Proposal: 2 Canucks Trades in a lost season

[EP to Kuzmenko]

This season is pretty much lost. Canucks should fire Green, Baumgartner and King. Promote Shaw to interim HC and then hire 2 assistants that Julien (rumored coach they want) wants and then Hire Julien after the Olympics. JB and Weisbrod should get fired, hire a real President, a new GM and AGM. Now for the trades.

To Wild

Miller (50% retained from Canucks, 50% retained from Arizona)

To Arizona

Canucks 5th round pick(does it need to be 4th for about 1.3 retained?)

To Canucks

Rossi, Bjugstadt, 2022 2nd

Wild fans will talk about not wanting to give up Rossi, but you guys have a short window before buyouts cripple cap for a short period, Rossi is a season away and not guaranteed to be a difference maker as a rookie. Miller gives you a real shot to go deep with how the team is playing, and this trade strengthens the team as a whole.

2nd trade

To NYR

Horvat

The Canucks

Schneider, Chytil, 2022 3rd

Chytil replaces Horvat as 2c in a lost season and has potential, Schneider adds a RHD prospect with serious top 4 upside.

If Horvat is likely to extend after next season I would do that instead of trading, but if there is a strong chance he walks, trade now for maximum value.

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[Bazeek]

There is no universe where the Wild trade Rossi for Miller.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Deal to both.

 

[Sota Popinski]

So not only do we give up Rossi, we add a quality starter and a 2nd? 1.5 years of Miller isn't worth that IMO.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Wild say no

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Wild say no. Rangers might say yes.

 

[heisenbergsitti]

You aren't getting Rossi no matter what. You are dreaming. Bjustad also blocks any trade. Vancouver fans acting like JT miller is eichel who Minnesota wouldn't even give up Rossi for

 

[Djp]

This season is pretty much lost. Canucks should fire Green, Baumgartner and King. Promote Shaw to interim HC and then hire 2 assistants that Julien (rumored coach they want) wants and then Hire Julien after the Olympics. JB and Weisbrod should get fired, hire a real President, a new GM and AGM. Now for the trades.

To Wild

Miller (50% retained from Canucks, 50% retained from Arizona)

To Arizona

Canucks 5th round pick(does it need to be 4th for about 1.3 retained?)

To Canucks

Rossi, Bjugstadt, 2022 2nd

Wild fans will talk about not wanting to give up Rossi, but you guys have a short window before buyouts cripple cap for a short period, Rossi is a season away and not guaranteed to be a difference maker as a rookie. Miller gives you a real shot to go deep with how the team is playing, and this trade strengthens the team as a whole.

2nd trade

To NYR

Horvat

The Canucks

Schneider, Chytil, 2022 3rd

Chytil replaces Horvat as 2c in a lost season and has potential, Schneider adds a RHD prospect with serious top 4 upside.

If Horvat is likely to extend after next season I would do that instead of trading, but if there is a strong chance he walks, trade now for maximum value.

arizona will not retain that much fir that length fir a crap return. They have only 1 retain left.


Teams aren’t giving up a top half 1st round pick fir a rental.

 

[tgo0]

The value of the deals are way off imo but why would Arizona tie up their last retention spot for a nothing return? Would think auctioning that spot off makes the most sense and no way does a 4th do the trick.

 

[blankall]

Teams are not giving up top prospects or very high picks for forwards in their late 20s who are soon to be UFAs.

Could see a contender offering up their late round 1st++ for Miller though. Those pluses are 2/3rd rounders and B prospects.

 

[Kupo]

To NYR

Horvat

The Canucks

Schneider, Chytil, 2022 3rd

Chytil replaces Horvat as 2c in a lost season and has potential, Schneider adds a RHD prospect with serious top 4 upside.

If Horvat is likely to extend after next season I would do that instead of trading, but if there is a strong chance he walks, trade now for maximum value.

Wild say no. Rangers might say yes.

NY passes. Rangers won’t have the space to extend Horvat. They’re not giving up Schneider for a rental.

 

[AHLdepth]

So wait, other than the obvious "Rossi is a non-starter" part of that deal. Why would the Canucks retain half, and then pay a a draft pick for further retention? If Min wanted that much retained they should be chucking in the extra pick no?

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

NY passes. Rangers won’t have the space to extend Horvat. They’re not giving up Schneider for a rental.

Horvat would be for the rest of this season and next. That isn't a rental. Schneider is behind Fox, Trouba and Lundkvist on the right side. Trading him makes sense to strengthen the forward group for 2 playoff runs. And if they can extend him somehow, even better.

Since Wild fans see Rossi as a non starter in any trade. Could be swapped with Boldy and Bjugstadt could be changed to something else. We could also go Fiala + 1st and then flip Fiala at TDL or keep him.

 

[Bazeek]

Horvat would be for the rest of this season and next. That isn't a rental. Schneider is behind Fox, Trouba and Lundkvist on the right side. Trading him makes sense to strengthen the forward group for 2 playoff runs. And if they can extend him somehow, even better.

Since Wild fans see Rossi as a non starter in any trade. Could be swapped with Boldy and Bjugstadt could be changed to something else. We could also go Fiala + 1st and then flip Fiala at TDL or keep him.

Boldy's just as much of a non-starter as Rossi.

Fiala+ is probably something they'd do, but a 1st is likely too rich.

 

[Cogburn]

Huge pass for this Canucks fan.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Boldy's just as much of a non-starter as Rossi.

Fiala+ is probably something they'd do, but a 1st is likely too rich.

The difference between Fiala and Miller is a 1st. Also, to fans Rossi is a non starter, but Miller easily has that value currently with no retention needed.

 

[AKL]

The difference between Fiala and Miller is a 1st. Also, to fans Rossi is a non starter, but Miller easily has that value currently with no retention needed.

The difference between Fiala and Miller is not a 1st, and Rossi is a non-starter to the Minnesota GM as well.

I don't really care what other teams are going to give up, but if you want that type of deal, go talk to them. Minnesota isn't going to give you what you want.

 

[Kupo]

Horvat would be for the rest of this season and next. That isn't a rental. Schneider is behind Fox, Trouba and Lundkvist on the right side. Trading him makes sense to strengthen the forward group for 2 playoff runs. And if they can extend him somehow, even better.

Rangers will have about 10M in cap space next year with Strome and Rooney as UFA’s and Kakko, Blais, Gauthier and Georgiev as RFA’s. They can’t afford Horvat unless there’s serious retention.

Even with retention, the dman they will move is Lundkvist, not Schneider. Quote me on this. Schneider is Trouba’s replacement. We don’t have a dmen of his ilk on the right side in our system.

 

[Bazeek]

The difference between Fiala and Miller is a 1st. Also, to fans Rossi is a non starter, but Miller easily has that value currently with no retention needed.

If they can get a Fiala-caliber forward and a 1st I strongly endorse them doing so. Just not from Minnesota.

 

[heisenbergsitti]

The difference between Fiala and Miller is a 1st. Also, to fans Rossi is a non starter, but Miller easily has that value currently with no retention needed.

According to Canucks fans like yourself, Miller is worth more than eichel, which Minnesota refused to give up matt boldy, or Rossi for

 

[Drake1588]

Rossi? Nice try. My guess is that Wild fans will say this guy is all but unavailable. I don't think the OP's attempt to paint a picture of a narrow contention window will fly either.

 

[McJedi]

JT Miller with no retention to Minnesota for a 2022 1st (which looks like one in the mid to late 20s so not particularly valuable), a 2023 2nd (assume 50th OA value) and Addison (R shot, but smaller puck moving type).

 

[thestonedkoala]

The issues Minnesota is going to have with the cap is grossly exaggerated. More so, guys like Rossi is why they are grossly exaggerated.

 

[AKL]

JT Miller with no retention to Minnesota for a 2022 1st (which looks like one in the mid to late 20s so not particularly valuable), a 2023 2nd (assume 50th OA value) and Addison (R shot, but smaller puck moving type).

Yeah, no, and it's actually worse that you switched it from a 3rd to a 2nd because you didn't think 1st and Addison was enough.

 

[McJedi]

Yeah, no, and it's actually worse that you switched it from a 3rd to a 2nd because you didn't think 1st and Addison was enough.

I don’t. A first isn’t a first like it would be from a lesser team. A first when it transfers at ~27th OA isn’t particularly valuable. It’s pretty much a second round value. Addison is a B / B+ level prospect. Profiles as a 4-5 type. He’s not all that valuable on his own either. Nor is a ~50th OA pick in 2023. Its three kinda valuable pieces for one really valuable asset.

TJ Miller is a 1st line player for Minnesota and he’s got another year on his deal. He’s going to be pretty expensive to acquire.