Pre-Game Talk: 1st Méchant Mardi - Minny visits

[FrankMTL]

What's that famous quote again?

Ah yes:.... "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results".

Or you can just do like Alex Burrows and continuously smash that square peg as hard as you can into that circle hole.

 

[Gillings]

What's that famous quote again?

Ah yes:.... "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results".

It just seems counterproductive to practice the PP against your own team.

Don’t these guys know how to play hockey, why not rely on instincts instead of some set play that DOESNT WORK?

 

[FrankMTL]

It just seems counterproductive to practice the PP against your own team.

Don’t these guys know how to play hockey, why not rely on instincts instead of some set play that DOESNT WORK?

Well our PK isn't very good either.....You'd think something has to give at that point lol.

 

[morhilane]

It just seems counterproductive to practice the PP against your own team.

Don’t these guys know how to play hockey, why not rely on instincts instead of some set play that DOESNT WORK?

PP is set plays in every teams.

Habs's problem are that they are shit at executing their own set plays, have like 3 in total so everyone knows what they will do and when they rely on instincts most of them can't even make/receive a pass properly so the play dies there.

 

[Rapala]

So what is Marty going to say about the special teams if they continue to suck. I'm glad there is a focus on it and they are actually trying to work on it. The issue coming to the fore early in the season will ultimately determine the fate of Burrows by the last whistle this year. Marty can give him all the support he wants but the bottom line has to determine the outcome as it should.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well our PK isn't very good either.....You'd think something has to give at that point lol.

Practicing your weak PP against a weak PK... I wonder which one looks better in practice?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Wish we would put Monahan as slafs C instead of Newhook

 

[Rapala]

PP is set plays in every teams.

Habs's problem are that they are shit at executing their own set plays, have like 3 in total so everyone knows what they will do and when they rely on instincts most of them can't even make/receive a pass properly so the play dies there.

This is where I disagree not about the execution but on set plays. I think if we look at what point on average a PP goal is scored it won't be very early on which would be the result of a set play. Good PP's are all about puck handling player movement and good read and react. The fact that we are so linear just makes it that much easier to defend. We won't have a good PP until we find a player who is comfortable playing the net front. We haven't really had anyone since Corey Perry left. The majority of PP goals are scored by breaking down or tiring the D which will open up lanes or by taking the eyes away from the goaltender. We don't do either particularly well. The natural odd man advantage will always be down low and the good power plays know how to exploit that. Our down low play is pathetic and we rarely see any three player execution.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

They don't move , that's the problem what's the point of the PP if everybody is just standing in place , everybody at their spot like its table hockey , franchement , maybe you don't need to move if you have a Marner a Backstrom or a Markov or Hedman who can really dish it around the ice to whoever they want whenever they want. We don't have a player like that so we need to MOVE to create some space out there.

This picure is infuriating , maybe try playing down on the goal line or something , We constantly opt for having two guys screen the goalie one in slot and one in high slot instead of rotating somebody down low for our Dman to have another passing option than the two wings. The worst part is we usually put our least talented forward in the high slot in these situations so you know if they even feed him in the high slot hes just going to put it on net not try for another lateral pass to create a defensive breakdown when the 3 opposing players around him converge on him

 

[Hannibal]

Would prefer to put Slaf with Suzuki and Caufield than have him stuck with Anderson.

With Dach out, the main concerned for the season should be put Slaf in a place to gain confidence. Won’t happen with Anderson.

 

[expy]

They don't move , that's the problem what's the point of the PP if everybody is just standing in place , everybody at their spot like its table hockey , franchement , maybe you don't need to move if you have a Marner a Backstrom or a Markov or Hedman who can really dish it around the ice to whoever they want whenever they want. We don't have a player like that so we need to MOVE to create some space out there.
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This picure is infuriating , maybe try playing down on the goal line or something , We constantly opt for having two guys screen the goalie one in slot and one in high slot instead of rotating somebody down low for our Dman to have another passing option than the two wings. The worst part is we usually put our least talented forward in the high slot in these situations so you know if they even feed him in the high slot hes just going to put it on net not try for another lateral pass to create a defensive breakdown when the 3 opposing players around him converge on him

Gotta #FireBurrows.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In terms of faceoffs, Wild are not a team that are good in this area. Ranked 26th at the moment and the Habs are 2nd. It's early but the Habs should get a good share of puck possession after the faceoffs in this game.

Would prefer to put Slaf with Suzuki and Caufield than have him stuck with Anderson.

With Dach out, the main concerned for the season should be put Slaf in a place to gain confidence. Won’t happen with Anderson.

I'm a Anderson supporter but I agree with you on this. Anderson's lack of vision is not a good line-mate for Slaf.

Slaf ends up with Newhook at center which posses challenges. Anderson with them creates issues overall. We will see how this ends up against the Wild. They really don't have a scary roster and they have issues up the middle as well.

 

[Tyson]

The Wild play a heavy game and always physically own the Habs. The Habs inability to beat these guys year after year is weird. Players move on, a new group comes in and the results don't change. I have zero confidence that the Habs win this game.

In terms of faceoffs, Wild are not a team that are good in this area. Ranked 26th at the moment and the Habs are 2nd. It's early but the Habs should get a good share of puck possession after the faceoffs in this game.



I'm a Anderson supporter but I agree with you on this. Anderson's lack of vision is not a good line-mate for Slaf.

Slaf ends up with Newhook at center which posses challenges. Anderson with them creates issues overall. We will see how this ends up against the Wild. They really don't have a scary roster and they have issues up the middle as well.

Maybe that 1OA pick needs to slowly start playing like a 1OA and makes his linemates better. I know he is young but he needs to start showing glimpses of potential.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The Habs PP trying to be like the Leafs/Oilers =

 

[the]

The pre game video packages certainly don't hype you up for games like they used to.

 

[Tyson]

Any opinions on the 2 pretty underwhelming games from Jordan Harris? Does Justin Barron continue to sit?

 

[expy]

Any opinions on the 2 pretty underwhelming games from Jordan Harris? Does Justin Barron continue to sit?

Barron shouldn't play unless someone is hurt.

 

[Tyson]

Barron shouldn't play unless someone is hurt.

So at 21 he is done and has no future with the Habs?

 

[the valiant effort]

They don't move , that's the problem what's the point of the PP if everybody is just standing in place , everybody at their spot like its table hockey , franchement , maybe you don't need to move if you have a Marner a Backstrom or a Markov or Hedman who can really dish it around the ice to whoever they want whenever they want. We don't have a player like that so we need to MOVE to create some space out there.
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This picure is infuriating , maybe try playing down on the goal line or something , We constantly opt for having two guys screen the goalie one in slot and one in high slot instead of rotating somebody down low for our Dman to have another passing option than the two wings. The worst part is we usually put our least talented forward in the high slot in these situations so you know if they even feed him in the high slot hes just going to put it on net not try for another lateral pass to create a defensive breakdown when the 3 opposing players around him converge on him

Sometimes Caufield/Suzuki/point man do a 3 man weave up top...in slow motion while not moving the puck

 

[Rapala]

Slap a line up on add start times and broadcasts to this thread and we have our first "Mechant Mardi" GDT

 

[CHfan1]

 

[Tyson]

He is the best of the 3 but something has to give with carrying 3 goalies

 

[morhilane]

When will Primeau play???? Kid need to play. Trade him otherwise.

 

[bcv]

Would prefer to put Slaf with Suzuki and Caufield than have him stuck with Anderson.

With Dach out, the main concerned for the season should be put Slaf in a place to gain confidence. Won’t happen with Anderson.

RHP - Suzu - Anderson was playing well together last, I would revisit that combo.

RHP - Suzuki - Anderson
CC - Newhook - Slaf
Pearson - Monahan - Ylonen
Pezz - Evans - Gally

 

[LaP]

They don't move , that's the problem

The problem is they don't have a quaterback. None of our defense men should be playing on a first PP wave in the NHL atm. PP starts from the back. If the start is wrong then the rest will be wrong too. You also need a shot from the back and/or a guy able to sneak in. Our PP under Markov was always one of the best and it was mainly because of Markov not because of the coaches or the forwards.

PP under prime Markov :

2002-03 : 14% (25th in the league)
2003-04 : 17.2% (10th - Markov is young and not used as the main guy on the first wave yet he is 3rd for TOI on the PP by a dman)
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2005-06 : 19.2% (5th in the league - Markov first productive season on the first wave)
2006-07 : 22.8% (1st)
2007-08 : 24.1% (1st)
2008-09 : 19.3% (13rd - not sure what happened)
2009-10 : 21.8% (2nd)
2010-11 : 19.7% (7th - Subban first season Markov played only 7 games)
2011-12 : 14.3% (28th - Markov played 13 games only and Subban had a down year in term of goals in his sophomore season)
2012-13 : 20.7% (5th)
2013-14 : 17.2% (19th)
2014-15 : 16.5% (23rd Markov is 35 and slowly aging)
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2015-16 : 16.2% (25th - Markov is not in his prime anymore)
2016-17 : 19.7% (13rd - Old Markov and Weber)

After that we hovered in the middle of the pack for a few years under Weber/Petry and we are here today. We also had great "sidekicks" back then in Souray, Petry, Streit, Hamrlik .... The first priority of KH if Reinbacher doesn't develop as a good PP quaterback will be to acquire one.