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Speculation: 2 years away. Do you think Matthews accepts a slight raise OR takes us to the cleaners next contract?

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Does Matthews accept slight raise or demands top dollar?

  • He accepts a slight raise to stay in Toronto and spread the cap around to help the team

    Votes: 53 17.2%

  • He takes top dollar because he's earned it. Doesn't care about the cap that's Dubas's problem

    Votes: 257 83.4%
  • Total voters
    308
leafsfan5 said:
Based on what? Contracts signed back in 2010?

The Matthews deal was a simple one. At the time, he was better than Eichel and clearly below McDavid. Eichel signed for 10 x 8 and McDavid for 12.5 x 8

We got Matthews in the middle for cap hit which makes sense, but only at 5 years, not 8. That's a big difference because at 5 years he enters UFA at peak age. And we also gave him top signing bonuses, and gave him a NMC in his final year. He got everything possible at a time when he shouldn't have. A couple rockets, a lindsay and an MVP later he's going to understandably gouge our eyes out
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He is closer to Eichel than McDavid based on CH%, so sure 8 years probably adds a million or more to his cap which they didn't want to do, so that seems fair to me.

Contracts back in 2010 are still valid when there are so few players on Matthews' level, he is a step behind McDavid and two ahead of Eichel.
 
12.5M, slight raise but he's worth it. Also understands that you need money being spread around to build a legitimate contender after the failures of previous seasons.
 
People in the 12s and 13s are setting themselves up for some real disappointment, or to take 'overpayment' shots at the GM, whomever that may be at the time.

That's a similar cap hit% than what he's currently signed for.

Not happening.
 
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kb said:
This is something else. No wonder a lot of the good posters don't post anymore,. they have to wade through page after page of takes like this.
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Lmao, they also have to wade through the pages of Dubas lovers (and haters) sticking to their agendas all day long. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Objectively the Matthews contract was a bad one for us. At a time when his peers signed for 8 years, he signed for 5 while still retaining a high caphit%. Then we also gave him the best cap structure in the NHL (all bonuses), a NMC in his final year, and walked him into UFA at the first possible opportunity. All this at a time when he was elite, but still a ~ppg player. He legitimately signed the best contract an RFA could get

If you don't think he's going to break the bank I don't know what to tell you. He holds all the power and has shown he wants top dollars (understandably)
 
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notbias said:
He is closer to Eichel than McDavid based on CH%, so sure 8 years probably adds a million or more to his cap which they didn't want to do, so that seems fair to me.

Contracts back in 2010 are still valid when there are so few players on Matthews' level, he is a step behind McDavid and two ahead of Eichel.
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It shouldn't add a million or two, though. That would have put him near McDavid money in actual dollars and caphit%. He had done nothing at all at the time to earn that level of money. McDavid had harts, lindsays, 100 point seasons. Matthews didn't
 
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leafsfan5 said:
It shouldn't add a million or two, though. That would have put him near McDavid money in actual dollars and caphit%. He had done nothing at all at the time to earn that level of money. McDavid had harts, lindsays, 100 point seasons. Matthews didn't
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McDavid is likely underpaid, and the cap was supposed to go up, maybe they shouldn't count on that because a global pandemic can happen, but I am sure it was priced in.

Regardless, he had comparables, there are players outside of Eichel and McDavid to compare him to.
 
I'm guessing we're going to have to match the 20% of cap that the Yotes will be offering , lol .
 
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Define "slight raise".

Seriously, I think it's somewhere in the middle. He's going to be looking at something more than MacKinnon's $12.6M. So probably a bit more than a slight raise but I don't see him asking for the absolute ceiling either.

Team discounts aren't in most younger players' vocabularies these days primarily it seems because most have their agents do the negotiating and the talking. And agents, let's be honest, care far more about their commission than any team's cap situation.

(I just noticed the NHL released projections for the cap over the next few years and it could end up in the high 80s fairly soon. In that case, we could see players like Matthews taking advantage in their next deal.)
 
leafsfan5 said:
Lmao, they also have to wade through the pages of Dubas lovers (and haters) sticking to their agendas all day long. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Objectively the Matthews contract was a bad one for us. At a time when his peers signed for 8 years, he signed for 5 while still retaining a high caphit%. Then we also gave him the best cap structure in the NHL (all bonuses), a NMC in his final year, and walked him into UFA at the first possible opportunity. All this at a time when he was elite, but still a ~ppg player. He legitimately signed the best contract an RFA could get

If you don't think he's going to break the bank I don't know what to tell you. He holds all the power and has shown he wants top dollars (understandably)
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His contract didn’t walk him to UFA status at the soonest opportunity possible. That would have been a 4 year deal not 5.
 
notbias said:
He signed a comparable contract to many other high-profile RFAs... go look up CH%, people need to stop looking at dollar amount



Do you think we can fit in Matthews at 14+ and McDavid at 15+? Going to be interesting.
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I think so if they get rid of Tavares and McDavid wanted a change. I think he has a better chance to win in Edmonton, but I would actually cheer him greatly if he wanted to "go home". He seems like a very good guy. It wouldn't hurt me if he won a cup in TO
 
kb said:
This is something else. No wonder a lot of the good posters don't post anymore,. they have to wade through page after page of takes like this.
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MacKinnon was a career-high 63 point player when he signed his post-elc contract. His gm knew... EVERYBODY knew... that he would be an utterly elite player. He just hadn't proven it yet. So a good gm gave him 6.3x6. Matthews was a career high 69 point player when he signed his post elc contract. Everybody also knew that he would be an utterly elite player. And the rookie gm paid him that way, even though he hadn't proven it yet. Our rookie gm paid him the same money (when term is included) as a proven 120 point player. It's the difference between a good gm and bad gm. (And don't mention goals. I had everybody on this forum SCREAM at me that goals don't matter, only points, during all the Pastrnak vs Nylander contract threads... and I DEMAND consistency on that).

Regardless of that, Matthews HAS now proven to be utterly elite. Richards and Harts and other ridiculousness. He's going to demand a f*** ton, and he's earned it. He won't take a team-friendly deal, and I don't expect him to. A rookie gm made an outrageous mistake on the post elc contract, but that has no bearing on what he's worth on his next contract.
 
ACC1224 said:
The entire league will lineup to pay him top dollar. He’ll write his own ticket here or elsewhere.
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Is the entire league gonna clear 14 million in cap space when they don’t even know if he wants to sign with them?
 
I wouldn't expect any major discounts from Matthews for any team, and that includes the Leafs.

He and his agent will likely have a firm idea of what he's worth and it'll be up to teams.to meet that. The fact the Leafs can offer an 8th year and whatever bonuses he wants may knock a bit off the aav if he wants a longer term deal.

And for folks making predictions, focus on cap% not the real dollar value. The cap is expected to undergo a big jump around 2025/26

And when he does sign that extension (and I do expect he will opt to stay in Toronto) I'll be smiling wider than anyone. He's worth every penny.
 
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He will become the highest paid player in the league and his cap hit % > 17% IMO

Not signing him to the 8 years previously the biggest mistake in history of the Leafs.

There is no guarantee that contract will even be with the Leafs.
 
He’s gonna demand top dollar and will probably choose whatever team gives him that. Love to be wrong tho.
 
If he's smart, he gets as much as he is deemed to be worth, just like he did last time and just like most players do.

So basically the same as what every single user on this website would do in his place.

I don't see him leaving the leafs though, no reason to
 
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Don't be shocked if he signs for 2/3 years.

He's going to try the lebron way of contracts to maximize money.
 
It's really up to Matthews on what he wants his cap hit to be at this point. He may want to be the highest player in the NHL or he may want to take less to win, we don't know and honestly I'm fine with either. He's likely to finish his career as one of the best goal scorers the league has ever seen, so it's really up to him on what he wants to do.
 
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Razz said:
It's really up to Matthews on what he wants his cap hit to be at this point. He may want to be the highest player in the NHL or he may want to take less to win, we don't know and honestly I'm fine with either. He's likely to finish his career as one of the best goal scorers the league has ever seen, so it's really up to him on what he wants to do.
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Yep.

And the Leafs will give him whatever he wants.

It's up to him.
 
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