2013 Draft Thread - Part II

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

I don't know why but I have a feeling someone inquired about Nashville's pick, if the Bolts actually draft Barkov.

I would send Poile Fayne/Tallinder, Merrill and our 1st for a shot at Drouin.

The loss of a roster d-men wouldn't change a thing since we already have a full house and a couple of prospects who are knocking on the door for a full time roster spot in Gelinas or Urbom.

So at the end of the day, we'd be moving Merrill and our pick for Drouin, wich wouldn't bother me one bit. Maybe we can squeeze a 3rd out of Poile but if that wasn't a option, I'd still consider it long and hard.

 

[Bosskarelli]

I don't know why there's a obsession with our pick making it right out of the gates.

I'd imagine people are doing it because our offense sucks and we need a top six forward. The UFA crop looks horrible and we don't have much value to trade so getting one with our pick is pretty much our only hope.

But it's very unlikely whoever we pick will be good enough to fill that role any time soon.

 

[Tundra]

I don't know why but I have a feeling someone inquired about Nashville's pick, if the Bolts actually draft Barkov.

I would send Poile Fayne/Tallinder, Merrill and our 1st for a shot at Drouin.

The loss of a roster d-men wouldn't change a thing since we already have a full house and a couple of prospects who are knocking on the door for a full time roster spot in Gelinas or Urbom.

So at the end of the day, we'd be moving Merrill and our pick for Drouin, wich wouldn't bother me one bit. Maybe we can squeeze a 3rd out of Poile but if that wasn't a option, I'd still consider it long and hard.

I'd be extremely apprehensive at trading away Merrill at this stage. I'd rather trade a contract controlled Fayne and a future 2nd to move up.

 

[apice3*]

I'm still hesitant to trade Merrill. If Merrill were in this draft with his current ability, he'd be the second D-man taken, only behind Jones.

 

[Devils1029]

I don't know why but I have a feeling someone inquired about Nashville's pick, if the Bolts actually draft Barkov.

I would send Poile Fayne/Tallinder, Merrill and our 1st for a shot at Drouin.

The loss of a roster d-men wouldn't change a thing since we already have a full house and a couple of prospects who are knocking on the door for a full time roster spot in Gelinas or Urbom.

So at the end of the day, we'd be moving Merrill and our pick for Drouin, wich wouldn't bother me one bit. Maybe we can squeeze a 3rd out of Poile but if that wasn't a option, I'd still consider it long and hard.

I think Nashville and us aren't great trading partners as we're both looking for forwards and goal scoring and have depth on the back end. Doubt Nashville gives up a forward prospect like Drouin to add more defense. It would probably take an NHL ready goal scoring forward and a high pick where they could add another solid forward prospect (say in picks 12-17) - obviously, that;s just not something we have let alone can afford to give up.

To me, Carolina makes more sense as a trade up partner in that hey could use some NHL ready D, typically don;t like to draft D men so high up nor wait for them to develop. Traded Brian Demoullion last year and Ryan Murphy isn't progressing that well. Could use a solid, stay at home type to partner up with Justin Faulk (although he and Merrill did have some chemistry on Team USA WJC). Also, I doubt they move to pick Nicushkin. I'm just not sure it's worth giving up too much to move up 4 spots unless we really have our hearts set on Nicushkin or Monahan and feel that Calgary would grab our guy at #6.

Dreaming of "trade up scenarios" is fun but probably not very realistic nor sensible. NJ will get a good player at pick #9 potentially a 1st line forward or #3 defenseman. Like Jim said earlier, we need to add assets to the prospect pool, not trade them away. We only have 4 picks this year so we need to make a fairly safe play with the first and possibly even the 2nd as we can;t afford to throw away a year gambling on boom/bust prospects.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

I'm still hesitant to trade Merrill. If Merrill were in this draft with his current ability, he'd be the second D-man taken, only behind Jones.

He'd also be 3 years older then everyone else

 

[apice3*]

That's part of my point.

 

[Brodeur]

Shinkaruk is from Calgary. That's interesting. No way the flames take him that high.

I was tempted to "have" the Flames trade down for Shinkaruk in my mock, but passing on Monahan seems unlikely. Since they were willing to give up those picks for Ryan O'Reilly, I figure they'd like Monahan who'd project to be something pretty similar.

And Kuznetsov was in the high 20's, although we still haven't seen him in the NHL yet.

These two players are why I believe Nischushkin will be around when we pick. Not sure if we take him, but I really believe GM's are foolishly going to let him fall.

It'll be interesting to see how Tarasenko/Kuznetsov affect Nichushkin. I would imagine every team will grill Nichushkin about whether he plans on coming over in two years. Kuznetsov is a bit of a different beast in that he was married at 19 and had seemingly planted some roots in Russia.

Guys like Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse might be 2+ years from really contributing anyways. Teams might look at Tarasenko versus a guy like Brett Connolly and say "Blues waited an extra year or two for Tarasenko to come, but it was probably worth the wait."

It might require a GM that has a firm hold on the job.

 

[Devils1029]

If Nicushkin begins to drop, I doubt he goes further than Buffalo at #8. They need some size on the wings and some scoring. He might be considered BPA at that point and Buffalo also has the 16th overall pick at this time (minnesota) so it's not a huge risk as they will be abel to also select another solid prospect at #16.

The drafted two centers last year including Grigorenko so VN makes perfect sense to them if he drops.

In this case, I think we'd be looking at Shinkaruk assuming Monahan and Lindholm are already gone.

 

[Czech Trio]

I dreamt we picked Hägg

 

[apice3*]

It'll be interesting to see how Tarasenko/Kuznetsov affect Nichushkin. I would imagine every team will grill Nichushkin about whether he plans on coming over in two years. Kuznetsov is a bit of a different beast in that he was married at 19 and had seemingly planted some roots in Russia.

Guys like Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse might be 2+ years from really contributing anyways. Teams might look at Tarasenko versus a guy like Brett Connolly and say "Blues waited an extra year or two for Tarasenko to come, but it was probably worth the wait."

It might require a GM that has a firm hold on the job.

Like Lou Lamoriello for example?

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

I think we'll end up with Shinkaruk or Nichushkin... Just a gut feeling I have.

 

[apice3*]

^I agree, and I have no problem with it

 

[Kensu]

rip off Feaster for their 1st

 

[apice3*]

Which one?

 

[Kensu]

Which one?

their 6th

 

[Jack Griffin]

I'm probably the biggest Merrill fan here and I would trade him in order to get into the top 4.

 

[Zippy316]

It'll be interesting to see how Tarasenko/Kuznetsov affect Nichushkin. I would imagine every team will grill Nichushkin about whether he plans on coming over in two years. Kuznetsov is a bit of a different beast in that he was married at 19 and had seemingly planted some roots in Russia.

Guys like Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse might be 2+ years from really contributing anyways. Teams might look at Tarasenko versus a guy like Brett Connolly and say "Blues waited an extra year or two for Tarasenko to come, but it was probably worth the wait."

It might require a GM that has a firm hold on the job.

Nichuskin is someone you acquire when your prospect pool at forward is relatively filled out and you lack that gamebreaker, similar to getting Shinkaruk. If you are looking for immediate help, then obviously Nichuskin isn't your guy. It has to be a team going into a rebuild, I wouldn't be surprised if Nashville snags him for that reason.

 

[Traitor Zach]

I'm not as high on Shinkaruk as others are, especially after watching some more game tape of him, rather than just highlight reels. I think there's enormous bust potential with him and he's really raw still.

Anybody who thinks our draftee is helping us this year or even in 2014-2015 is really not thinking too clearly. Especially if Deboer is the coach still at the latter point in time.

That's why, I wouldn't be averse to taking Nichushkin if he was there at 9 and we had to wait at least a year, if not two for him to come over. I love his size and aggressiveness in the offensive zone. And having Kovy is here is definitely a bonus for all parties involved.

As for TB, I'd be stunned if they didn't try to mortgage the pick for a nice haul but not move down too far, where they'd lose out on one of the guys in the top tier of defensemen. I'm not sure I'd want to trade with them though if it meant giving up guys like Merrill and Fayne just for a chance to draft Drouin or MacKinnon.

 

[McMozesmadness]

Oilers fan here, but just an overall prospect and draft fanatic.

I'm pretty sure the Devils will go with a foreword at 9, so how do you guys feel about Zykov at 9 he is a riser who is playing great in the playoffs and is only getting better, he plays a power forwards game and I can see him in a Devils uniform.

What are the thoughts of Devils fans?

thanks!

 

[Traitor Zach]

Nichuskin is someone you acquire when your prospect pool at forward is relatively filled out and you lack that gamebreaker, similar to getting Shinkaruk. If you are looking for immediate help, then obviously Nichuskin isn't your guy. It has to be a team going into a rebuild, I wouldn't be surprised if Nashville snags him for that reason.

Nashville is not going into a rebuild at all.

And I'm not a believer in draft picks always being "immediate" help. That's the exception to the norm, where most draft picks struggle in most aspects and their adjustment at some point in their first two years, even if they have a sudden burst in the beginning.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Oilers fan here, but just an overall prospect and draft fanatic.

I'm pretty sure the Devils will go with a foreword at 9, so how do you guys feel about Zykov at 9 he is a riser who is playing great in the playoffs and is only getting better, he plays a power forwards game and I can see him in a Devils uniform.

What are the thoughts of Devils fans?

thanks!

I actually like what little of Zykov I have seen. Not sure though I'd be confident taking him at 9 with some of the other talent that might be there. I'd trade back a little bit in this case. I think he'd be available in the early-mid teens.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Shinkaruk is from Calgary. That's interesting. No way the flames take him that high.

You've clearly never met Jay Feaster.

 

[DEVILS ALL THE WAY*]

I'm not as high on Shinkaruk as others are, especially after watching some more game tape of him, rather than just highlight reels. I think there's enormous bust potential with him and he's really raw still.

Anybody who thinks our draftee is helping us this year or even in 2014-2015 is really not thinking too clearly. Especially if Deboer is the coach still at the latter point in time.

That's why, I wouldn't be averse to taking Nichushkin if he was there at 9 and we had to wait at least a year, if not two for him to come over. I love his size and aggressiveness in the offensive zone. And having Kovy is here is definitely a bonus for all parties involved.

As for TB, I'd be stunned if they didn't try to mortgage the pick for a nice haul but not move down too far, where they'd lose out on one of the guys in the top tier of defensemen. I'm not sure I'd want to trade with them though if it meant giving up guys like Merrill and Fayne just for a chance to draft Drouin or MacKinnon.

Why does Shinkaruk look like a potential bust to you?

To me, he looks a lot like Parise, meaning a offensive gifted forward who plays hard on every shift, is solid along the boards and can play on the PP or the PK cause of his speed and relentless pursuit of the puck.

Regarding your last paragraph, anyone who wouldn't consider moving Fayne or Merrill in order to pick Drouin or MacKinnon probably don't know too much about both prospects cause they wouldn't even consider saying such a thing if there was actually a possibility of it happening.

 

[Devils Trap]

I would Love Shinkaruk on this team. Looks like he could become an elite level winger if developed correctly

He reminds me of a passed #9 we had, just with a better shot