Jordan Staal also happened to go ahead of Jonathan Toews and Nicklas Backstrom, both whom are vastly superior players. Monahan has been said to be a poor man's Toews and Elias Lindholm is apparently a more defensively responsible version of Backstrom. Did you really think bringing up Jordan Staal would prove a point? Because I call that a wasted opportunity.
I'll concede to Ryan Getzlaf example, but if people knew Ryan Getzlaf was going to be as good as he was, he would've been a slam dunk top 5 pick. There's a much higher chance that Horvat/Lazar become 3rd liners than Ryan Getzlaf V2. You don't take risks like that when you could have a guy like Elias Lindholm. That being said, if we were picking 19th overall, I wouldn't mind Horvat/Lazar, but taking them at 7 is a waste of a pick.
I'm not too sure that teams are looking for picks in 2015. Besides, a first round pick is too much to move up a couple spots.
As I said in the other thread, we don't need to trade another 1st to move up. IF Nash or Car is willing to move down, it shouldn't cost us more than 7 + 37
Actually if I was a GM I would be looking to pickup as many 2015 1st round picks as I can, to improve my chances at landing Connor McDavid.
I mean if we end up trading down instead of getting a late first or 2nd round pick to move down I would ask for that teams 2015 1st round pick.
I know McDavid is slightly more hyped than those in previous years but 2 years out there is always the "he's the next great one" chatter and sometimes it doesn't end up that way. Angelo Esposito, John Mcfarland, Sean Couturier, Nathan Mackinnon, etc. There is understandably hype about these kids but the assumption that every one who is granted "exceptional player" status in the CHL will become the next Gretzky/Crosby/etc. is a little overblown.
Heck we should trade for 1sts in the 2017 draft and get Tyler Benson!
I have to say the hype around McDavid is justified. He and Dylan Strome are going to be a lot fun to watch over the next two seasons. They come to Niagara often!
I've made similar posts for a while that the cost to move-up from 7 to 4-5 has historically been a 2nd and sometimes a 3rd added on as well. But if a team isn't interested in moving the pick, then the "going rate" is essentially meaningless, and the team looking to move up has to give them a reason to trade down. Getting the right player can be worth giving up more than what something should cost, and next year's 1st represents my max as to what I'd be willing to give up, because of what a player like Barkov could mean for this team.
Throw MacT a bone to Draft Lindholm.
I want Lindholm because his middle name is Zebulon.
Really hope MacT can trade up to 4 and grab Barkov. He would be a great addition to the pipeline, if he isn't on the team next year he would the year after and ready to step into 2C position IMO.
Would it be enough, the two 2nd's and 7 for 4? I think even though historically, this would be considered too much, I think you have to take a leap of faith on this guy and bring him to camp, see what happens.
The way that I look at it is that even if we trade both of our 2nd round picks to get Barkov or Monahan, etc. we are simply moving a pair of 2nd round picks to get a likely 2C with size. When was the last time that a player like that was dealt for a pair of 2nd round picks let alone 1? This is why I'd happily overpay a bit if that is what is required. Because trying to acquire the established version of these players costs a hell of a lot more than that. MacT really should be pursuing a trade to land us that fabled 2C with size and defensive awareness and if Carolina really is looking for a D with their pick then there really is no reason why he shouldn't be able to pull it off.