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If Duclair was in this year's draft, would he go top 5? I assume he isn't as good of a prospect as Rundblad, but would he have gone as high as #2?
Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)
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Beacon
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Highly unlikely. The top 5 guys are almost always big. I remember in 1997 everyone was saying that Samsonov is the most talented player after Thornton and might go #2. He went #8.
The Duke is only 5'11, which knocks him out of the top 5. Let's also keep in mind that outside of a tremendous 2 months streak when he averaged a nice amount of points, but nothing earth shattering. A smallish player doesn't jump into the top 5 based on two months.
He'd probably be top 10 though. But top-5 in skill.
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He was producing at 1,45 ppg his first two months, which is 100 points in a complete season. This would still be impressive for a player in his draft year. And it's normal for a player to have waves in production during a season. What is better is to finish stronger than you started. They're players in development so when they produce more and more during the course of the season, it shows they are indeed developing!
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What the **** are you talking about? Your support for this claim is some anecdote from 2 decades ago? Do you have any evidence that Samsonov dropped because of his height and not because of 1 million other potential reasons? Drouin, Crosby, Duchene, Yakupov, and Patrick Kane are all under 6 feet. Phil Kessel was BARELY 6 feet tall on draft day. What a ****ing absurd claim. Any NHL scout who walked into a team meeting and outright dismissed a player because he was "only" 5'11 would be unemployed within the week.
Raspewtin
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Definitely not, only the most dynamic wingers make the top 5, this year especially it'll be loaded with centers.
Top 10 or just outside of it, most likely.
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He should have gone top 20 in his draft year.
In other news, Duclair DID NOT make it in the three stars this week.
In other news, Duclair DID NOT make it in the three stars this week.
Raspewtin
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He should have gone top 20 in his draft year.
In other news, Duclair DID NOT make it in the three stars this week.
Serious fall from grace there.
The next Alex Bourret.
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http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/5...s-playing-with-first-round-skill#.UvkWDIXCU7A
Gorton on the 3 3rd rounders from last draft
Gorton on the 3 3rd rounders from last draft
NYR Viper
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Yeah it was great read. Good to know this board has some knowledgeable posters like Ola and Beacon. Gorton says some of the same things they've been saying about physical maturity.
At the World Juniors Buchnevich helped Russia capture a Bronze medal. He was tied for second on the team with seven points (2-5-7) in seven games and was tied for eighth among all players in the tournament in assists and tied for 12th in scoring.
Of course his two-goal outing against the United States in the quarterfinals will be remembered for his over-the-top celebrating in front of Team USA's bench which sparked a mild altercation and some harsh words flying between the two benches.
"I'd be lying if I said I didn't wince when that happened, but he paid a price for it--was penalized and understood what he did probably wasn't the best thing to do--and now he learns from it and moves on," said Gorton, who was in attendance for that game.
However Clark adds, "I'd rather see that emotion than have a real bland, vanilla guy. That was a huge win for that team and he played a big part in it. He's a highly-competitive guy. He'll learn from it, but you don't want to see him lose any of that pure emotion."
yet a lot of the Rangers team are bland guys like Nash and Stepan
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At the World Juniors Buchnevich helped Russia capture a Bronze medal. He was tied for second on the team with seven points (2-5-7) in seven games and was tied for eighth among all players in the tournament in assists and tied for 12th in scoring.
Of course his two-goal outing against the United States in the quarterfinals will be remembered for his over-the-top celebrating in front of Team USA's bench which sparked a mild altercation and some harsh words flying between the two benches.
"I'd be lying if I said I didn't wince when that happened, but he paid a price for it--was penalized and understood what he did probably wasn't the best thing to do--and now he learns from it and moves on," said Gorton, who was in attendance for that game.
However Clark adds, "I'd rather see that emotion than have a real bland, vanilla guy. That was a huge win for that team and he played a big part in it. He's a highly-competitive guy. He'll learn from it, but you don't want to see him lose any of that pure emotion."
yet a lot of the Rangers team are bland guys like Nash and Stepan
Stepan shows quite a bit of fire. Especially after a goal. Did you watch him in the WJC?
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Fire and being a ****** are not synonymous.
Stepan isn't "flashy" he is a defensively responsible, 2 way player who got everyone way too excited with an outlier short season of PPG production.
Buch was a kid, so I didn't react to that as badly as I might have. Hell, I was playing prep hockey at that age. Guy can't be expected to be flawless.
Stepan isn't "flashy" he is a defensively responsible, 2 way player who got everyone way too excited with an outlier short season of PPG production.
Buch was a kid, so I didn't react to that as badly as I might have. Hell, I was playing prep hockey at that age. Guy can't be expected to be flawless.
At the World Juniors Buchnevich helped Russia capture a Bronze medal. He was tied for second on the team with seven points (2-5-7) in seven games and was tied for eighth among all players in the tournament in assists and tied for 12th in scoring.
Of course his two-goal outing against the United States in the quarterfinals will be remembered for his over-the-top celebrating in front of Team USA's bench which sparked a mild altercation and some harsh words flying between the two benches.
"I'd be lying if I said I didn't wince when that happened, but he paid a price for it--was penalized and understood what he did probably wasn't the best thing to do--and now he learns from it and moves on," said Gorton, who was in attendance for that game.
However Clark adds, "I'd rather see that emotion than have a real bland, vanilla guy. That was a huge win for that team and he played a big part in it. He's a highly-competitive guy. He'll learn from it, but you don't want to see him lose any of that pure emotion."
yet a lot of the Rangers team are bland guys like Nash and Stepan
Remember when Stepan got that terrible penalty call and was slamming the glass in the box and screaming at the ref? So bland.
I'm with Clark on this one.
Stepan needs to play more intensity in his game.. he plays better when he is pissed off..
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There's a lot of experience for him to get next year. First, there's the Traverse City Tournament. Then an NHL training camp, preseason games, and 10 NHL games. That's quite a bit already. But I say return him to Juniors after that and let him compete to get on Canada's WJC team. Making that squad is a feat itself and something Christian Thomas and all his goal scoring ability, couldn't do. If he makes team Canada and plays well in the tournament, then consider turning him pro the following season. There's a lot of XP Duke can get next year inside the extremes of NHL and the Q.
Making team Canada and having a great tournament is my goal for him next year.
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Not bad and I've always like the Butch and Duke picks, just not Tambo. Would have much rathered they take a goalie, Sarro would have been nice.
Beacon
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It's 9 NHL games, but it's still very good experience. Traverse is a little higher than juniors because all the under-18 kids are gone, as are the majority of non-drafted kids. That said, it's still not NHL hockey, and in fact, it's not even ECHL hockey. It's just upgraded junior hockey.
On the other hand, preseason hockey is a mix of AHL and NHL players and that will be a very good way to gauge his ability.
If he dominates Traverse and performs well in preseason, I'd give him 9 NHL games for experience, then send him down to Quebec to hopefully dominate the juniors.
Him not making Team Canada next year would be a bad sign. Sure, a lot of players who never made it go on to be good players. But he's got so much offense in him that failing to make the team means that professionals who watch him regularly believe that the rest of his game has more holes than Swiss cheese.
a lot of players make the team and dont do much at the NHL level....
Stephen Dixon, Jeremy Colliton, Sean Belle, Derek Meech, Jeff Tambellini, Tim Brent, Anthony Stewart...
although Dawes played in the NHL, he was not good enough to stay.
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2004/Final-Roster
Nigel Dawes was on that same team as Sydney Crosby, Mike Richards, Ryan Getzlaf, Kevin Klein
Raspewtin
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It's ******** that he didn't make it this year.
I mean, Josh Anderson and Taylor Leier made it over him. Have you heard of either of them?
I understand wanting older players for the team, but you couldn't just ignore Duclair's numbers. He was already having a really good season.
Brent Sutter likes his two-way play. That's probably why Duclair stayed home, though it's quite acceptable.
I kinda like that he didn't make the team though, as it proved what he can do with stepped up responsibilities.
I would add that Duclair is not Sutter's type, neither is Drouin or Mantha. Sutter likes hard nose, greety players. North-South type of players. He doesn't like skills and this is why Canada lost. In a fast pace skilled tournament, they thought wrong not to bring more skill players. Guys that can skate fast and can create. That's not Sutter's brand of hockey. Nothing against Gauthier, as an example, but they did him a disservice to have picked him. His skating wasn't up to par against great skating Euro teams.....
Canada won't repeat this error next year. Knowing the tournament is in his home town and that Duclair is one of the leading scorers in the Q.... Plus, I believe they will pick a Qc head coach this time around.
Is the hype on Duke real? I know literally nothing about him. Won't pretend I do. I just know players in our past have looked like stars in the minors, lighting teams up, and nothing came of them.
I do like Buch as a prospect though. Think he'll make some noise. But again, know nothing on Duclair. Wondering if he's the real thing or it's just typical HF hype.
I do like Buch as a prospect though. Think he'll make some noise. But again, know nothing on Duclair. Wondering if he's the real thing or it's just typical HF hype.
Raspewtin
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In my opinion he's for real. He won't be a superstar or anything but he'll be a very solid offensive contributor at the NHL level if he makes it.
As usual, every offensive prospect the Rangers had that have made noise in recent years (Grachev, Thomas, MSC, Dawes, etc.) had some bad flaw in their game that really hurt their NHL chances. Duclair lacks on those chance-hurting attributes. Thomas' size is not good, and he didn't have the skating to make up for it. Grachev's skating was awful. MSC can't skate either, and is small + soft. Dawes is small and again a bad skater.
Duclair's got a very solid skillset that can translate well. Of course, if he doesn't, he can make it as a 3rd line energy player with his puck retrieval skills and speed. Guys like Thomas are top-6 or bust.
It's ultimately up to you if you buy the hype.
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