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2009 Born for the 2025 OHL DRAFT

Wifi said:
I have taken some time to create a consolidated draft rank based off of the online scouting services. I assume this is aloud as I am not giving away specific information from these sites, rather the general rankings. This is the top 63 players not including goalies, I have also highlighted how the players ranks have changed since the mid point of the season along with the highest and lowest individual rankings the player received.
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Nice consolidation, did you say which ranking sites? I know most of you are focused on the 1st few rounds, though many good candidates & later bloomers work hard to get drafted at all, many from smaller markets and don't put up big points but are great players who would be better options than a kid from a top team with a few more points inflated due to team strength. For rounds beyond the first few, it seems that the rankings have been pretty off from what materializes in the past drafts once you get beyond top 50 or 75. With even the most “reputable” Neutral Zone list for 50 - 300 the rankings don’t reflect what will happen for a good %. As per draft last year, many went way higher or lower than ranked or not at all. For NZ last year (and again this year), entire rosters for teams being on the top 300 list, yet half of them not getting drafted, therefore a majority of team / central scouting know better based on previous years (though some teams seem to follow it blindly for mid to late rounds? and may be the cause of picking up some real busts). So towards Central ratings that we don't get to see, how does the OHL Central scouting ratings work? they rate all eligible draft candidates by categories? Skating, physicality, speed, IQ, etc.? Then they provide their ratings to the OHL scouting teams to aide their selection process?
 
oldtymehockeyguy said:
Nice consolidation, did you say which ranking sites? I know most of you are focused on the 1st few rounds, though many good candidates & later bloomers work hard to get drafted at all, many from smaller markets and don't put up big points but are great players who would be better options than a kid from a top team with a few more points inflated due to team strength. For rounds beyond the first few, it seems that the rankings have been pretty off from what materializes in the past drafts once you get beyond top 50 or 75. With even the most “reputable” Neutral Zone list for 50 - 300 the rankings don’t reflect what will happen for a good %. As per draft last year, many went way higher or lower than ranked or not at all. For NZ last year (and again this year), entire rosters for teams being on the top 300 list, yet half of them not getting drafted, therefore a majority of team / central scouting know better based on previous years (though some teams seem to follow it blindly for mid to late rounds? and may be the cause of picking up some real busts). So towards Central ratings that we don't get to see, how does the OHL Central scouting ratings work? they rate all eligible draft candidates by categories? Skating, physicality, speed, IQ, etc.? Then they provide their ratings to the OHL scouting teams to aide their selection process?
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The 4 rankings for this were Breakaway prospects, Neutral Zone, PuckPreps, & Ryan Mcarthur. From what I found even with comparing these lists, The kids ranked in the top 20ish might vary 5 spots or so from list to list, once you get outside the top 60, the lists can vary by over 100 spots. There were very few players outside of the top 40 that had a deviation of less than 10 spots list to list.
 
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oldtymehockeyguy said:
Nice consolidation, did you say which ranking sites? I know most of you are focused on the 1st few rounds, though many good candidates & later bloomers work hard to get drafted at all, many from smaller markets and don't put up big points but are great players who would be better options than a kid from a top team with a few more points inflated due to team strength. For rounds beyond the first few, it seems that the rankings have been pretty off from what materializes in the past drafts once you get beyond top 50 or 75. With even the most “reputable” Neutral Zone list for 50 - 300 the rankings don’t reflect what will happen for a good %. As per draft last year, many went way higher or lower than ranked or not at all. For NZ last year (and again this year), entire rosters for teams being on the top 300 list, yet half of them not getting drafted, therefore a majority of team / central scouting know better based on previous years (though some teams seem to follow it blindly for mid to late rounds? and may be the cause of picking up some real busts). So towards Central ratings that we don't get to see, how does the OHL Central scouting ratings work? they rate all eligible draft candidates by categories? Skating, physicality, speed, IQ, etc.? Then they provide their ratings to the OHL scouting teams to aide their selection process?
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The latter half of the draft will always be a crapshoot. There are only so many roster spots available, and the majority of those spots will be taken by kids drafted in the first few rounds. Later rounds is where you see kids getting picked more due to size, relation to hockey people, or a kids that may have been on the periphery of scouts. Sometimes there are diamonds in the rough, but those kids will be working hard at camps to show they can keep up.
 
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StormWatcher said:
The latter half of the draft will always be a crapshoot. There are only so many roster spots available, and the majority of those spots will be taken by kids drafted in the first few rounds. Later rounds is where you see kids getting picked more due to size, relation to hockey people, or a kids that may have been on the periphery of scouts. Sometimes there are diamonds in the rough, but those kids will be working hard at camps to show they can keep up.
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For sure, and paid advisors or agents lobbying team reps just to get their client drafted as they did for the rankings lists, though if central / team scouting does a good job and ignore the lobbying, then they should know who legitimately should be picked where in latter half as well.
 
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oldtymehockeyguy said:
Nice consolidation, did you say which ranking sites? I know most of you are focused on the 1st few rounds, though many good candidates & later bloomers work hard to get drafted at all, many from smaller markets and don't put up big points but are great players who would be better options than a kid from a top team with a few more points inflated due to team strength. For rounds beyond the first few, it seems that the rankings have been pretty off from what materializes in the past drafts once you get beyond top 50 or 75. With even the most “reputable” Neutral Zone list for 50 - 300 the rankings don’t reflect what will happen for a good %. As per draft last year, many went way higher or lower than ranked or not at all. For NZ last year (and again this year), entire rosters for teams being on the top 300 list, yet half of them not getting drafted, therefore a majority of team / central scouting know better based on previous years (though some teams seem to follow it blindly for mid to late rounds? and may be the cause of picking up some real busts). So towards Central ratings that we don't get to see, how does the OHL Central scouting ratings work? they rate all eligible draft candidates by categories? Skating, physicality, speed, IQ, etc.? Then they provide their ratings to the OHL scouting teams to aide their selection process?
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I think you're underestimate how many players there are eligible for the draft every year. The top half of the draft (first 7-8 rounds), teams are typically all picking from the same list of players around 150 players. After that it's a total crap shot, because teams are now picking from thousands of hockey players around North America. If you're talking about percentages of list that have 300+ players on them, the hit rate for those last 150 will inevitably be pretty low. And teams do not just use central scoutings list to draft late round picks, that's typically where the scouts get to showcase themselves and use their hours in the rinks to come up with the best high upside players.

People LOVE getting mad because Player X or Player Y didn't get drafted because they believe they're better than pick 255 but teams don't draft the best players, they draft who they believe will be the best players or potential to be the best players 2-3 years from now.

Scouting is totally subjective, someones 100 ranked player could be someone elses 250 ranked player, that's the beauty of scouting.

People also LOVE to criticize draft picks or rankings when they haven't spent hours in the rinks.

Draft picks will inevitably be wrong, so will rankings list, there's no point in complaining about it.
 
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BigDevs93 said:
I think you're underestimate how many players there are eligible for the draft every year. The top half of the draft (first 7-8 rounds), teams are typically all picking from the same list of players around 150 players. After that it's a total crap shot, because teams are now picking from thousands of hockey players around North America. If you're talking about percentages of list that have 300+ players on them, the hit rate for those last 150 will inevitably be pretty low. And teams do not just use central scoutings list to draft late round picks, that's typically where the scouts get to showcase themselves and use their hours in the rinks to come up with the best high upside players.

People LOVE getting mad because Player X or Player Y didn't get drafted because they believe they're better than pick 255 but teams don't draft the best players, they draft who they believe will be the best players or potential to be the best players 2-3 years from now.

Scouting is totally subjective, someones 100 ranked player could be someone elses 250 ranked player, that's the beauty of scouting.

People also LOVE to criticize draft picks or rankings when they haven't spent hours in the rinks.

Draft picks will inevitably be wrong, so will rankings list, there's no point in complaining about it.
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Man that's why I love drafts waaaaaayyy more than trades. I'm in a couple sim leagues and I love getting ready for drafts and hitting on a mid round pick or two or having a guy I thought was 1st rounder be there at like pick 30 something.
 
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BigDevs93 said:
I think you're underestimate how many players there are eligible for the draft every year. The top half of the draft (first 7-8 rounds), teams are typically all picking from the same list of players around 150 players. After that it's a total crap shot, because teams are now picking from thousands of hockey players around North America. If you're talking about percentages of list that have 300+ players on them, the hit rate for those last 150 will inevitably be pretty low. And teams do not just use central scoutings list to draft late round picks, that's typically where the scouts get to showcase themselves and use their hours in the rinks to come up with the best high upside players.

People LOVE getting mad because Player X or Player Y didn't get drafted because they believe they're better than pick 255 but teams don't draft the best players, they draft who they believe will be the best players or potential to be the best players 2-3 years from now.

Scouting is totally subjective, someones 100 ranked player could be someone elses 250 ranked player, that's the beauty of scouting.

People also LOVE to criticize draft picks or rankings when they haven't spent hours in the rinks.

Draft picks will inevitably be wrong, so will rankings list, there's no point in complaining about it.
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This. And also, if a 10th round pick has a very slim to nil chance of making a roster anyway, and I'm a GM, I'm for sure leveraging networks and good will to pick player A over player B, in hopes that that good will will be returned down the line when vying for a better player that may pop up among the same network. This isn't snatching the dreams of some undrafted kid, as some parents may believe, it's the way of the world.
 
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4 hours till the draft begins. What do we know for 100% certain? Do we know what the top 5-10 picks will be? or is there still chance that a team could shock us with their pick?
 
I 100% believe that Kaczynski will report. Soo doesn't get a comp pick if he doesn't, so it's grounds for termination if Raftis doesn't get him to come.

Guessing they are playing the long game with Daley. We don't need him to report this year anyway.
 
Petes took a swing on Gerry DiCunzolo and I hope the Petes can find a way to get him to commit. Crazy year with Shattuck St Mary’s 140 points in 58 games.
 
frontsfan67 said:
are they gonna be playing OHL hockey or their sons?
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Most likely you never sought out the guidance of your father.

If I had a father who played for the Greyhounds, NHL hockey, is co owner of a Canadian Junior team, sits on the Pittsburg Penguins executive staff... the other who played for the London Knights, NHL , worked in the Sabes organization and coached with son's Canadian U16 team... NAH what career insight could they offer me...!
 
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swoopster said:
Most likely you never sought out the guidance of your father.

If I had a father who played for the Greyhounds, NHL hockey, is co owner of a Canadian Junior team, sits on the Pittsburg Penguins executive staff... the other who played for the London Knights, NHL , worked in the Sabes organization and coached with son's Canadian U16 team... NAH what career insight could they offer me...!
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Yes and still it’s not their father lacing it up. You think every former NHLers son lights it up just because of daddy?
 
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