Proposal: 2 Leaf Deals (ANA, WIN)
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I wouldn't move JVR in a realistic move for Fowler. I like Trouba, but wouldn't move Gardiner + for him
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Two 2nds is much too steep to clear $2M.
Fowler + Stoner + 2nd for JVR...you guys move Hunwick elsewhere for a pick.
Fowler + Stoner + 2nd for JVR...you guys move Hunwick elsewhere for a pick.
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Not trading Fowler and a pair of 2nd round picks for JVR and a defenseman even with Stoner being traded away as well.
Would probably do the Anaheim one. Those 2 2nds add a lot of value.
Would not do the Winnipeg one. Not a hard decision either.
Would not do the Winnipeg one. Not a hard decision either.
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While I do believe Trouba is better, his contract status and demands are unknown, so right now Gardiner holds more value dependng on Trouba's contract, but Trouba is the better player.
I wouldn't do the Winnipeg deal, but I would think about the Ducks deal.
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Leafs roster after that would look like...
Michalek-Kadri-Komarov
Leivo-Bozak-Marner
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Martin-Holland-Brown
Rielly-Trouba
Fowler-Zaitsev
Marincin-Carrick
Corrado/Polak
So yes, the Leafs would have to pull the trigger lol
Yeahhhh, with less than 48 to go before puck drop, I have to think that's about as generous an offer as Anaheim is going to get. It should be glaringly apparent by now that no team is willing to help the Ducks out of their current predicament, and they'll need to pay a substantial penalty in terms of either adding (Bieksa, Stoner) or subtracting (Fowler) assets to clear room.
Ducks proposal is fine. Trouba one is terrible for WPG. Absolutely terrible. Just another leaf fan nearly quadrupling the worth of Jake Gardiner. Oh and Kapanen for that matter
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Jake Gardiner is given all the offensive opportunities in the world and maxes out at 30 points. His plus minus is a high negative every season despite playing weaker competition and being deployed in offensive situations. He has somehow managed to amass a -38 rating the last 2 seasons despite this.
Possession wise he is very bad. His possession last year was below average on the worst team in hockey. He simply isn't anywhere near as good as leaf fans claim and I have every single statistical metric to back it up.
Don't worry though, the saving grace for leaf fans has been for many years... is the upside gardiner still holds. Guess what guys he's 26 now. There is no more upside. Stop wishing and dreaming. You will always be fooled by a flashy skater who appears to have the tools. But his hockey IQ and decision making will forever limit him at the defense position at this level.
Possession wise he is very bad. His possession last year was below average on the worst team in hockey. He simply isn't anywhere near as good as leaf fans claim and I have every single statistical metric to back it up.
Don't worry though, the saving grace for leaf fans has been for many years... is the upside gardiner still holds. Guess what guys he's 26 now. There is no more upside. Stop wishing and dreaming. You will always be fooled by a flashy skater who appears to have the tools. But his hockey IQ and decision making will forever limit him at the defense position at this level.
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Your obvious irrational hate for Gardiner makes it hard to take you seriously here.
Possession stat last year was 53% for him, very good.
He was also a +64 in scoring chances for and against
He was also a +15 for high danger scoring chances for and against
You just don't know what you're talking about here.
What? Jake Gardiner is consistently one of the better posession players on the Leafs. Feel free to check where he stacks up against other Leafs http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016.html If you can back up your statement with some facts, I'm interested to see what you have. Not to mention that flaming his point totals is pretty funny when compared to Trouba.
Trouba is a good player and I want him on the Leafs, but you clearly are incorrect when it comes to Gardiner.
Gardiner is being seriously underrated here.
But he's still not better than Trouba, and Kapenan is of no use to the Jets. They have a similar player in Dano in the AHL because they have no room for him.
But he's still not better than Trouba, and Kapenan is of no use to the Jets. They have a similar player in Dano in the AHL because they have no room for him.
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It might require a little tweak here and there but all around a reasonable proposal.
Leafs fans (generally, not all) overvalue JVR.
Ducks fans (again generally) overvalue Fowler so that is a good fit
Gardiner does not = Trouba but he is a good fit for our needs. We don't need Kapanen but he is an asset with value as are the 2nds (also not really what we need).
Leafs fans (generally, not all) overvalue JVR.
Ducks fans (again generally) overvalue Fowler so that is a good fit
Gardiner does not = Trouba but he is a good fit for our needs. We don't need Kapanen but he is an asset with value as are the 2nds (also not really what we need).
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The first deal only sheds around $1.725 million or so for Anaheim. Doubt that's enough a Spooner for Fowler deal makes far more sense that sheds around $3 million extra for both Lindholm and Fowler and deal around JVR for Fowler doubt that it works even with Stoner as a add in. The OP on the first deal doesn't really work out well for Anaheim even with Stoner as a throw in. Doubt Lou has any interest in adding Stoner to the blueline.
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Okay, so digesting this series of trades, it falls like this:
Toronto In:
Fowler
Stoner
Trouba
TOR 2017 2nd
Toronto Out:
JVR
Hunwick
Gardiner
Kapanen
ANA 2017 2nd (in and out)
OTT/SJS 2017 2nd
Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel. If the Trouba trade was isolated to itself, I'd say no, combining it with the Anaheim trade however isn't so bad.
I don't particularly care for how our offense takes a hit with the loss of JVR, and future offense with the removal of Kapanen from our prospect pool (who by the way, continues to be underrated). Stoner seems like he's pretty useless, and wouldn't add anything we're lacking, he's there for cap hit I'm sure.
The defense however, man does that get quite the boost. You solve our top four of our defense now and for the future and give Rielly a partner who's got good potential himself.
End of the day I think I say yes. The offense can be more easily solved than the top 4 of defense.
In the end, the lineup is:
Michalek-Kadri-Komarov
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Rychel-Bozak-Marner
Martin-Holland-Brown
Stoner
Rielly-Trouba
Fowler-Zaitsev
Polak-Carrick
Good proposal OP. A good amount of thought went into this one.
