2008 NHL Re-Draft

:laugh::laugh:

Myers >>> Carlson. Myers is bigger, better offensively, better defensively, more physical, better skater and just better in every facet then Carlson. Myers has the Calder. Myers has the 48 point rookie and 37 point sophomore season. Carlson has a career high of 37 then 32. And Myers doesn't have the benefit of a future HoF forward on his team.

The only dmen ahead of Myers is Pietrangelo, Doughty and Karlsson. Guys like Josi, Carlson, Bogosion aren't close to Myers.

Lol. Myers also didn't see little to no PP time up until this season because of Mike Green. And even then, Myers offensive stats are barely better.

Better defensively?

Blocked Shots:
2010-11:
Carlson - 160
Myers - 98

2011-12:
Carlson - 153
Myers - 70

2012-13:
Carlson - 123
Myers - 58

So far this season:
Carlson - 103
Myers - 63

Now how about we compare the Corsi Rel QoC stats.

So far this season(The season where apparently he's playing great again or something, right?)
Carlson - 1.419
Myers - 0.384

2012-13
Carlson - 0.571
Myers - 0.682

2011-12
Carlson - 1.050
Myers - 0.279

2010-11
Carlson - 1.088
Myers - 0.373

He is more physical though, so there's that. (Not by much though, Carlson has more hits in 2 of the 4 seasons.)
 
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Are you serious? You're the one who almost put Markstrom in his top 10. :biglaugh:

Carlson made Team USA while Bogosian was barely in the discussion. That's a game.set.match right there.



Uh, sure. Carlson has been a top pairing defenseman for over 3 seasons now, and has been a #1 defenseman for the last ~1-1.5 seasons. Myers has been a disappointment since his rookie season.
Oh sorry. I see now that he's been the best defenseman so far this season on the worst team in the league. That definitely pushes him above Carlson. :rolleyes:



Exactly. It's almost as if most people on HF barely watch other teams...:laugh:
You are cute with you little jabs. I asked an honest question and get sarcasm.

Since I am a Sabres fan, Ill try to break down their numbers by year to develop a sense of "who's better"

Year one: Myers scores 48 points, I think 4th on the team, and wins the Calder. Offensive game was great, Defensive game was a little suspect but when your 19 year old Dman scores 48 points you let it fly. Carlson only played in 22 games for the Caps that season.

Year one goes to Myers

Year two: Carlson comes into his own. Scores 37 points for the Caps and bring solid 2 way play. Myers also scores 37 points, starting poorly but then playing extremely well for the second half of the season. In the playoffs in widely regarded as playing the best hockey of his career. Dominates Philly in the Sabre's playoff series. Granted I did not watch Carlson, so I cant state how well/poorly he played in the playoffs. I would give them a tie for this year as both played very well.

Year two: Tie

Year three. Myers has a varying degree of success in this season. He played well, then played poorly, got hurt after playing well again. There really isn't a reason for Myers to be considered better for this season compared to Carlson.

Year three goes to Carlson

Last year. Shortened season. Myers gets hurt (High ankle injury if I remember correctly) and plays poorly for most of the year. Poor situational play and lack of offense lowers Myers' hfboard's status to an all time low.

Short season: Carlson

This year. Carlson and Myers are both enjoying success. Myers' offense is starting to come around, dictating play is now a strength of his. Both Myers and Carlson are scoring right around the same rate (Myers 45 games 15 points, Carlson 50 games 17 points) and both are bringing top level defense. This one goes for a tie.

So Carlson and Myers have had extremely close career comparisons. I don't see how you can say one is better than the other around here. I agree that Carlson gets underrated but the flak Myers gets for his poor season(s) is crazy as well. People are starting to see why he is being praised by Sabres fans lately. His play has been amazing.
 
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The overrating of Karlsson in this thread is so gross.

Yeah the most dynamic defenseman (and one of the most dynamic players) in the game today should barely scratch the top 10 in a re-draft.


Near PPG defencemen are overrated.
 
lots of corrections need to be made to OP's list imo. couple guys too high, lots of guys too low
 
lots of corrections need to be made to OP's list imo. couple guys too high, lots of guys too low
At the time it was made it was pretty spot on.

This is how I would rank the top 10 now:

Stamkos
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Myers
Eberle
Stepan
Bogosian
Josi
Hamonic

Carlson, Henrique and Voynov would follow.
 
How in the world is Josi ahead of Hamonic, Carlson, Bogosian?

Harmonic, Carlosn and Bogosian are all good defensman but Josi is really better than these 3 at the moment.
He started slow, got injured and it took him a few games to get into form again but since than he has been a stud, even better than Weber at some Games.
He looks better than Suter did at the same age and the Milwauke coachingstaff even called him more talented than Suter and Weber were at his age.

He plays 25:57 minutes per Game, tied with Doughty for 6th in TOI/G in the NHL. He plays against the other Teams first lines and plays PP and PK.

He has 6G 14A 20P in 41 Games. 16P in his last 24Games after getting back into form after his injury.

IMO he is the next best dman in the draft after Karlson/Doughty/Pietrangelo
 
Jason Demers 7th rounder?

and Bogosian 3rd overall?

and Nyquist in the 4th?
Just started getting really into hockey, looking back at the draft years is always interesting.
 
Interesting one. Looking forward to seeing some submissions. I don't have one of my own, but I will say, for a draft lauded for its depth back then, this really turned into a disappointing class (albeit a very, very strong one at the top).
 
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1. Stamkos
2. Doughty
3. Pietrangelo
4. Karlsson
5. Eberle
6. Voynov
7. Carlson
8. Myers
9. Josi
10. Nyquist
 
How would your 1st round look?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NHL_Entry_Draft

Notables from past the 1st round:

2nd: Slava Voynov
2nd: Roman Josi
2nd: Justin Schultz
2nd: Derek Stepan
2nd: Travis Hamonic
3rd: Adam Henrique
4th: Gustav Nyquist

Don't have time to make a list now, but you missed some notable late rounders -- e.g.:

6th: Tommy Wingels

If you use this link, it shows NHL stats next to each pick, so it's easier to see who else was missed, etc.: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html
 
Not based on team needs

1 Steven Stamkos
2 Drew Doughty
3 Erik Karlsson
4 Alex Pietrangelo
5 Jordan Eberle
6 John Carlson
7 Derek Stepan
8 Gustav Nyquist
9 Tyler Myers
10 Vyacheslav Voynov
11 Mikkel Boedker
12 Roman Josi
13 Travis Hamonic
14 Zach Bogosian
15 Colin Wilson
16 Tyler Ennis
17 Jason Demers
18 Jake Gardiner
19 Luke Schenn
20 Adam Henrique
21 Joshua Bailey
22 Cody Hodgson
23 Justin Schultz
24 Luca Sbisa
25 Tommy Wingels
26 Zack Smith
27 Braden Holtby
28 Michael Del Zotto
29 Cam Atkinson
30 Michael Stone
 
Not based on team needs

1 Steven Stamkos
2 Drew Doughty
3 Erik Karlsson
4 Alex Pietrangelo
5 Jordan Eberle
6 John Carlson
7 Derek Stepan
8 Gustav Nyquist
9 Tyler Myers
10 Vyacheslav Voynov
11 Mikkel Boedker
12 Roman Josi
13 Travis Hamonic
14 Zach Bogosian
15 Colin Wilson
16 Tyler Ennis
17 Jason Demers
18 Jake Gardiner
19 Luke Schenn
20 Adam Henrique
21 Joshua Bailey
22 Cody Hodgson
23 Justin Schultz
24 Luca Sbisa
25 Tommy Wingels
26 Zack Smith
27 Braden Holtby
28 Michael Del Zotto
29 Cam Atkinson
30 Michael Stone
Brodie should be ahead of every D-man after Bogosion
 
Stamkos
Doughty

Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Eberle

Carlson
Voynov

MDZ
Gardiner
Stepan
Boedker
Myers
Hodgson
Josi, Wilson, Nyquist, Bogo, Ennis, Henrique,Schultz, Atkinson, and Im holding out hope for Lok.

Goaltending has been bleh to this point, Holtby, Markstrom and Allen only guys with some potential. Tokarski and McCollum maybe? Dont really know about them. I really thought Markstrom was the real deal, but never bet on a young goalie.
 
I was a big fan of Wilson, but why would he be higher than henrique, Hodgson or Ennis. Hell probably Gardiner, Schultz and definitely Demers.
 
My Top 5:

1) Stamkos
2) Doughty
3) Karlsson
4) Pietrangelo
5) Myers

Great draft for Defensemen in general, Voynov, Josi, Schultz etc. all went outside the 1st round, impressive.
 
Not based on team needs

1 Steven Stamkos
2 Drew Doughty
3 Erik Karlsson
4 Alex Pietrangelo
5 Jordan Eberle
6 John Carlson
7 Derek Stepan
8 Gustav Nyquist
9 Tyler Myers
10 Vyacheslav Voynov
11 Mikkel Boedker
12 Roman Josi
13 Travis Hamonic
14 Zach Bogosian
15 Colin Wilson
16 Tyler Ennis
17 Jason Demers
18 Jake Gardiner
19 Luke Schenn
20 Adam Henrique
21 Joshua Bailey
22 Cody Hodgson
23 Justin Schultz
24 Luca Sbisa
25 Tommy Wingels
26 Zack Smith
27 Braden Holtby
28 Michael Del Zotto
29 Cam Atkinson
30 Michael Stone

Ennis over Wilson IMO, and Schultz over Demers. Holtby a bit low and Zack Smith is too high; Atkinson is higher than him.

Also, Spurgeon, Calvert, and Weise seem to be missing from a lot of lists.
 
Stamkos
Doughty

Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Eberle

Carlson
Voynov

MDZ
Gardiner
Stepan
Boedker
Myers
Hodgson
Josi, Wilson, Nyquist, Bogo, Ennis, Henrique,Schultz, Atkinson, and Im holding out hope for Lok.

Goaltending has been bleh to this point, Holtby, Markstrom and Allen only guys with some potential. Tokarski and McCollum maybe? Dont really know about them. I really thought Markstrom was the real deal, but never bet on a young goalie.

Myers,Boedker,Josi,Nyquist and Henrique behind MDZ? Why?
 
Stamkos
Doughty

Pietrangelo
Karlsson
Eberle

Carlson
Voynov

MDZ
Gardiner
Stepan
Boedker
Myers
Hodgson
Josi, Wilson, Nyquist, Bogo, Ennis, Henrique,Schultz, Atkinson, and Im holding out hope for Lok.

Goaltending has been bleh to this point, Holtby, Markstrom and Allen only guys with some potential. Tokarski and McCollum maybe? Dont really know about them. I really thought Markstrom was the real deal, but never bet on a young goalie.

At the top I would put Stamkos, Doughty, Petro, and Karlsson all in the top tier...Then a step below to include Eberle and Voynov...Do not see Eberle being in the same class as Petro and Karlsson.
 

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