on Pulock is with his skating, but this is a guy that sees the game on another level, above his teammates and most other guys on the ice. In one of those CBJ videos, the scouting staff mentions him as sharing a lot of similarities to Al MacInnis at the same age; which is a comparison that I used when I first saw him live last year. He's not a guy that will be a dominant defender, but, like Al was, he'll be a capable guy in his own end. I really feel like this is a guy that's getting horribly underrated, and may even be a guy that someone takes a jump on to get in the top-10.

Is Pulock's effectiveness on the PP mostly from his shot? Or is he a guy who can direct play and move the puck quickly? Because we do have a team need for guys who can do that. I would gladly take him at #14 if he is all that.

 

[Crede777]

It's not insane, but I wouldn't be in favor of trading Johansen + Calvert + 14th for the 3rd (Drouin/Barkov). That's 80 points plus a 14th overall (assuming Joey and Calvert reach 40 points each next season). While Drouin could eventually reach that, he almost certainly won't this year or next. That's not accounting for the 14th overall.

 

[Sore Loser]

Is Pulock's effectiveness on the PP mostly from his shot? Or is he a guy who can direct play and move the puck quickly? Because we do have a team need for guys who can do that. I would gladly take him at #14 if he is all that.

Better than he gets credit for. I wouldn't call him an elite offensive defenseman by any means, but he could be a guy who puts up 15 goals and 30-40 assists on a regular basis. The thing is, we have Ryan Murray on the way, and he's very good - far better than people realize - at moving the puck, and should be a fine powerplay quarterback. Pulock and Murray on the powerplay would be lights out, because they are both guys that can do it all.

 

[Sore Loser]

It's not insane, but I wouldn't be in favor of trading Johansen + Calvert + 14th for the 3rd (Drouin/Barkov). That's 80 points plus a 14th overall (assuming Joey and Calvert reach 40 points each next season). While Drouin could eventually reach that, he almost certainly won't this year or next. That's not accounting for the 14th overall.

Wouldn't be a fan of that deal personally. Barkov shares similar upside with Johansen. Yes, I said it ... I don't think we have seen anywhere near the best of Ryan Johansen yet, and Barkov is a guy who projects as a decent #1 or very good #2 center ... same as Johansen. As for Drouin, while he does have more upside, I don't think that sort of production would replace what we would be giving up with the other three assets ... I don't see him as a guy that drives the play for us, or makes us a better enough team to merit giving up two under-22 roster players and a first round draft pick.

I think Drouin, and to some extent, MacKinnon, are both being drastically overrated by a lot of these "trade offers". In my book, a fair offer on the #3 pick would include the #14 pick, and a player like Johansen alone ... even at that point, I would have a hard time stomaching it. More likely, Tampa Bay would be asking for defense - as has been beaten to death in this thread - so you ask yourself, would we even be in the running, unless we're talking Jack Johnson or Ryan Murray? At that point, is it even worth pursuing?

 

[Basilisk]

Would you trade all 3 first round picks for the Sedins?

Kings fan coming in peace.


I do believe Vancouver's Stanley Cup window has closed. The Sedins turn 33 this year. They are no longer Vancouver's future, but it's past.


But would they trade those two guys for your 3 picks?

Would you guys do it?


Discuss!

 

[major major]

Wouldn't be a fan of that deal personally. Barkov shares similar upside with Johansen. Yes, I said it ... I don't think we have seen anywhere near the best of Ryan Johansen yet, and Barkov is a guy who projects as a decent #1 or very good #2 center ... same as Johansen. As for Drouin, while he does have more upside, I don't think that sort of production would replace what we would be giving up with the other three assets ... I don't see him as a guy that drives the play for us, or makes us a better enough team to merit giving up two under-22 roster players and a first round draft pick.

I think Drouin, and to some extent, MacKinnon, are both being drastically overrated by a lot of these "trade offers". In my book, a fair offer on the #3 pick would include the #14 pick, and a player like Johansen alone ... even at that point, I would have a hard time stomaching it. More likely, Tampa Bay would be asking for defense - as has been beaten to death in this thread - so you ask yourself, would we even be in the running, unless we're talking Jack Johnson or Ryan Murray? At that point, is it even worth pursuing?

I liked the Murray for Mack idea, but I hated the idea of trading Murray. But I wouldn't feel bad about moving JJ.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Nope, we wouldn't do it. Not a fit here.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

The Baie-Comeau Drakkar have been able to shut-down MacKinnon and Drouin. In 3 games so far in the QMJHL finals, both only have 1 assist. If it wasn't for goalie Zach Fucale, Halifax wouldn't be leading the series.

Neither is a generational Crosby level prospect. They are the best forwards in their draft class now, but 2-5 years from now, who knows. The Jackets don't have the depth to give up Johansen or Murray to get one of them. Trading up a few spots to #10 might be a consideration, or moving up farther depending on what players might be not in the future plans and expendable (like Nikitin) but it's not worth sacrificing depth for one player.

I wouldn't be surprised if MacKinnon struggled some coming into the NHL. He won't turn 18 until September. He wasn't ready for the World Juniors. The last thing he needs is a team to rush him.

 

[candyman82]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

 

[major major]

Nope. If the Canucks are willing to move the Sedins because they think the team is over the hill, its because the Sedins are over the hill.

Although Jarmo does seem to like moving young assets for over the hill players, so...

 

[CBJx614]

Ew. No. No. NOOOOOOOOO. We lose a potential #1C who has already shown excellent defensive skills, a guy who seems to fit the mold of what this team should be, and two first round picks for a potential #1C. That's like paying three hundred dollars for a lottery ticket where the jackpot is two hundred dollars.

That would make no sense, so we take our already thin forward depth, which is clearly the weakest area on the team, and trade johansen, and Calvert and 2 firsts for McKinnon. . Or we move Murray straight up for McKinnon, still have our 3 firsts, which with one we draft a defenseman, and 2 forwards .

I think we have officially reached the loftiest peak (or deepest valley) of insanity.

This would result in Dale Tallon accepting the deal, then cackling and rolling a blunt. On the draft floor. In plain view of thousands of people live and millions more on TV.

Everyone hates but I have heard of anyone mentioning any sort of deal without the name Murray for a top 3 pick. It is possible, you may not like it, that doesnt mean its not going to happen. IF <-- And thats a big IF, Mackinnon is that next crosby or hell even a FRANCHISE centerman, having him along with potentially 2 franchise dmen(Murray, JJ) is a helluva cornerstone for a defense. You have a base for the long term of your team.

It's not insane, but I wouldn't be in favor of trading Johansen + Calvert + 14th for the 3rd (Drouin/Barkov). That's 80 points plus a 14th overall (assuming Joey and Calvert reach 40 points each next season). While Drouin could eventually reach that, he almost certainly won't this year or next. That's not accounting for the 14th overall.

Hey it wouldnt be the first time a player broke out somewhat unexpectedly.

Wouldn't be a fan of that deal personally. Barkov shares similar upside with Johansen. Yes, I said it ... I don't think we have seen anywhere near the best of Ryan Johansen yet, and Barkov is a guy who projects as a decent #1 or very good #2 center ... same as Johansen. As for Drouin, while he does have more upside, I don't think that sort of production would replace what we would be giving up with the other three assets ... I don't see him as a guy that drives the play for us, or makes us a better enough team to merit giving up two under-22 roster players and a first round draft pick.

I think Drouin, and to some extent, MacKinnon, are both being drastically overrated by a lot of these "trade offers". In my book, a fair offer on the #3 pick would include the #14 pick, and a player like Johansen alone ... even at that point, I would have a hard time stomaching it. More likely, Tampa Bay would be asking for defense - as has been beaten to death in this thread - so you ask yourself, would we even be in the running, unless we're talking Jack Johnson or Ryan Murray? At that point, is it even worth pursuing?

Especially agree with the bolded. Never said I was in favor of doing it as Johansen is by far my favorite player on the roster. I hated the pick at first but he's playing such a great defensive game and is learning a lot as he goes. Hes becoming a better skater, puck handler, shooter, playmaker, he's playing physical against the Sedins, Thorton, players that unless you get in their face they are going to run all over you. It takes a special, strong enough player to do that. He's made his mark in the NHL. Whether fans recognize or not, you better believe the players have. The points will follow in time. . . . .






I hope.

The Baie-Comeau Drakkar have been able to shut-down MacKinnon and Drouin. In 3 games so far in the QMJHL finals, both only have 1 assist. If it wasn't for goalie Zach Fucale, Halifax wouldn't be leading the series.

Neither is a generational Crosby level prospect. They are the best forwards in their draft class now, but 2-5 years from now, who knows. The Jackets don't have the depth to give up Johansen or Murray to get one of them. Trading up a few spots to #10 might be a consideration, or moving up farther depending on what players might be not in the future plans and expendable.

I wouldn't be surprised if MacKinnon struggled some coming into the NHL. He won't turn 18 until September. He wasn't ready for the World Juniors. The last thing he needs is a team to rush him.

And see thats the thing, IF they were the next Crosby or generational talent *cough*Mcdavid*cough* it would be worth it. But its not, using our picks and stocking up on blue collar, high potential, high character players is the way to go.

 

[CBJx614]

Nope. If the Canucks are willing to move the Sedins because they think the team is over the hill, its because the Sedins are over the hill.

Although Jarmo does seem to like moving young assets for over the hill players, so...

I dont think anybody would be able to score against, let alone win a faceoff.

Sedin-Sedin-Gaborik
Anisimov-Johansen-Atkinson
Calvert-Letestu-Prospal
Umberger-Jenner-Foligno.

Only one true #1 line, while you just roll the other 3.

 

[major major]

And see thats the thing, IF they were the next Crosby or generational talent *cough*Mcdavid*cough* it would be worth it. But its not, using our picks and stocking up on blue collar, high potential, high character players is the way to go.

You can rule out a deal because you don't think its worth a proposed price, or for several other reasons I'm sure, but you can't say acquiring Mack or Drouin isn't worth it because they aren't generational. Toews and Kane aren't generational either, should we not acquire them? Murray and Johansen aren't generational, should we trade them? Do you have a price in mind that you're just not mentioning here?

 

[Crede777]

Yeah but I can't imagine a scenario where we could acquire the Sedins without sending back salary.