GDT: #20 - 11/17/17 | RANGERS @ blue jackets | 7:00 - MSG PLUS, NHLN

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He did and it was total bull****. Buchnevich at his worst is better than Vesey at his best. The fact that AV seems to think they're comparable talent levels is insane.

Carp said weeks ago that Vesey was a better hockey player.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I was glad to AV didn’t bench Buchnevich after that penalty. It was a very iffy call. Particularly right after Miller was tripped. Was kind of a turning point there.

He kind of did. He halfway did it.

He had already put him on the third line, and then later in the game AV was rotating the wings between Fast and Grabner and Buchnevich and Desharnais the last number of shifts for the third line.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

†AV inspired†† Jethro Tull in their masterpiece
†† He didn't


Man people really hate AV. Now he's a stowing away in a box car with a jug of wine.

Gumlung.

Gumlung holy shit

 

[Ola]

We played a really good game, but I hate the CBJ. They have underperformed tremendously year after year after year and now has an absolutely SICK depth on that roster. We are talking 14-15 forwards and 7-8 Ds who all can play really well, in good age and so forth.

 

[Ori]

yeah true @Ola , CBJ had a good game. We had good chances in first, and we were outplayed in the 2nd and part of 3rd. I still don`t like the AV lines though.
Hopefully AV do something before next game - he can`t be happy with the current line combinations - we had barely one line working vs Hawks, but I doubt the current Hayes line benefit us this season. Miller`s 3 rd game without pts on David D line.
We struggle to compete 5 v 5 with the current line combinations especially in the top 6 - Miller should get top 6 minutes, not Vesey.

 

[haohmaru]

Not a fun game to watch, that's for sure. Rangers really couldn't break through and all that shot blocking. Holy crap.

 

[Macbanan]

Juggle the lines except KZB. Put Vesey and Desharnais on the fourth line, hard to blame DD for playing like a fourth liner when he's also payed like one.

 

[The S5]

He did and it was total bull****. Buchnevich at his worst is better than Vesey at his best. The fact that AV seems to think they're comparable talent levels is insane.

Not defending AV, but Buch didn't play well last night. He tried something different, which didn't work. My bigger concern is AV's line jiggering will hurt players confidence. Sometimes you just have to write off bad games and put faith in your guys that they will turn it around next game.

 

[The S5]

That is a good save %, but I don't think he is going to keep that going on a consistent basis. Let's face it, he gets out of position fairly often and lets up some juicy rebounds. Couple that with a defensive system that tends to give up too many second chances and its a recipe for disaster.

On the flip side, watching Bob play, the guy is always in position and his rebound control is excellent. He is the only reason the Jackets are winning games. Hank faced 42, but Bob saved all 36.

 

[Leonardo87]

Yeah disappointing game. Really stinks to get shut out but Bob was a wall, and playing on his head. Although think we should of gotten more shots on goal. F’ing blocking shots.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Carp said weeks ago that Vesey was a better hockey player.

'Nuff said

 

[Tob]

Did we put up a fight? In post game interviews, Henrik said something about how it was really close. It doesn't feel that way going through the GTD though.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think people think that Vesey is better than Buchnevich because he was a high profile signing and sort of plays an NA style. I really think that ethnicity matters not necessarily from the standpoint of people disliking Russians but having long standing biases towards grinding NA players. And they see that a higher profile player gets most of his few goals around the net and add to that he's American and they think he's better than the skilled Russian. I think hockey for years has been an exercise in machismo where rooting for brawn rather than skill was a way for people to signal how tough and manly you are. Grit and toughness is for real men, skill is for p***yes. Some people from older generations still think that way.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Vesey was treated like the next big thing during that whole FA frenzy. It's ridiculous.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I can't stand watching this team. I don't even care if AV gets away with winning his share of games, his teams are a ****ing chore to be a fan of.

The last winning streak must have drove you nuts. Luckily for you, everyone is salty again.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I think people think that Vesey is better than Buchnevich because he was a high profile signing and sort of plays an NA style. I really think that ethnicity matters not necessarily from the standpoint of people disliking Russians but having long standing biases towards grinding NA players. And they see that a higher profile player gets most of his few goals around the net and add to that he's American and they think he's better than the skilled Russian. I think hockey for years has been an exercise in machismo where rooting for brawn rather than skill was a way for people to signal how tough and manly you are. Grit and toughness is for real men, skill is for *****es. Some people from older generations still think that way.

For examples, Pavel Bure and Alexei Kovalev did not make their careers being good in the neutral zone [used to be important now only exists for face-off and chipping the puck], defensive zone, penalty kill, and other utility situations such as final minute tight gameplay.

MacTavish took the last face-off for a reason.


Assuming the first scoring line is "playing the best line" in the final minutes of tight games, is total EA Sports shit.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

For examples, Pavel Bure and Alexei Kovalev did not make their careers being good in the neutral zone [used to be important now only exists for face-off and chipping the puck], defensive zone, penalty kill, and other utility situations such as final minute tight gameplay.

MacTavish took the last face-off for a reason.

Being good defensively is important. But I'd rather have a skilled player that can score than a decent defensive guy that can't score. You need good defensive guys too, but if you give me the option unless the team specifically needs a defensive guy and is overflowing with top players, I'll take the defensive guy every time. Vesey is not even good defensively. He's just American and scores most of his few goals around the net.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The thing with Vesey is that he isn't even that good defensively.

 

[RangerBoy]

Both Chicago and Columbus were coming stretches of poor hockey. Torts was freaking out because they lost four in a row, then had two straight bad third periods where they blew leads in each one.

You had to expect major pushback from both teams, especially the Hawks who were embarrassed at home by the Devils. The other teams get paid too.

Lundqvist let up a huge stinker vs Chicago late in the 2nd. He stops that shot, there's a strong chance they walk out of there with at least a point. I know people say things like "It woulda been 7-1 if not for Henrik blah blah blah". That's not the point. He had a lead late in the second and gave up a softee that changed the complexion of the game.

I never expected them to win in Columbus anyway for the aforementioned reason, plus Torts was livid about the bad penalties in the third at the Garden. Henrik from the bits and pieces I saw was amazing. He did his job, but the Jackets were hungrier. They were cornered by their coach and they rewarded him a 60-minute effort.

Their upcoming schedule is a joke and every game is winnable. I get it, other teams are probably saying the same about when they play the mediocre Rangers. But even games at Pittsburgh and Washington shouldn't scare anyone anymore.

OTT
@car
DET
VAN
FLA
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@pit
@Wsh
NJD
DAL
@OTT

This stretch of games lasts until mid-December and will decide whether or not they are for real. If they don't win at least seven or eight of these times, or keep giving up 40+ shots and get outplayed at home against the panthers and Canucks, then you can close the book on the season, or Vigneault. Or both.

The schedule becomes more difficult after that. The Rangers have had a very easy schedule. They are a .500 hockey team. 13 home games out to 20 games. They have one game outside of the eastern time zone in the first 3 months of the season. Chicago. The Rangers needed another 13-4 or 13-2-2 start. They have a west coast trip in January. Another 4 game trip to Winnipeg,Minnesota,Ottawa and Brooklyn. Western Canada in February. A two game trip to Nashville and Dallas. They also need 12-15 wins from their back up goaltender who has not started a game since October 28. He has played less than one period since then. Lundqvist can’t play every game. I know the schedule allows him to play more games than usual but he can not play every game. They can not expect Pavelec to remain sharp barely playing. Lundqvist gets bumped every game. One of these days. He is going to be injured. Hank is 35 going on 36. The Rangers are trying to make up the ground lost with their bad start. Lundqvist will be fumes when they need him for playoffs. That’s if they make the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

I think people think that Vesey is better than Buchnevich because he was a high profile signing and sort of plays an NA style. I really think that ethnicity matters not necessarily from the standpoint of people disliking Russians but having long standing biases towards grinding NA players. And they see that a higher profile player gets most of his few goals around the net and add to that he's American and they think he's better than the skilled Russian. I think hockey for years has been an exercise in machismo where rooting for brawn rather than skill was a way for people to signal how tough and manly you are. Grit and toughness is for real men, skill is for *****es. Some people from older generations still think that way.

There are no people.

Literally just AV and that glue sniffer Cygralis.

I think counting either one as "people" is highly questionable

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Being good defensively is important. But I'd rather have a skilled player that can score than a decent defensive guy that can't score. You need good defensive guys too, but if you give me the option unless the team specifically needs a defensive guy and is overflowing with top players, I'll take the defensive guy every time. Vesey is not even good defensively. He's just American and scores most of his few goals around the net.

Ok so I was right. It was EA Sports logic. I'm not saying you are the only one who uses it all the time.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Carp said weeks ago that Vesey was a better hockey player.

Did he put the crack pipe down?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ok so I was right. It was EA Sports logic. I'm not saying you are the only one who uses it all the time.

Ridiculous. You need both but if you believe that one's a lot harder to come by and more valuable means you're going by EA Sports logic. There's a reason players with 4th line defensive forward upside aren't drafted top 5 or top 10 usually.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Ridiculous. You need both but one's a lot harder to come by and more valuable means you're going by EA Sports logic. There's a reason players with 4th line defensive forward upside aren't drafted top 5 or top 10 usually.

Look IDK what to tell you. I get some of the young kids, but you've been watching for years. How often do 1 way top lines get heavy minutes in tight leads in the last few minutes?

AV might not be the answer, but playing Buchnevich or any similar one way player at that time is just contemporary internet fancy stat narrative.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Look IDK what to tell you. I get some of the young kids, but you've been watching for years. How often do 1 way top lines get heavy minutes in tight leads in the last few minutes?

AV might not be the answer, but playing Buchnevich or any similar one way player at that time is just contemporary internet fancy stat narrative.

And Jimmy Vesey is a regular Bob Gainey. Oh and we weren't even protecting a lead yesterday. And damn them young people and their math? Amirite?