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Proposal: 1st OA for 2nd OA

At the most, I would add the Dallas 1st or Chernyshov to the 2OA to move up to 1. There is no way, I'm adding Eklund. Eklund could well be trade bait at some point, but not for this return. Schaefer would be a great fit on the Sharks, but Eklund+Misa > Schaefer. Eklund is the only established top 6 guy we have other than Celebrini and it would be silly to get rid of him, when we need more top 6 forwards.
 
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gary559 said:
History has proven you always need to overpay to move up in the draft
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Are you sure about that? Because that's not what history shows when you actually look at it:
DaveG said:
this valuation is WAY off. The last time the #1 was traded it was to move down to #3 and that deal ended up only being the #3, a 2nd, and Mikael Samuelsson for the #1 and a 3rd. That's a lot closer to say Nikolai Kovalenko being the other piece coming from San Jose value wise.
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gary559 said:
History has proven you always need to overpay to move up in the draft
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the Sharks essentially traded 1OA in 1998 for 3OA and a 2nd rounder.

Chernyshov and Eklund are worth far more than a 2nd rounder.
 
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Skeksis25 said:
At the most, I would add the Dallas 1st or Chernyshov to the 2OA to move up to 1. There is no way, I'm adding Eklund. Eklund could well be trade bait at some point, but not for this return. Schaefer would be a great fit on the Sharks, but Eklund+Misa > Schaefer. Eklund is the only established top 6 guy we have other than Celebrini and it would be silly to get rid of him, when we need more top 6 forwards.
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Agreed. Other than maybe being willing to also take back a bad contract, I wouldn't add more than the Dallas 1st or Chernyshov. I rather take Misa and roll with it for anything significantly more.
 
Skeksis25 said:
At the most, I would add the Dallas 1st or Chernyshov to the 2OA to move up to 1. There is no way, I'm adding Eklund. Eklund could well be trade bait at some point, but not for this return. Schaefer would be a great fit on the Sharks, but Eklund+Misa > Schaefer. Eklund is the only established top 6 guy we have other than Celebrini and it would be silly to get rid of him, when we need more top 6 forwards.
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I wouldn’t even add Chernyshov. I’d gladly draft Misa and reunite the two. Dallas 1st is about the limit imo. Schaefer is ideal for SJ due to need but Misa has an elite 1C ceiling. It’s not that big of a gap.
 
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WSS11 said:
I wouldn’t even add Chernyshov. I’d gladly draft Misa and reunite the two. Dallas 1st is about the limit imo. Schaefer is ideal for SJ due to need but Misa has an elite 1C ceiling. It’s not that big of a gap.
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I would offer up the Dallas 1st and a B prospect like Halttunen to get it done. Definitely not Chernyshov. Gun to my head, I'd probably do Mukhamadullin much as I love him.
 
Juxtaposer said:
I would offer up the Dallas 1st and a B prospect like Halttunen to get it done. Definitely not Chernyshov. Gun to my head, I'd probably do Mukhamadullin much as I love him.
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I’m ok with a B prospect (Halts, Lund, Bystedt) but I wouldn’t include Muhk. I get Schaefer’s ceiling is incredibly high but we just are too thin at D to throw Muhk in there when he’s showing signs that he can be a very good top 4 dman. I’d take Misa at that point.
 
WSS11 said:
I’m ok with a B prospect (Halts, Lund, Bystedt) but I wouldn’t include Muhk. I get Schaefer’s ceiling is incredibly high but we just are too thin at D to throw Muhk in there when he’s showing signs that he can be a very good top 4 dman. I’d take Misa at that point.
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Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely hate to do it, but I would if that was what it took.
 
This year will be the 39th time I have followed the NHL draft. In that time I have learned this:

NHL scouts are lazy. But not nearly as lazy as people writing about the NHL draft.

I have never heard a scout go on record saying that this is not a good draft. It's always full of sure things and can't miss prospects.

When you read about these prospects, they will almost always say player x reminds them of whomever just had the best playoff series.

The years the draft is good, you have been hearing about the player who is number one for at least 2 years. If he's not a household name, there's a reason.

I hate the Islanders, but the truth is that they are not a single player away from contention, and even if they were, that player, IMO, is not in the board. They need alot of stuff. I would entertain trading this pick for as big a ransom as possible. It's found money. You weren't expecting it anyway. See if you can trade back and stay in the top 5. To me there's no clear front runner.

If not, take Hagens.
 
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The way the islanders fan are fantasizing about trading for the 2OA, maybe you should be paying the sharks for it. There is no guaranteed #1 like celebrini. MG already said he's not to the point of drafting for need and he'll take best available. Sharks will be happy to add Schaefer or Misa whomever falls to us. They are not paying a premium to get 1OA
 
BillR10 said:
The way the islanders fan are fantasizing about trading for the 2OA, maybe you should be paying the sharks for it.
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Okay, that's silly.

Basically the way this works is the Islanders play Chicago and SJ against each other. If SJ is just as happy with Misa or Schaefer, the deal can be with Chicago. As long as Chicago values Misa or Schaefer ahead of Hagens, they have incentive to make the deal.

After a day talking to people who have a lot of overlap in the local hockey community (I coach youth lacrosse- there's a lot of overlap) I didn't realize how much the sentiment is for drafting Hagens. Like, among the hardest of hardcore hockey people who are also the hardest or hardcore Islanders fans, it's a given *for them* that there's only one thing NYI can do.

Given the incentives, there's got to be a reasonable way to handle this where NYI can get Hagens + if that's the decision NYI make.

If, otoh, there's Chicago and SJ really don't care and are happy with whoever they get? Well, then there won't be any movement.
 
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I don't see much of a difference between Misa and Schaefer.

But NYI need more a center and SJ need more a defenseman like Schaefer.

I guess both Islanders 1st round pick (#2 and #28) could make it.
 
saintunspecified said:
Yeah, the two deals I thought of were these:

SJ - 2nd overall + Chernyshov for 1st overall
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SJ - 2nd overall+Dickinson for 1st overall+Dobson

I'm sure the latter needs tweaks, but I've thought crazier things.
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By Dickinson you mean Emily Dickinson right because downgrading Dobson and the pick for that offer is just horrid.
 
saintunspecified said:
Yeah, the two deals I thought of were these:

SJ - 2nd overall + Chernyshov for 1st overall
or
SJ - 2nd overall+Dickinson for 1st overall+Dobson

I'm sure the latter needs tweaks, but I've thought crazier things.
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I think they need to add a bit on the second one, but Cheryshov was putting up better numbers than Martone in the same league (albeit a year older of course). Would make sense to bring him and Misa in who obviously already fit well together
 
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