2013 NHL Draft Thread III (6/30, 3PM EDT)

[stevo61]

Well went to the cup game last night and it was amazing. Another notch in the belt of MacKinnon.Guy had everything going last night, skating, shot, passing but probably most impressive last night was his stick handling in tight spaces. He made guys like Jones and Rutowski look foolish on more then one occasion. I laughed a few times because when Frk would get the puck in the neutral zone he would look for MacKinnon, give it to him and watch him do his thing. Drouin finally showed up and was all over the place with 5 assists. For Portland Rattie was the best player on the team all tournament very easily but last night Puliot tried to carry his team and played an amazing game.
The tournament all star team was:
Frk-MacKinnon-Rattie
Puliot-Abeltshauser
Fucale
No goalie really stood out which was kind of expected with all the offense there but Makarov was probably deserving.
Albetshauser is just bad. he has a nice shot but just puts up points becauseof who he's on the ice with. My friends and i had to hold our breath everytime someone went his side because he was beat every single time. He got the benefit of playing for the champions because personally i'd say Harrington was easily more deserving.
Edit: MacKinnon and Rattie had a big moment in the after game handshakes. Dude did everything he could to try and get his team the championship in his last go but just fell short.

 

[Jackets16]

I was really impressed with MacKinnon and liked the play of Rattie as well.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

I would trade up to get him, but not for that deal. That is too much to give up to move up 7 spots, IMO.

Lindholm should be a top 5 pick, maybe a top 3 pick. It's an absolute steal to get him at #7. He's the best Swedish forward prospect since Nicklas Bäckström and had similar stats to Bäckström in their draft year season. He's done stellar at the U18 tournaments. He's got skill, hockey sense, grit, determination and is very good defensively.

If Nichushkin or a defenseman or two get picked before him, or some team picks Monahan, Horvat or Domi before him, then it's similar to Kopitar dropping. He is not a typical #7 pick. But I don't think he'll be there. I think he goes #4 or #5.

 

[Xoggz22]

I read an article this morning about NJ wanting to make a splash at the draft and what it might take NJ to move up from 9 into the top 3. It was Todd Cordell who wrote the article. I think he writes for Hockey Buzz or something like that. Anyway, he came to the conclusion that it would take a signed Adam Henrique, the 9th OA and a prospect like Urbom (D) to get #2 or #3. That didn't seem like that much to me if you're going to land McKinnon or Drouin. I would love to have a shot at McKinnon but would think that means Johansen, #14 and Erixon. Not sure I would want to do that but that's some homerism coming out I'm sure.

Anyway, if guys like Lindholm and Monahan are considered a tier lower maybe it wouldn't take that much getting into the top 6 to land a guy like that. I'm still a big proponent for trying to get Lindholm. A trade with Carolina would likely assure that happens. Definitely going to be a fun Month of June and especially the draft...

 

[CBJWerenski8]

MacKinnon back to #1 in the ISS rankings.

 

[major major]

I read an article this morning about NJ wanting to make a splash at the draft and what it might take NJ to move up from 9 into the top 3. It was Todd Cordell who wrote the article. I think he writes for Hockey Buzz or something like that. Anyway, he came to the conclusion that it would take a signed Adam Henrique, the 9th OA and a prospect like Urbom (D) to get #2 or #3. That didn't seem like that much to me if you're going to land McKinnon or Drouin. I would love to have a shot at McKinnon but would think that means Johansen, #14 and Erixon. Not sure I would want to do that but that's some homerism coming out I'm sure.

Anyway, if guys like Lindholm and Monahan are considered a tier lower maybe it wouldn't take that much getting into the top 6 to land a guy like that. I'm still a big proponent for trying to get Lindholm. A trade with Carolina would likely assure that happens. Definitely going to be a fun Month of June and especially the draft...

I'm also still a big proponent of trying to get Lindholm at 5. Earlier I was thinking the price would be something like Johansen and Tyutin, but that really is way too much. Those are the sort of players Carolina needs the most, but we would need more coming back to balance it, or perhaps replace Joey with Letestu.

I'm not sure about the deals, but I can see there being a deal between these teams. We need high-upside centers more than them, and they need defence more than us.

 

[Jackets16]

Lindholm should be a top 5 pick, maybe a top 3 pick. It's an absolute steal to get him at #7. He's the best Swedish forward prospect since Nicklas Bäckström and had similar stats to Bäckström in their draft year season. He's done stellar at the U18 tournaments. He's got skill, hockey sense, grit, determination and is very good defensively.

If Nichushkin or a defenseman or two get picked before him, or some team picks Monahan, Horvat or Domi before him, then it's similar to Kopitar dropping. He is not a typical #7 pick. But I don't think he'll be there. I think he goes #4 or #5.

I am not saying he isn't. The question is what we should give up to get him (if he is available). IMO, 14th and the NYR pick is too much.

 

[CBJx614]

Dont get me wrong I really like Lindholm but how much of an impact player is he? If he can come on and play like say Galchenyuk did i'd trade letestu and tyutin hell might even be willing to throw in a late rd pick or two.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Lindholm should spend at least one more season in the SEL. He could play in the NHL, but that would be rushing him. All of the top Swedish forwards in the NHL, even Mats Sundin and Peter Forsberg, stayed in the Sweden following being drafted.

Players shouldn't be drafted based on how they are going to help the team immediately.

 

[major major]

Dont get me wrong I really like Lindholm but how much of an impact player is he? If he can come on and play like say Galchenyuk did i'd trade letestu and tyutin hell might even be willing to throw in a late rd pick or two.

I think Galchenyuk's totals are a bit higher than I would expect from Lindholm, but he has all the tools to do what Galchenyuk did.

But

Players shouldn't be drafted based on how they are going to help the team immediately.

 

[Jackets16]

Lindholm should spend at least one more season in the SEL. He could play in the NHL, but that would be rushing him. All of the top Swedish forwards in the NHL, even Mats Sundin and Peter Forsberg, stayed in the Sweden following being drafted.

Players shouldn't be drafted based on how they are going to help the team immediately.

You are right. Players shold be drafted based on who you think will be the best.

 

[CBJx614]

I think Galchenyuk's totals are a bit higher than I would expect from Lindholm, but he has all the tools to do what Galchenyuk did.

But

Oh no i completely agree, whenever he comes into the nhl i want that player to be at that level. I actually think being injured will benefit Murray this season, he'll feel a lot more "at home" when he plays whihc can definitely impact a young player. Hes already had a ton of time around the medical staff, arena staff, coaching staff, players, and everyne in between. But obviously Lindholms case is a bit different aothough he will get a year extra to mature and if he can make that similiar impact id be all for it.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

The dilemma I see is that the biggest need the Jackets have is for elite forwards. They need 1st liners. There are enough 2nd/3rd/4th liners. They need difference makers rather than depth.

Let's say they have they have picks #14, #20 and #27, and they select Valentin Zykov, Anthony Mantha and JT Compher.

There's the possibility that those three forwards exceeds expectations and become 1st line type players. But there's a far better chance of that if they would trade up to the top 7 and grab Lindholm.

So, Lindholm or Zykov and Compher + maybe a roster player or prospect?

Or, does Jarmo just take a lot of risks and draft boom/bust players and draft maybe Ryan Pulock, Pavel Buchnevich or Nic Petan that could be absolute steals but much higher risk?

I follow prospects, so I'd rather have the 3 picks over the one, since anything can happen. But I can see Jarmo and JD going for a guaranteed elite forward if they can.

 

[Jackets16]

The dilemma I see is that the biggest need the Jackets have is for elite forwards. They need 1st liners. There are enough 2nd/3rd/4th liners. They need difference makers rather than depth.

Let's say they have they have picks #14, #20 and #27, and they select Valentin Zykov, Anthony Mantha and JT Compher.

There's the possibility that those three forwards exceeds expectations and become 1st line type players. But there's a far better chance of that if they would trade up to the top 7 and grab Lindholm.

So, Lindholm or Zykov and Compher + maybe a roster player or prospect?

Or, does Jarmo just take a lot of risks and draft boom/bust players and draft maybe Ryan Pulock, Pavel Buchnevich or Nic Petan that could be absolute steals but much higher risk?

I follow prospects, so I'd rather have the 3 picks over the one, since anything can happen. But I can see Jarmo and JD going for a guaranteed elite forward if they can.

3 is better than 1, unless that 1 is MacKinnon.

 

[GoJackets1]

Draftsite.com has us taking Shinkaruk, Zykov, Compher, and De la Rose with our first four picks. Don't have any oppositions to that whatsoever. I'd like to know more about Zykov and Compher though, if someone would care enough to enlighten us less knowledgeable prospect folk.

 

[stevo61]

Don't know much about Compher but i'm really hoping for Rychel or Hartman with the 3rd pick. If we keep it that is.
If we somehow got Shinkaruk and Zykov though that would be almost a perfect 1st round

 

[Timeless Winter]

3 is better than 1, unless that 1 is MacKinnon.

No. quality > quantity.

If you want more 3rd liners then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[major major]

No. quality > quantity.

If you want more 3rd liners then I don't know what to tell ya.

And I think you're both wrong!

We could easily target and get 3 players who each have some top line upside. A more practical question is whether we trade a pair of picks for a Lindholm pick, and whether his upside outweighs the pair. I think it would, even if we trade 14 + 18. Perhaps for no good reason, but I can't imagine trading all three. What would a reasonable deal for all three even look like?

 

[EspenK]

I would trade all three for MacKinnon in a heartbeat. The problem is that other teams won't do it because MacKinnon is as close to a sure thing as there is in the draft and the other three are not.

Unless Jarmo is prescient and we wind up with the 3 guys who are the biggest surprises of the draft and all develop to their upside potential I think we would be much better off with MacKinnon.

 

[Jackets16]

No. quality > quantity.

If you want more 3rd liners then I don't know what to tell ya.

The guys we have the chance to pick at 14 and 18 won't have 3rd line potential. IMO, there just isn't a huge difference between the guys who will get picked 5th through about 20th (or more). Obviously, there are less questions about the guys who will go higher, but their potential isn't much greater (if at all), IMO.

 

[GoJackets1]

I'd like to see if we could somehow get Zykov and Mantha with 14 and 18. They would be a great complement to our undersized forwards. Teams would have to adjust mid-shift switching from a midget line to a line with two power forwards. That could be a great combo for us, IMO.

 

[Samkow]

No. quality > quantity.

If you want more 3rd liners then I don't know what to tell ya.

And the Blue Jackets don't have either a auantity (in the meaningful sense) or quality of forward prospects right now. Other then Jenner, there aren't really any future NHLers there.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Draftsite.com has us taking Shinkaruk, Zykov, Compher, and De la Rose with our first four picks.

I'd take that.

 

[Kington91]

Before you guys jump me for bringing it up again - what do you guys think of this?

Murray, our pick, and the kings pick for MacKinnon.

I bring it up for discussion because I would much rather have Mack than Drouin which is what was previously discussed and think it would take this kind of offer to get him. With COL open to trading the pick - what are your thoughts?

This way we could end up with Mackinnon and draft a defenseman at 18.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Draftsite.com has us taking Shinkaruk, Zykov, Compher, and De la Rose with our first four picks. Don't have any oppositions to that whatsoever. I'd like to know more about Zykov and Compher though, if someone would care enough to enlighten us less knowledgeable prospect folk.

I would jump for joy if that was the Jackets 1st/2nd round picks.

Zykov is a big Russian winger who's done incredibly well in the Q and plays like a Canadian power forward. I believe he was rookie of the year. He's a good combination of skill and toughness, and both willing to battle for the puck along the boards and the ability to do something with it when he gets it. The knock on him is skating, but I don't think it's the big of an issue. He needs to work on his acceleration and quickness. He was willing to play in the middle of nowhere Quebec rather than Russia, speaks decent English and is learning French, so there aren't many concerns about him going back to Russia.

Compher is another player I see as a likely Jacket pick. Skilled forward who played for the US Development program and is headed to the U of M next season. Decent height (needs to fill-out), defensively okay, hard-working and great passer. He'll need a few years to fill-out and develop, but he should excel at Michigan. He's more of a playmaker than a sniper.

Both of them fit with the mold of players I think the Jackets are looking for - hard-working, highly skilled, high hockey IQ, good team players, come up big in big games.