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Brodeur said:
All year long, they (along with THN writer Ryan Kennedy) have had a love affair with Robert Hagg.
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Just based on his U-18 tournament, and I know a single tournament doesn't tell the entire story but regardless, Robert Hagg might drop like a bag of rocks in water.

He was completely awful, got schooled by Connor McDavid like 5 times in one game (yes, I know McD is a phenom but still, it looked effortless each and every time) and really didn't show me he was 1st round material.

But like I said, a single tournament isn't enough to judge someone on their entire season or their future.

* On another topic, I'll be catching a couple of 1st rounders in action with game #1 of the Halifax (Drouin, MacKinnon and Fucale) Vs Baie Comeau (Zikov) series on sportsnet
 
I expect 1 or 2 of the big tier of forwards to be left but I wouldn't hope for more than that. It's semi-clear that if you want a forward early you better do it then.

I'm looking mainly at Buffalo/Edmonton concerning their picks. If Monahan is gone I can see Edmonton taking a D or trading back with Philly
 
CerebralGenesis said:
I expect 1 or 2 of the big tier of forwards to be left but I wouldn't hope for more than that. It's semi-clear that if you want a forward early you better do it then.

I'm looking mainly at Buffalo/Edmonton concerning their picks. If Monahan is gone I can see Edmonton taking a D or trading back with Philly
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The talent level is just too good to pass up from pick #1 to #6 IMO. You have a clear cut group of future studs, a couple of top line forwards, solid blueliners and top 6 talent.

1st group
Seth Jones
Jonathan Drouin
Nathan MacKinnon

2nd group
Alexander Barkov
Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan

3rd group
Darnell Nurse
Rasmus Ristolainen
Hunter Shinkaruk
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi

If I had to do a mock draft for the top #15, I'd look a little something like this...

Colorado: Jones (No reasons needed here)
Florida: MacKinnon (Can't pass up a shot of having MacKinnon center Huberdeau)
Tampa: Barkov (I can see Tampa going with a solid 2 way forward like Barkov)
Nashville: Lindholm (Landing 2 stud Swedes in the past month+ will help their offense big time)
Carolina: Drouin (BPA on the board and would look sick on the wing with one of the Staal bros)
Calgary: Monahan (They've been looking for a #1 center for god knows when, here he is)
Edmonton: Nurse (With all the firepower they have up front, Nurse is a solid pick for them)
Buffalo: Nichushkin (They aren't shy about drafting Russians and he's definitly a top #5 talent)
New Jersey: Shinkaruk (Can produce offense and lors knows we need it)
Dallas: Ristolainen (Dropped a bit but Dallas like's their Finns and he's BPA at this point)
Philly: Zadorov (Big, stong, physical d-men... that sounds exactly like their type of players)
Phoenix: Domi (Offensive dynamo, phoenix is loaded on D, so Domi was a logic choice)
Winnipeg: Wennberg (I don't know anything about him, so I just went according to other mocks :p:)
Columbus: Pulock (Having a future tandem of Murray and Pulock looks real promising)
NY Islanders: Lazar (He has the upside of a Mike Richards, really like this player, just not at #9)


Feel free to freak out and flame !!!
 
Tundra said:
Shinkaruk has been dropping since last year. I read he was in the top 5/6 at one point last year.
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Klimchuk was also a guy who was mentioned in that area once upon a time as well, he'll lucky to be a bubble first rounder, could even be on board when we have our second rounder
 
god i wish we could get Barkov. What he's done this season is incredible. That he's ranked 4th just shows how deep this draft is at the top.
 
DEVILS ALL THE WAY said:
The talent level is just too good to pass up from pick #1 to #6 IMO. You have a clear cut group of future studs, a couple of top line forwards, solid blueliners and top 6 talent.

1st group
Seth Jones
Jonathan Drouin
Nathan MacKinnon

2nd group
Alexander Barkov
Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan

3rd group
Darnell Nurse
Rasmus Ristolainen
Hunter Shinkaruk
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi

If I had to do a mock draft for the top #15, I'd look a little something like this...

Colorado: Jones (No reasons needed here)
Florida: MacKinnon (Can't pass up a shot of having MacKinnon center Huberdeau)
Tampa: Barkov (I can see Tampa going with a solid 2 way forward like Barkov)
Nashville: Lindholm (Landing 2 stud Swedes in the past month+ will help their offense big time)
Carolina: Drouin (BPA on the board and would look sick on the wing with one of the Staal bros)
Calgary: Monahan (They've been looking for a #1 center for god knows when, here he is)
Edmonton: Nurse (With all the firepower they have up front, Nurse is a solid pick for them)
Buffalo: Nichushkin (They aren't shy about drafting Russians and he's definitly a top #5 talent)
New Jersey: Shinkaruk (Can produce offense and lors knows we need it)
Dallas: Ristolainen (Dropped a bit but Dallas like's their Finns and he's BPA at this point)
Philly: Zadorov (Big, stong, physical d-men... that sounds exactly like their type of players)
Phoenix: Domi (Offensive dynamo, phoenix is loaded on D, so Domi was a logic choice)
Winnipeg: Wennberg (I don't know anything about him, so I just went according to other mocks :p:)
Columbus: Pulock (Having a future tandem of Murray and Pulock looks real promising)
NY Islanders: Lazar (He has the upside of a Mike Richards, really like this player, just not at #9)


Feel free to freak out and flame !!!
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firstly, I cant see Drouin slipping below Barkov and Lindholm. if that was the case, id have the Devils going after that 5th picks BIGTIME to get him. secondly, I think its wise to split the top 10 into groups like that (even though your mock draft defies it) it sortof gives an idea of the value you would have to give up to make each 'block' as it were
 
DEVILS ALL THE WAY said:
1st group
2nd group
3rd group
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Nichushkin?

DEVILS ALL THE WAY said:
If I had to do a mock draft for the top #15, I'd look a little something like this...
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If shooting for the fifth pick is out of the question, I wonder what it would cost to move up two spots to Edmonton's pick?

That would ensure us one of Lindholm, Monahan or Nichushkin, if we'd value those over Shinkaruk. If Edmonton is thinking D anyway, by that point they'd still have good choices available...

KaossKing said:
firstly, I cant see Drouin slipping below Barkov and Lindholm. if that was the case, id have the Devils going after that 5th picks BIGTIME to get him.
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If Drouin slips to 5, there's no way we're prying that pick away from the Canes
 
I could see Barkov being a surprise and going ahead of one of (maybe even both?) Mackinnon or Drouin. He's a late birthday. Two weeks shy of being a 2014 draft pick. To be honest, considering that the "top 3" have no chance of making it to New Jersey, Barkov's the guy I would want to drop the most, by far.

I doubt it's likely, but it's certainly possible. My dream scenario is one of Nichushkin or Barkov falling to the ninth spot. I could see any of Carolina, Buffalo, or Edmonton taking defensemen, and as long as just one of them do, a good forward is gonna end up in Lou's draft slot.

Drouin
Mackinnon
Barkov
Nichushkin
Lindholm
Monahan
Shinkaruk

Now Jones is certainly gone in the top 2, so that's 8 players total. Someone else needs to take a D or the Devils end up with someone like Mantha or Gauthier or Domi. I personally think Mantha would be a great pick and probably has a good shot to be the "how did this guy not go earlier?" guy of this draft, but he's undoubtedly in the lower tier of prospects compared to the top 7 forwards.
 
I don't see Carolina taking a D in the first but there is a better chance they move the pick and someone else does.

For some reason I just think Philly goes with Ristolainen and that might involve them trading up and taking him.

And also Domi is rising fast don't forget. Very, very quickly.
 
I don't see Carolina taking a D in the first but there is a better chance they move the pick and someone else does.

For some reason I just think Philly goes with Ristolainen and that might involve them trading up and taking him.

And also Domi is rising fast don't forget. Very, very quickly.
 
Eggers said:
Max Domi SCREAMS Gilbert Brule to me. Crash-and-banger that isn't big enough to play his game at the highest level.
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Domi is not a crash and banger. You might be confusing him with his father. He's a highly skilled offensive player. Probably more comparable to Parise in terms of size and skill package. He might actually have better hands/shot than Parise did at that age.
 
Unknown Caller said:
Domi is not a crash and banger. You might be confusing him with his father. He's a highly skilled offensive player. Probably more comparable to Parise in terms of size and skill package. He might actually have better hands/shot than Parise did at that age.
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Was just about to say that.

He has nothing in common with Brule outside of his size. He's 10x better offensively and won't look to destroy the opposition ala Volchenkov on every single hit.

Brule is a very bad comparision when talking about Domi.
 
CJ Richey said:
Well Max Domi did decapitate Artur Gavrus so he does have a little of his father in him.
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Well hitting is part of his game but to compare his game to Brule's is a massive reach IMO.

The kid has the 2nd best set of hands in the draft, IMO, after Drouin. He's a offensive stud and wouldn't mind him one bit if all 7 forwards are gone after Colorado picks Seth Jones.
 
I have no idea why people act like there's such a large gap between Shinkaruk and Domi. It's either 1. They don't like his father/think they have similar playing styles or 2. They don't see him ranked as high on as many lists. The reality is that these players are essentially tied in terms of rankings. Even Bob MacKenzie in his latest rankings said that they are virtually even with Shinkaruk having maybe one more top ten vote (which is nothing).

If you're going based off of size, Domi is one inch shorter, but 20 pounds heavier than Shinkaruk. Domi has 87 points, Shinkaruk has 86 points. Domi has 39 goals, Shinkaruk has 37 goals. In reality, these players are pretty even at the moment.
 
Domi is listed from 5'8 to 5'9 and at least 185-195 lbs from what I've seen. And Shinkaruk may be a little taller but 10-15 lbs less. Not sure which is better but both have size issues.
 
Domi is listed at about 5'9-5'10 and 190. Shinkaruk from 5'10-5'11 and 170. It's all about how big you play. Comparatively Parise is about 5'11 and 185. All I know is 190 pounds is massive for an 18 year old at Domi's height.
 
Which is my point and not too much different from what I posted. Now becomes a size/reach issue or weight issue. I wouldn't mind either if the other forwards are gone. Just look at the Canadiens right now with a bunch of small guys like Gallagher and Desharnais contributing.
 
For people who are knowledgeable about this years draft, we always talk about our #9 pick but we have a very high #39 pick as well.
 
Kensu said:
I'm hoping Duclair is around that pick.
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If Clarkson walks, im hoping our 2nd bags us Jackson Houck. very Clarky-esque. likes to drop the gloves.

also if we trade for a 3rd, im praying Tolchinsky is still around. this guy was mentioned for a 1st roung pick at the start of the year but now most people are saying late 2nd early 3rd. he looks really good, no idea why he slipped
 
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