Post-Game Talk: #2 - 10/06/18 | RANGERS @ sabres | 7:00 - MSG

[Inferno]

Unpopular thought...staal wasn't nearly as bad today as game 1

 

[aufheben]

Can you people please just use the ignore function?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Things are done very slowly in this organeyezation. Quinn himself is showing some red flags so far, and his lack of judgement by keeping Ruff around is pretty sad.

I think your opinion is completely wrong and the problems you're seeing are exaggerated.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

you are very sure?

A look at assistant coach candidates for the Rangers

Assisting Quinn: Predicting the Rangers coaching staff - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

So two random guys suggested it and you thought it was confirmed information?

 

[Fataldogg]

For the 500th time, he has a full NTC and has stated he does not want a trade.

If he keeps playing well and loses most of his starts, he will change his mind.

There are several teams Lundqvist can turn into legitimate contenders if he waived his NTC.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Unpopular thought...staal wasn't nearly as bad today as game 1

even more unpopular thought: he wasn't bad in game 1 either.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Poor Buffalo...

A game like that, against us, from Hutton basically confirms he's a backup.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

So two random guys suggested it and you thought it was confirmed information?

I did not think Quinn would be dumb enough to keep a guy under whom the defense fell completely apart. I was wrong.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Et tu, Brute?
I don't ruff is intentionally making them play bad defense so the head coaches can get fired, im pretty sure its just he's a bad coach along with us not having a lot of talent on the backend. I mean look how bad of a tire fire his defense was in Dallas despite having a top dman in John Klingberg who is like 100 times better then any dman we currently have.

Under AV he could have, because he knew if AV gets fired he might get a chance to get temporary or long term position. Remember how bad Rangers started last season? AV was like a loss away from getting fired. Then all of a sudden they start winning in November.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Not gonna lie, after these last two games, I'm looking forward to seeing the mouth return just to call out Neal Stionk. Not bc I hate Neal's play. Just...idk...the predictability of it.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Not gonna lie, after these last two games, I'm looking forward to seeing the mouth return just to call out Neal Stionk. Not bc I hate Neal's play. Just...idk...the predictability of it.

I don't know what to make of it outside of 3 rd paring until he gets more experience.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

yes, according to quick search: Assisting Quinn: Predicting the Rangers coaching staff - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

A look at assistant coach candidates for the Rangers

Well, you’re right about one thing: thats a quick search. That’s a blog speculating about the posssible staff.

Here is from Brooks after the coaching staff was actually announced :

The plan calls for Oliver and Ruff to accompany Quinn behind the bench while Brown will be upstairs. Brown and Ruff will work with the defense. Ruff, who along with goaltending coach Benoit Allaire survived the purge that cost Vigneault and assistants Scott Arniel and Darryl Williams their jobs, will be responsible for the penalty kill, while Oliver and Brown will share responsibility for the power play.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/rangers-makeover-continues-with-two-rookie-coaching-hires/

Brown upstairs and Oliver and Ruff on the bench.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Well, you’re right about one thing: thats a quick search. That’s a blog speculating about the posssible staff.

Here is from Brooks after the coaching staff was actually announced :


https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/rangers-makeover-continues-with-two-rookie-coaching-hires/

Brown upstairs and Oliver and Ruff on the bench.

regardless, if Rangers Management was smart they would not have kept Ruff, but I guess they wanted to save some money and kept him around, bad mistake, will do more harm than good.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Season going EXACTLY how we want it to so far. Lose lose lose. Hughes Hughes Hughes.

 

[Ori]

We need to have short memory - a back to back game already tomorrow vs CAR and maybe Quinn can surprise us with a good result!

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

regardless, if Rangers Management was smart they would not have kept Ruff, but I guess they wanted to save some money and kept him around, bad mistake, will do more harm than good.

I mean it makes sense to keep a veteran coach on the bench when you have a rookie NHL head coach and other inexperienced coaches on staff. I guess we have to give it more than two games to see how it works.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Dallas got themselves a ridiculous coaching staff Montgomery AND Bowness AND Todd Nelson as well as Stu Barnes. We got a bunch of leftover crap including 1 guy that never coach and another guy who is largely responsible for last year's collapse.

 

[bobbop]

This season will age EVERYONE by 15 years.

As someone who doesn’t have 15 years guaranteed, I have to tell you that what I saw of the game tonight (I missed the second period) was somewhat heartening. I can handle losing as long as the effort is good and the coaching is aggressive. I know we are short on talent. I want to win now but I am realistic.

I just hope that talent is coming. Quickly.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I mean it makes sense to keep a veteran coach on the bench when you have a rookie NHL head coach and other inexperienced coaches on staff. I guess we have to give it more than two games to see how it works.

it makes even more sense to hire an experienced coach instead of David Oliver who has no coaching experience.

 

[bobbop]

Meh, they were 12th in the league on the PK last year with basically the same roster.

No Nash. No Grabner.

 

[Irishguy42]

As someone who doesn’t have 15 years guaranteed, I have to tell you that what I saw of the game tonight (I missed the second period) was somewhat heartening. I can handle losing as long as the effort is good and the coaching is aggressive. I know we are short on talent. I want to win now but I am realistic.

I just hope that talent is coming. Quickly.

Productive loses. Loses are fine in a rebuild as long as they are productive.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Unpopular thought...staal wasn't nearly as bad today as game 1

He wasn't, he was an abomination in game 1.

He was still pretty bad today.

 

[bobbop]

First 10 games really don't matter...it takes time for a team, a young team, to get with a new coach. And honestly the next 10 may not tell the story either

This.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can someone explain to me where this horrible defense was today? I can't believe what I'm reading. PK is not the same thing as defense. They barely got zone time and chances 5 on 5. I must be losing my mind. We've played far worse defense with far better personnel. Despite the 6 2 on 1s in the first game, I thought the D was pretty good too. If anything it shows how poorly AV coached defense and Quinn so far is doing an excellent job with subpar personnel. I'm far more worried about our offense.

BTW, I don't always agree with @Machinehead but he brought up a decent point earlier. I wonder how we'd look with Quinn and actual talent like we did before the rebuild.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

regardless, if Rangers Management was smart they would not have kept Ruff, but I guess they wanted to save some money and kept him around, bad mistake, will do more harm than good.

Are you really complaining about the defense in a game where they didn’t give up an even-strength goal?