Proposal: 1st OA for 2nd OA

[Patty Ice]

Chicago might want Misa and if Islander take Schaeffer then SJ takes Misa, Chicago is left out

Definitely but I'm looking at the angle of the Sharks wanting to get Schaefer. Your scenario would work out in the Sharks favor as it would leave them with Schaefer if Chicago leapfrogs to 1OA to take Misa.

The feeling I get (based on nothing except maybe cope) is that there is a real possibility the Isles are leaning center so the Sharks don't need to make a move as the Isles only other real option is Chicago without the chance of losing out on Misa or Hagens.

If I'm Grier, I'd offer Halttunen as a courtesy so they can get something more if that is the Isles true intentions. I'd rather gamble before I offer more than that.

 

[boredmale]

Definitely but I'm looking at the angle of the Sharks wanting to get Schaefer. Your scenario would work out in the Sharks favor as it would leave them with Schaefer if Chicago leapfrogs to 1OA to take Misa.

The feeling I get (based on nothing except maybe cope) is that there is a real possibility the Isles are leaning center so the Sharks don't need to make a move as the Isles only other real option is Chicago without the chance of losing out on Misa or Hagens.

If I'm Grier, I'd offer Halttunen as a courtesy so they can get something more if that is the Isles true intentions. I'd rather gamble before I offer more than that.

Personally as an Islanders fan I take Schaeffer unless somebody gives me a good offer. Way I look at it is Either Chicago and SJ can pay a premium price to pick one or split the costs get the guy they want(I assume SJ wants Schaeffer and Chicago Misa) and have Islander take Hagens 3rd

Basically unless SJ is happy with Misa(or whoever else they will pick) and Chicago is ok with whoever is left, then best bet is to find a way to move up. I don't think the Islanders price would be sky high if both decide to split the costs

All that being said if SJ doesn't want to give up draft picks, we always have a couple of contracts we may want to dump that I would put the value at a late first/early 2nd

 

[Patty Ice]

Personally as an Islanders fan I take Schaeffer unless somebody gives me a good offer. Way I look at it is Either Chicago and SJ can pay a premium price to pick one or split the costs get the guy they want(I assume SJ wants Schaeffer and Chicago Misa) and have Islander take Hagens 3rd

Basically unless SJ is happy with Misa(or whoever else they will pick) and Chicago is ok with whoever is left, then best bet is to find a way to move up. I don't think the Islanders price would be sky high if both decide to split the costs

All that being said if SJ doesn't want to give up draft picks, we always have a couple of contracts we may want to dump that I would put the value at a late first/early 2nd

I think the Sharks happily take Misa and it might work out better for them in the end.

Celebrini and Smith have shown to have amazing chemistry on and off the ice and by drafting Misa to be the 2C keeps them together. Misa also just happened to display as nice of chemistry with another top Sharks prospect Chernyshov so that only furthers the pro Misa pick.

While I do think Schaefer is a bigger need pick and could be the better player, Misa is one hell of a consolation and one Grier doesn't NEED to consider giving anything up to get Schaefer. Misa's worth is there in spades for the Sharks and they have plenty of draft capital to continue to build a d corp even if it's devoid of a potential 1D guy.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Personally as an Islanders fan I take Schaeffer unless somebody gives me a good offer. Way I look at it is Either Chicago and SJ can pay a premium price to pick one or split the costs get the guy they want(I assume SJ wants Schaeffer and Chicago Misa) and have Islander take Hagens 3rd

Basically unless SJ is happy with Misa(or whoever else they will pick) and Chicago is ok with whoever is left, then best bet is to find a way to move up. I don't think the Islanders price would be sky high if both decide to split the costs

All that being said if SJ doesn't want to give up draft picks, we always have a couple of contracts we may want to dump that I would put the value at a late first/early 2nd

I think the highest offer I'd personally be willing to make for the pick is #2+[prospect other than Dickinson/Chernyshov]+[one of Dallas 1st/SJ 2nd/Ottawa 2nd depending on the caliber of prospect the Isles chose]+taking Duclair back, which I feel like is a more than reasonable offer. If the Isles like Schaefer that much more than Misa or Hagens that they'd turn that offer down, then I think you just have to call it and take Misa at 2. Just my two cents.

 

[boredmale]

I think the highest offer I'd personally be willing to make for the pick is #2+[prospect other than Dickinson/Chernyshov]+[one of Dallas 1st/SJ 2nd/Ottawa 2nd depending on the caliber of prospect the Isles chose]+taking Duclair back, which I feel like is a more than reasonable offer. If the Isles like Schaefer that much more than Misa or Hagens that they'd turn that offer down, then I think you just have to call it and take Misa at 2. Just my two cents.

It would be really sweet getting the Oilers 2026 pick. I might do that straight up without anything else, even getting Chicago in on the deal so we get more goodies. lol

 

[Juxtaposer]

It would be really sweet getting the Oilers 2026 pick. I might do that straight up without anything else, even getting Chicago in on the deal so we get more goodies. lol

I'd be open to giving you the Edmonton 2026 1st, but I'd definitely value it more than any of the picks I listed. If the package was #2, Edmonton 2026 1st, [prospect] for #1 and Duclair, what's the prospect that would make it fair in your eyes?

(This is obviously all academic and I doubt anything happens IRL, but it's been fun to discuss this stuff with Isles fans for the most part.)

 

[boredmale]

I'd be open to giving you the Edmonton 2026 1st, but I'd definitely value it more than any of the picks I listed. If the package was #2, Edmonton 2026 1st, [prospect] for #1 and Duclair, what's the prospect that would make it fair in your eyes?

(This is obviously all academic and I doubt anything happens IRL, but it's been fun to discuss this stuff with Isles fans for the most part.)

Don't even need the prospect, especially if we can turn around and get something of value out of Chicago in which case I would say you don't even need to pick up Duclair(unless you want him for "free")

 

[Juxtaposer]

Don't even need the prospect, especially if we can turn around and get something of value out of Chicago in which case I would say you don't even need to pick up Duclair(unless you want him for "free")

#2+Edmonton 1st? Sealed and stamped from me.

 

[miscs75]

#2+Edmonton 1st? Sealed and stamped from me.

You don’t have the Edmonton 1st, that’s a 2nd from Edmonton currently.

*just checked and it’s t12 protected or else it transfers to 2027. Not interested in a 2027 1st over 2026 personally.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You don’t have the Edmonton 1st, that’s a 2nd from Edmonton currently.

*just checked and it’s t12 protected or else it transfers to 2027. Not interested in a 2027 1st over 2026 personally.

You think Edmonton is going to be a bottom-12 team next year? The protection is just in case, but I don't see any way it's triggered.

 

[miscs75]

You think Edmonton is going to be a bottom-12 team next year? The protection is just in case, but I don't see any way it's triggered.

Just more so that if it did go to 2027 I’d pass personally. Not saying Edmonton would be a bottom 12 team.

 

[boredmale]

Just more so that if it did go to 2027 I’d pass personally. Not saying Edmonton would be a bottom 12 team.

Way I look at it if Islanders can build draft capital for 2026 or even 2027 it might help us if something pops up say on July 2 where a team wants to get rid of a player to free up cash but that player does have some value. SO Edmonton's pick would be beneficial, even with that bottom 12 protection

 

[Juxtaposer]

Just more so that if it did go to 2027 I’d pass personally. Not saying Edmonton would be a bottom 12 team.

Right, but it's not going to get deferred to 2027, so what's the problem?

 

[miscs75]

Way I look at it if Islanders can build draft capital for 2026 or even 2027 it might help us if something pops up say on July 2 where a team wants to get rid of a player to free up cash but that player does have some value. SO Edmonton's pick would be beneficial, even with that bottom 12 protection

Personally I don’t want to go and flip those picks for another teams cap dumps while having 3/4 of the current roster and no real escape any time soon from a few of them. If this team can move out some of the Lou deals first then it’s worth it but not clogging up the salary cap with more Duclair/Engvall/Mayfield type deals to help another team out of their cap issues.

Right, but it's not going to get deferred to 2027, so what's the problem?

Just the point. If it’s a 2027 pick, no if it’s 2026 I’m interested.

 

[boredmale]

Personally I don’t want to go and flip those picks for another teams cap dumps while having 3/4 of the current roster and no real escape any time soon from a few of them. If this team can move out some of the Lou deals first then it’s worth it but not clogging up the salary cap with more Duclair/Engvall/Mayfield type deals to help another team out of their cap issues.

Not cap dumps but players that have positive value but for whatever reason are freed up come July 2. Sort of like when Ryan O'Reilly was up for trade from Buffalo a day or 2 after free agency

 

[miscs75]

Not cap dumps but players that have positive value but for whatever reason are freed up come July 2. Sort of like when Ryan O'Reilly was up for trade from Buffalo a day or 2 after free agency

Positive value, I’m all for it but I’d like to see them figure out how to move out a few of those contracts first and then start to restructure the remainder of the roster.

 

[seafoam]

Only took a few hours for Isles fans to get greedy as f***, I see.

Nice try.


I adore Zayne but that's going to be a hard no for me.

I have never ever seen the OP on the Islanders board. And I’ve been here for almost 15 years.

 

[BillR10]

I think the Sharks happily take Misa and it might work out better for them in the end.

Celebrini and Smith have shown to have amazing chemistry on and off the ice and by drafting Misa to be the 2C keeps them together. Misa also just happened to display as nice of chemistry with another top Sharks prospect Chernyshov so that only furthers the pro Misa pick.

While I do think Schaefer is a bigger need pick and could be the better player, Misa is one hell of a consolation and one Grier doesn't NEED to consider giving anything up to get Schaefer. Misa's worth is there in spades for the Sharks and they have plenty of draft capital to continue to build a d corp even if it's devoid of a potential 1D guy.

That's why I'm hoping the sharks stand pat and just take Misa unless someone jumps them. Those 2 pairs with Eklund/Musty on their lefts would be nice

 

[Surfer Dude]

Personally as an Islanders fan I take Schaeffer unless somebody gives me a good offer. Way I look at it is Either Chicago and SJ can pay a premium price to pick one or split the costs get the guy they want(I assume SJ wants Schaeffer and Chicago Misa) and have Islander take Hagens 3rd

Basically unless SJ is happy with Misa(or whoever else they will pick) and Chicago is ok with whoever is left, then best bet is to find a way to move up. I don't think the Islanders price would be sky high if both decide to split the costs

All that being said if SJ doesn't want to give up draft picks, we always have a couple of contracts we may want to dump that I would put the value at a late first/early 2nd

Sharks are one of the few teams that would take on contract dumps especially on defense to move up, were you thinking Mayfield/Pelech or? This would help you guys pay Dobson.

 

[miscs75]

Sharks are one of the few teams that would take on contract dumps especially on defense to move up, were you thinking Mayfield/Pelech or? This would help you guys pay Dobson.

Pelech and Mayfield I’m sure are both available pending they’d agree to go to SJ. Damn NTC.

 

[boredmale]

Sharks are one of the few teams that would take on contract dumps especially on defense to move up, were you thinking Mayfield/Pelech or? This would help you guys pay Dobson.

I don't speak for Islanders management but I think if we need to free up capspace Duclair is probably #1 on the list simply because he doesn't seem to fit on the roster. Engvall can be useful but caphit wise is slightly overpaid and the contract term is what makes him expendable.

In the case of both guys you mentioned not sure Islanders would actively try to get rid of them but might be open to trading them in a "neutral" trade for future considerations. Simple fact is if you get rid of them they would need to be replaced.

I am not sure Islanders will have many cap issues but if they did Pageau(1 year left on the deal) is probably the odd man out. I think Islander can get some minor value for him, especially if a team was willing to pick him up and eat half his salary then turn around and trade him for better value. Islanders already lost Nelson(6M) and not exactly sure what Palmerri's status is but even if we resign him it probably will be for less than what we did last year(5M)

 

[Surfer Dude]

I don't speak for Islanders management but I think if we need to free up capspace Duclair is probably #1 on the list simply because he doesn't seem to fit on the roster. Engvall can be useful but caphit wise is slightly overpaid and the contract term is what makes him expendable.

In the case of both guys you mentioned not sure Islanders would actively try to get rid of them but might be open to trading them in a "neutral" trade for future considerations. Simple fact is if you get rid of them they would need to be replaced.

I am not sure Islanders will have many cap issues but if they did Pageau(1 year left on the deal) is probably the odd man out. I think Islander can get some minor value for him, especially if a team was willing to pick him up and eat half his salary then turn around and trade him for better value. Islanders already lost Nelson(6M) and not exactly sure what Palmerri's status is but even if we resign him it probably will be for less than what we did last year(5M)

In response to both above re cap dump, all the guys mentioned has full or partial NTC next year. LouL contracts lengths for overpaid guys like Duclair, Mayfield handcuff the next GM from winning or full rebuild for the next GM which puts you guys at the borderline playoffs level. Ideally I'd stay at 1OA for Schaefer as the best player and do full teardown rebuild with McKenna/Dupont as generational talents. But with the a lot of contracts with NTC on the books until 2029/30, you can't really tank. Retooling seems like the only option even with the rising cap which you'll need to replace the expiring contracts. Drafting a forward like Misa can help you compete faster starting at LW with less risk and resign Dobson. Your top 3D at least will be set long term with room for another D in FA with Misa/Ritchie to fill in forward roles giving you a competitive top 6.

Xfactor is the new GM and his job security imo. Would a new GM on a 3 year contract want to bet his career on Schaefer who will take at least 3 years to make an impact (assuming 1-2 years to get to the league and several more to adjust vs the forward)? If New GM gets 5+ year deal, I can see higher % on for Schaefer. By the time Schaefer starts to help, Islanders contract is better but the GM will be under huge pressure and unlikely to last imo. Realistically, I see the new GM seeing his hands are tied and select Misa to compete sooner and resign Dobson long term and the Sharks get their guy in Schaefer without trading up. Hard to speculate without a GM in place.

Ideally you can trade down for extra prospects and take a forward though. But based on this, SJ is less likely to give more than Chicago since the consensus seems to have larger gap between top 2 and field but Hagens at 3 would be obviously great fit for your team as you compete for PO to keep fans engaged. Just my 2cent brainstorming.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Are you mad because I was sarcastic or because I called your OP terrible?

The OP is his brother