2013 Draft Thread Part IV - I Am Suffused with Great Uncertainty

[SeidoN]

I don't want to move back in the draft.

Top 10 pick + 39th overall pick>>>>Mid 1st round+39th overall+Mid 2nd round

agree

 

[apice3*]

No, but he can get loaned to the KHL by an NHL team.

Not sure how all of that works. Did the Blues/Caps loan Tarasenko/Kuznetsov to the KHL or did they just sign there on their own?

 

[Team Concept]

who could we get to trade back to 20-area?

I would trade back to draft Valentin Zykov, but he has been moving up in the recent mock drafts I've looked at so I am not sure he would be there at 20 to 30.

Right-handed shooting sniper which we desperately need if you look at our future prospects.


2012-13 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 67 40 35 75 60 29 19 10 9 19 18

 

[Classic Devil]

Not sure how all of that works. Did the Blues/Caps loan Tarasenko/Kuznetsov to the KHL or did they just sign there on their own?

No, if they're under contract to the KHL, that's not the same thing as a loan. You can loan players to the KHL the way players get loaned to the AHL.

 

[SeidoN]

I would trade back to draft Valentin Zykov, but he has been moving up in the recent mock drafts I've looked at so I am not sure he would be there at 20 to 30.

Right-handed shooting sniper which we desperately need if you look at our future prospects.


2012-13 Baie-Comeau Drakkar QMJHL 67 40 35 75 60 29 19 10 9 19 18

i meant what could we get back from the team we trade to? more picks? roster/prospect players? and anyone in particular? that kind of thing

 

[apice3*]

No, if they're under contract to the KHL, that's not the same thing as a loan. You can loan players to the KHL the way players get loaned to the AHL.

I just feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Captain Lou]

Maybe Lou looks to move up from 39 into the late 1st

 

[Bleedred]

Would be cool if we could somehow do something to get a first rounder next year.

 

[Devils Trap]

Trade back this year and pickup a 1st rounder next year in the process

 

[Devils1029]

I'm thinking that we're maybe looking at guys who might be available in the 20's in case we trade back - bu not from 9 to the 20's but rather maybe we've discussed the possibility of trading back with Columbus and picking up another late 1st rounder.

Columbus gets #9, and we get #14 and #27 (LAK). At 14, we're still in the middle of many of that pack of guys and could still have a shot at Domi, Zykov, Horvat, Erne and then at 27 could have Rychel if he slip a bit. Then, as we still have #39, we'd add three solid prospects to the pool instead of two.

Personally, I'd only do this if McKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm, and Shinkaruk are all gone by #9 and we're left looking at a D-man. Although I like Ristolainen, I'd consider moving back a few spots to pick up another late 1st since it seems the forwards in the next tier are a dip below the dmen that would be available (Risto, Zadarov, Nurse, Pullock) and could be had anywhere between 14 and 20.

 

[Classic Devil]

I just feel like that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Well, that's arguable. I'm not a great fan of such a situation, but it would mean he gets to continue to play in a professional league (at a grade above the AHL), although it would also mean no time spent on the smaller rink, so no adjustment benefit.

It's not ideal. Frankly, Nichushkin is probably decreasing the probability that we take him, but if he is available at 9 I still have a hard time seeing us pass him up.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Maybe Lou looks to move up from 39 into the late 1st

That's what I was thinking. There's gonna be so many forwards in play that someone's bound to slip a bit, be it Erne, Mantha, Zykov, Lazar, Burakowsky...any one of those guys could go at 10 or go at 30 depending on what happens.

 

[Classic Devil]

That's what I was thinking. There's gonna be so many forwards in play that someone's bound to slip a bit, be it Erne, Mantha, Zykov, Lazar, Burakowsky...any one of those guys could go at 10 or go at 30 depending on what happens.

I could see Lou making the attempt if there's someone he really likes.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Shinkaruk may even be someone who slips to 14. After Domi and Horvat's playoffs, and depending on who's targeting the other D prospects like Pulock and Morrissey, there could be all sorts of "surprise" picks. It's kinda like the 2003 draft again where there are so many quality forwards that there ends up being little consensus, except at the top of course.

The depth of this draft is why trading back could be extremely beneficial in the future. Lou might pass on the best forward available to the team at #9, but if he ends up with two or three quality forwards because of it, it opens to the door to moving one of them in the future for more proven talent. Think how San Jose had 4 picks in the first two rounds of 2003. They started with Milan Michalek, Steve Bernier, and Matt Carle and ended up with Dany Heatley, Brian Campbell, and Dan Boyle.

 

[Devil X]

Columbus gets #9, and we get #14 and #27 (LAK). At 14, we're still in the middle of many of that pack of guys and could still have a shot at Domi, Zykov, Horvat, Erne and then at 27 could have Rychel if he slip a bit. Then, as we still have #39, we'd add three solid prospects to the pool instead of two.

In this situation i believe Columbus wants our 2nd also. So would be #9 and #39 for #14 and #27
Unless someone they are VERY high on is sitting there but odds are it would be someone who fell and Lou would want him also.

I also thing the only way Columbus trades 2 of there 1st is to jump up into the top 5.

With how deep this draft appears to be adding three of these players could help them out for the future tremendously. Not to mention we are now division rivals with them. Not sure if that has much barring in the draft or not but still something to think about.

 

[Classic Devil]

Columbus is trying to move their picks for players right now. They're trying to pull together a playoff berth for next season.

Also, keep in mind they're moving into our division, that will further complicate any trades.

 

[ZadorovNJD*]

not sure if.....

Serious? I'm definitely serious. We have good quantity on defence but I think we need a big body back there, and Volch would be a great mentor.

 

[Bleedred]

The only thing Volchenkov would be a good mentor to is acting as a road cone in drivers ed courses.

 

[Kensu]

rather have Pulock over Zadorov.

Zadorov is known for his physicality and for being at 6'5 and 230 pounds competing vs. players in the CHL really isn't impressing me.

Pulock is probably the best PMD in this draft and his shot is great, rather risk it on a PMD than a stay at home defensemen and the last thing we need is Volchenkov teaching Zadorov

 

[Unknown Caller]

rather have Pulock over Zadorov.

Zadorov is known for his physicality and for being at 6'5 and 230 pounds competing vs. players in the CHL really isn't impressing me.

Pulock is probably the best PMD in this draft and his shot is great, rather risk it on a PMD than a stay at home defensemen and the last thing we need is Volchenkov teaching Zadorov

Some scouting reports say the issue with Pulock is that it's uncertain how much room for improvement he has. He may be as good as he ever will be now. Not a Zadorov fan from the Devils perspective, but I think he has the potential to be a beast in the NHL.

 

[glenwo2]

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 6m
Max Domi says fact he has Type 1 diabetes came up in some interviews with NHL teams, but nobody seemed that concerned

I bet they asked the same question involving that "device" he uses like I did.

 

[JackHughes86]

imagine we get domi and horvat

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Shinkaruk and Zykov please, I really really the idea to trade up the 2nd rounder. No more Drouin BS please.

 

[SeidoN]

imagine we get domi and horvat

if the cost wasnt too brutal id like that alot

 

[Devils1029]

I'm not sold on Nicushkin and think he has bust potential big time! He's often knocked for his lack of team play ad ability to use his teammates and every highlight reel I see of the guy is nothing but power moves to the net - never a nice set up play or pass, never a sniper shot - just a bullish drive to the net. He bigger and can get away with that now but maybe not so in the NHL. Imagine him coming in on Chara like that?

I like the big body and he is a goal scoring winger which is what we need but I'm just afraid he'll get frustrated if things don't immediately goes his way and he'll bolt back to the KHL. The potential might be there but if I'm going to take a risk, I might be more comfortable with a guy like Shinkaruk or Domi who might be more willing to work harder and be patient to make the NHL.

Regardless, if Nichushkin is available at #8, I don't see how Buffalo passes on him but personally, I'm hopeful that Carolina picks him. It would be such a twist if TB takes him 3rd overall though - then see everyone fighting to move up for Drouin and Barkov!