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Mr. Met

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I was thinking about the 2012 NHL draft today and then I was thinking about Alex Ovechkins beautiful goal number 895

Two of those things have one thing in common, Tom Wilson.


Upon this reflection, I've come to terms that if the 2012 NHL draft was to be done over again with what we know in 2025 I think Tom Wilson would be picked 1st overall and I don't think its possible to argue against that. He would've changed the entire course of the Edmonton Oilers history.

I don't think there is one user on forums.hfboards.com that could give me a satisfactory rationale to change my mind, feel free to try.
 
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Mr. Met said:
I was thinking about the 2012 NHL draft today and then I was thinking about Alex Ovechkins beautiful goal number 895

Two of those things have one thing in common, Tom Wilson.


Upon this reflection, I've come to terms that if the 2012 NHL draft was to be done over again with what we know in 2025 I think Tom Wilson would be picked 1st overall and I don't think its possible to argue against that. He would've changed the entire course of the Edmonton Oilers history.

I don't think there is one user on forums.hfboards.com that could give me a satisfactory rationale to change my mind, feel free to try.
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Connor Hellebuyck?
 
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Players drafted before him that i would take
Lindholm
Forsberg

Players drafted after him that I would take
Vasi
Slavin
Helly

*potentially ullmark and hertl

so he would jump up to the 6-8 range imo
 
Mr. Met said:
I can't name one good goalie picked 1st overall

That simply would never work out
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Wait you took Ovi hitting a record with a Wilson assist (when he was scoring and doing it long before he was drafted and well after when it took forever for him to develop) and turned that into Wilson would go first OA?

Impressive spin. Do you have any interest in working for the Toronto Sun?
 
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My attempt at a top-32 redraft with the power of hindsight:

1- Vasilevskiy17- Gostisbehere
2- Hellebuyck18- Pelech
3- Slavin19- Matheson
4- Forsberg20- Laughton
5- Hertl21- Kerfoot
6- Rielly22- Brown
7- Parayko23- Severson
8- Lindholm24- McCabe
9- Lindell25- Anderson
10- Ullmark26- Grzelcyk
11- Trouba27- Maatta
12- Wilson28- Kulak
13- Skjei29- Brown
14- Dumba30- Girgensons
15- Teravainen31- Faksa
16- Stephenson32- Murray

Kind of telling that neither Yakupov nor Galchenyuk make the top-32 in my opinion. Galchenyuk had good seasons in Montreal, but wasted so much of his potential it's crazy. Same for Yakupov in Edmonton.

But this is arguably one of the weakest drafts of all-time, and this exercise makes it pretty clear.
 
JadedRandom said:
My attempt at a top-32 redraft with the power of hindsight:

1- Vasilevskiy17- Gostisbehere
2- Hellebuyck18- Pelech
3- Slavin19- Matheson
4- Forsberg20- Laughton
5- Hertl21- Kerfoot
6- Rielly22- Brown
7- Parayko23- Severson
8- Lindholm24- McCabe
9- Lindell25- Anderson
10- Ullmark26- Grzelcyk
11- Trouba27- Maatta
12- Wilson28- Kulak
13- Skjei29- Brown
14- Dumba30- Girgensons
15- Teravainen31- Faksa
16- Stephenson32- Murray

Kind of telling that neither Yakupov nor Galchenyuk make the top-32 in my opinion. Galchenyuk had good seasons in Montreal, but wasted so much of his potential it's crazy. Same for Yakupov in Edmonton.

But this is arguably one of the weakest drafts of all-time, and this exercise makes it pretty clear.
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Its shocking that you have Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Slavin, Forsberg, Hertl, Rielly, Parayko, Lindholm, Lindell, Ullmark and Trouba listed ahead of Tom Wilson with zero insight as to how you came to that conclusion
 
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Its shocking that you have Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Slavin, Forsberg, Hertl, Rielly, Parayko, Lindholm, Lindell, Ullmark and Trouba listed ahead of Tom Wilson with zero insight as to how you came to that conclusion
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its shocking how you came to the idea that wilson should go 1OA in the 2012 draft without any rationale either.

Guys like Tom Wilson work when they are the 4th/5th/6th/etc best player on a team

2018 Caps they had a handful of guys much better than him in OV, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Oshie, Holtby, just off the top of my head

2025 Caps have OV, Protas, better for sure and hes then in a tier with Chychrun, Carlson, Thompsom and PLD

If Wilson was ever the best or 2nd best player on a team it would be a perennial bottom feeder.

Hes a great player to add to a team with elite talent. He isnt an elite talent himself

Forsberg was a better/more important player his whole career for the Preds and more so for their 2017 SCF run

Vasilevsky was the bolts 2nd best player from 2020 to 2022 run.

Slavin is routinely top 15 in norris votes and has been the Canes best D for 7+ years now.

Helleybuck the second he were to win a cup would be a the best goalie from the 05 era onwards (better than Lundqvuist, Price, rask, thomas, vasilevsky, Rinne, Etc)

The other guys you can argue atleast for Wilson. These 4 players he doesnt come close to touching
 
Tom Wilson would definitely go 1st overall in a redraft. Rest easy knowing that you're 100% correct and no one else is required to pointlessly argue against your factual opinion.
 
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Mr. Met said:
Its shocking that you have Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Slavin, Forsberg, Hertl, Rielly, Parayko, Lindholm, Lindell, Ullmark and Trouba listed ahead of Tom Wilson with zero insight as to how you came to that conclusion
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Wilson is a very good player, but he's more of a complementary piece on a line than a main driver. One heck of a complementary piece, and very hard to contain admittedly. But he isn't as impactful on his own as the others I have ahead.

All the guys I have ahead of him have been IMO more important to their respective teams than Wilson has been to his from 2012 to now.

A guy like Trouba has faded a bit in the last couple of years, but was unarguably more valuable to his team prior to that compared to Wilson.

Ullmark has won a Vezina and been great with Boston and Ottawa, so he goes ahead too.

Lindell is way underrated on the Stars, and amongst the very best defensive defensemen in the league in my opinion.

Parayko is a top-pairing D on a strong team in St. Louis, and they won a Cup with him being one of their most-important players. I take him before Wilson.

Hertl has been stuck in San Jose before Vegas, but is a top-20 C in the league when not injured, so that is better than Wilson to me too.

Hampus Lindholm made the NHL at 19 for the Ducks and was tremendous for them even through some pretty down years, until he made it to Boston and proved to be a strong player for them too.

Forsberg is a two-way beast and was a scoring machine for years for Nashville. Not as tough but better in every other way than Wilson.

Hellebuyck and Vasilevskiy are both amongst the elite of the league now and have been for years, no-contest more valuable than Wilson.

Slavin is the single-best defensive defenseman in the NHL and has been for years in my opinion. I similarly take him before Wilson in a redraft.

And Morgan Rielly is a flawed #1D for the Maple Leafs, but has given them some pretty amazing seasons and awesome production for a D, so I'd have him before Wilson too.

I say that, but I still really like Wilson and this is not an impeachment on him in any way.

I just value other players more as a completely neutral fan that has "no horse" at play in this whole thing.
 
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